WAS OBAMA GIVEN A CERTIFICATE NUMBER WHICH HAD BELONGED TO SOMEONE ELSE?

The Post & Email ^ | Aug. 21, 2010 | Sharon Rondeau

[Corazon]

WAS OBAMA GIVEN A CERTIFICATE NUMBER WHICH HAD BELONGED TO SOMEONE ELSE? by Sharon Rondeau In June, The Post & Email solicited funds for its Legal Defense Fund for a specific research project focusing on details and discrepancies surrounding Obama’s alleged birth in Hawaii. Many of our readers were very generous with their donations, including one who put forth a “matching grant” challenge which was met and even surpassed. With the help of a private donor, The Post & Email was able to fund an investigative journey to Hawaii for an experienced researcher. The results of the investigation follow in the researcher’s own words.........

[Corazon]

The Sunday Advertiser August 13, 1961

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/7558/obama1961birthannouncemcr9.png

Samuel K. Haae born August 4, 1961, and died July 6, 1963

http://files.usgwarchives.net/hi/hawaii/cemeteries/stbenedict.txt

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/08/21/results-of-investigation-made-possible-by-donors-to-the-post-email-legal-fund/

WAS OBAMA GIVEN A CERTIFICATE NUMBER WHICH HAD BELONGED TO SOMEONE ELSE?

by Sharon Rondeau

The Dunhams were found in the Polk's Directory as residing in Honolulu from sometime in 1960 forward

(Aug. 21, 2010) — In June, The Post & Email solicited funds for its Legal Defense Fund for a specific research project focusing on details and discrepancies surrounding Obama’s alleged birth in Hawaii. Many of our readers were very generous with their donations, including one who put forth a “matching grant” challenge which was met and even surpassed. With the help of a private donor, The Post & Email was able to fund an investigative journey to Hawaii for an experienced researcher. The results of the investigation follow in the researcher’s own words........

........ RESEARCHER: Yes, I think it was just to help people out. I think it’s safe to say that I’m not the only person who has gone into the Department of Health looking for Mr. Obama’s index data.

After that, because of some information that I had obtained from another researcher, I began another leg of my investigation. There is speculation that because Mr. Obama has a certificate number that is higher than the Nordyke twins who were born on August 5, 1961 at Kapiolani Women and Children’s Hospital, yet their births were registered on August 11, 1961, three days after Mr. Obama’s was allegedly registered and that he is using the certificate number of another infant born within a certain date range and registered on August 11th which was a Friday and no later than Monday, August 14th. It depends on what time of the day the Nordyke twins’ birth certificates were processed; the certificate number that Mr. Obama was allegedly assigned was likely assigned the same day as the Nordykes’.

MRS. RONDEAU: What is the relationship between the certificate number of the Nordykes and the number on the FactCheck-Obama document online?

RESEARCHER: The Nordyke twins’ birth certificate numbers are either 151-1961-010636/37 or 151-1961-010638/39, because only one of the twins’ birth certificates is posted online and that was the one identified with the certificate number 010638. Mr. Obama’s certificate was allegedly processed on August 8th and has the number 010641, which is no more than two or three numbers higher than the one Nordyke twin certificate number. I have confirmation from the DoH in response to UIPA requests I made last winter that the numbers were not preprinted on the form. The numbers were assigned by the Department of Health when the birth registration was accepted by the State Registrar, and only in the DoH main office located in Honolulu.

MRS. RONDEAU: So as a birth occurred and the information reached the Department of Health, a number was assigned.

RESEARCHER: Yes, and I believe that regardless of the actual birth date, they just assigned the next sequential number when the birth registration was processed. I don’t think there is necessarily any attempt on their part to order them by birth date.

MRS. RONDEAU: Is there any other information that you think our readers would like to know about?

RESEARCHER: I think that is a significant anomaly. Based on the information that’s been gathered thus far and the procedures used by the Department of Health during this time period, I just don’t think that it’s feasible that Mr. Obama’s certificate number could possibly be three or four numbers higher and accepted three days earlier than those of the Nordyke twins, which leads me to believe that that number belongs to another person and in all likelihood, it could belong to the infant or young child that was born within a certain date range whose birth was registered on August 11th that later died shortly after the birth or within a couple of years. I really can’t elaborate beyond that since there is still ongoing research to see if we can identify the person certificate number 010641 could possibly belong to. We’re trying to obtain some official HI documents that will aid in our research with the generous help of The Post & Email Legal Fund and its donors......

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[ilovesarah2012]

If there was proof positive tomorrow that Obama was not born in the US, what would happen? Nothing.

[FrdmLvr]

Oh WHY do you have to ask so many questions? Why can’t you just take our word for it and then GO AWAY! You’re messing up everything with your incessant investigating. /sarc

[tractorman]

When will the truth finally drip out?

[Fractal Trader]

ping

[kabar]

If there was proof positive tomorrow that Obama was not born in the US, what would happen?

If there were indisputable proof, all hell would break loose. We would have a constitutional crisis, which is why the ruling class would like to ignore it and marginalize anyone who even brings it up. Proof positive would generate an earthquake and destroy any credibility that Obama has left.

[hope_dies_last]

The truth not only has dripped, it has been a strong torrent for some time now ...but the truth has been landing on deaf ears.

The Obama-experiment’s co-conspirators and underwriters will stop at nothing to cover the sun with their pinky.

[hope_dies_last]

The truth not only has dripped, it has been a strong torrent for some time now ...but the truth has been landing on deaf ears.

The Obama-experiment’s co-conspirators and underwriters will stop at nothing to cover the sun with their pinky.

[luvbach1]

Don’t tell me identity theft on top of everything else!!

[barbarianbabs]

undocumented worker

[hope_dies_last]

Okay, so I’m guilty of the notorious ‘double-post’

oops!

[hope_dies_last]

Okay, so I’m guilty of the notorious ‘double-post’

oops!

[LucyT]

[combat_boots]

I ask you to pray, with me.......

in the name of Jesus, I command 0bama and his supporters to come out and proclaim 0bama as Muslim and to reveal his foreign-born status. In the next 2 months and before the election.

God, please send before them angels that Make them tell the truth and show the documents.

Dear Lord, may they each and all be even more and more of who they are, and reveal their vices before us unawares and in plain view, on air, in speeches, in their actions and meetings. And may the world witness this.

Amen.

[MortMan]

That was ironic.

[hoosiermama]

FYI

[hoosiermama]

FR was doing weird things...Took forever for my post to make it here.

[righttackle44]

If there was proof positive tomorrow that Obama was not
born in the US, what would happen? Nothing.

Are you kidding? What would happen? For one thing, the
Kenyan Thug would be off the 2012 ballot. The Democrats
would have a lot of explaning to do, Lucy. (And so would
the Republicans if it is true that there are many persons
in Washington, DC, who know that Obama is serving illegally
yet are keeping their mouths shut.)

But the credibility of the Democrats and the mainstream
press would take the hardest hits.

Now I know that many Conservatives have little or no
patience. And I know that some Conservatives love to
claim that the MSM and Democrats are so in charge that
nothing ever hurts them. But give the American people
some credit. We will prevail.

[eCSMaster]

S’alright. We forgive you.

[eCSMaster]

S’alright. We forgive you.

[OneWingedShark]

Not only that, it would utterly discredit the Legislature (who took no action in validating the qualifications of the candidates selected by the electoral college) and the Judiciary (who denied 'standing' to EVERYONE who previously brought the matter up) and the STATE governments (who did not ensure the qualifications of the candidates they put on-ballot)... IOW it would be a major shit-storm that should, in all honesty, cost a LOT of [political and bureaucratic] people their fortunes, 'honor'/good-repute, and LIVES. Two national-level laws that apply here are as follows:

U.S. CODE, TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 13, § 241: Conspiracy against rights

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES: Treason

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Imprisonment is, for intents and purposes, kidnapping in this sense; this means that the former allows people like LTC Larkin who have had their rights abridged and been imprisoned for it CAN demand their captors put to death. The latter is a bit more subtle, but if one accepts the invalidation of the integrity of ALL THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT as giving aid and comfort to America's enemies then it would be obvious that a LOT of congressmen, congressional aides, state officials/bureaucrats, federal agents, judges (even those of the supreme court) would be eligible for, as penalty for their treason, death.

IOW, virtually EVERY government official has some interest in seeing this issue stay 'buried.'

[kidd]

Doesn't seem to offer much proof or suspicion of anything.

"I believe that regardless of the actual birth date, they just assigned the next sequential number when the birth registration was processed. I don’t think there is necessarily any attempt on their part to order them by birth date."

There are a number of explanations that explain this. The Registrar simply assigned the numbers to the birth registrations as he/she pulled them out of their in-basket.

[ilovesarah2012]

The courts have already showed whose side they are on in this. Do you really believe he would be impeached? I don’t. As for being on the 2012 ballot, I don’t think he will run anyway. Too hard a job. He has his place in history. That’s what he wanted.

FUBO

[Natural Born 54]

I see butterdezillion all over this. She’s done some brilliant and brave work on this subject. Thanks butter!

[mojitojoe]

To hell with microfilm, real copies of that paper on that day will prove that there was another name there and Obama’s was fraudulently inserted into the microfilm. No point in exposing it now, he won’t be removed because they will just blame the microfilm tampering on someone else. It should be used closer to 2012 to make sure he is NOT re-elected.

The Supreme Court may be Nancy’s and won’t touch it so expose the truth and let the court of public opinion decide and they WILL decide to kick this fraud out of the WH. Hopefully he will slink away in shame and seek exile in another country. Probably Spain as he tries to build a palace bigger and better than the the Saudis
next door.

tick tock, the clock is ticking on this fraud.

[mojitojoe]

Do you really believe he would be impeached

______________

No, not unless the FBI turns against him and exposes him.

[TexasCajun]

Sooner or later State Media will have to report what they know to save any credibility that might still have.

[Leo Carpathian]

Time to put up billboards, wear bumper stickers and Tee shirts with variations of: “Where were you born?” “Got BC?” “Impeach Kenyan”, etc.

[Uncle Chip]

IOW, virtually EVERY government official has some interest in seeing this issue stay 'buried.'

YEP --

Which is why We the People need to continue uncover the dirty truth here and expose it to the light of day so that our land can be cleansed of the evil perpetrated upon it by this Ruling Class.

[DrC]

This ‘investigator’ is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

“I made two observations: that there is a person who appears in the index directly above Mr. Obama which was identified as “duplicate;” however, there was only one entry for this birth, not two, as it seemed to suggest in reference to the “duplicate” marker.”

Immediately above Obama’s name in the index is Obado, Duplicate MAE and immediately above that is Obado, Dolleen Bergonia. In the Gender column at the far right, Obama’s entry has M, but the Dolleen Obado entry has F and so does the Duplicate MAE Obado entry. Thus, to any impartial observer, it would appear far more likely that this “duplicate” entry relates to Dolleen Obado than to Barack Obama. Else how can the female gender assigned to the “duplicate” entry be explained?

The investigator’s speculation that someone inadvertently inserted Obama’s name into the index, wiping out a legitimate record name instead of correctly wiping out the duplicate record seems very far-fetched. It is a rather transparent effort to bend facts to a preconceived theory rather than interpret the facts more straightforwardly and see if these match up with any Obama birth theory.

MAE is an acronym for many terms. “Moves all extremities” might plausibly fit here, as it is a hospital term. Perhaps this infant was a twin of Dolleen’s but born with a birth defect. Parents never named it perhaps because it was obvious it would die; if so, MAE possibly could have been a code used to differentiate this birth from a stillborn. Clearly, this is nothing more than speculation on my part. Perhaps someone with obstetrical/hospital knowledge could weigh in.

[kidd]

Not a very good researcher either.

It is pretty easy to find that the Nordyke twins had numbers 10637 and 10638.

But the “researcher” in the article wasn’t sure.

[Erasmus]

Hmmm....

Are those posts in date/time, or serial number order?

[Uncle Chip]

ping to your territory.

[Nachum]

The list, ping

[Red Steel]

The Researcher - "I made two observations: that there is a person who appears in the index directly above Mr. Obama which was identified as “duplicate;” however, there was only one entry for this birth, not two, as it seemed to suggest in reference to the “duplicate” marker. There was also another anomaly that I observed about the 1960-1964 index in general that I am not going to disclose at this time."

Reseacher - "Yes. [About Obama's name being put in after the fact ] I think that’s possible; I believe that if the Department of Health did that, it made an error by replacing the wrong name. Instead of replacing the “duplicate” name, they actual replaced the one that was not identified as “duplicate.” "

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Mojo, here is the proof of evidence that Hawaii is covering for Obama - the usurper.

[mojitojoe]

. There was also another anomaly that I observed about the 1960-1964 index in general that I am not going to disclose at this time.”
____________________

It’s all coming together now. :)

[mojitojoe]

OR maybe his name was supposed to be inserted where the dead childs name was but someone screwed it up. Just sit tight, closer to 2012 it will all come together. I can assure you that anything that appears on the internet it there for a reason, bait. The really damning evidence is all being collected and put together behind the scenes by people that know what they are doing. At the right time, it will be presented and not a moment before.

[mojitojoe]

This ‘investigator’ is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
_______________________
LOL. or is that what he wants them to think?

[Red Steel]

It is always one more “anomaly” with Obama after the next and it keeps on going which seems forever. Way toooooo much BS piling that explains it all as coincidences, innocuous anomalies, and other assorted twists of spin.

[mojitojoe]

Their side isn’t the only one doing the spin. Spin works for us too, keep them on the wrong track that way they haven’t a clue what the relevant things are that have been found and are being put together. They will never see that on the internet. What is put on the internet is there to mess with their minds. It’s brilliant and funny.

[tractorman]

Every day I pray the same.
May the Lord bless you my FRiend

[The Comedian]

Hawaiian-Plains-Drifter ping.

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

[LorenC]

“Samuel K. Haae born August 4, 1961, and died July 6, 1963”

So let me see if I have you right:

Obama’s number is higher than the Nordykes’ numbers.

You find this suspicious because Obama was born on August 4, and the Nordykes were born on August 5.

You hypothesize that Obama’s number actually belongs to someone else.

And the “someone else” you’ve identified was...born on August 4, just like Obama.

How is this even remotely internally consistent with your initial hypothesis?

[Non-Sequitur]

If there was proof positive tomorrow that Obama was not born in the US, what would happen?

Pigs would fly, hell would freeze, and Joe Biden would be president.

[little jeremiah]

Arguing from the future; not a good tactic.

Actually, IMO the reverse would happen. It would free a lot of people who have been silent because there is not a “smoking gun”.

When the dam breaks, there’ll be action like you can’t believe, IMO.

[phockthis]

sfl

[IceAge]

So do you think Michelle was in Spain picking our the drapes for that castle? Ooppps, wrong again, excuse me, that was just the dress she was wearing....
That trip of hers was strange.

[PoloSec]

“Way toooooo much BS piling that explains it all as coincidences, innocuous anomalies, and other assorted twists of spin.”

Exactly... Preponderance of Evidence

[LorenC]

It is always one more “anomaly” with Obama after the next and it keeps on going which seems forever. Way toooooo much BS piling that explains it all as coincidences, innocuous anomalies, and other assorted twists of spin.

Judge: "Mr. Hutz, we've been in here for four hours. Do you have any evidence at all?"

Lionel Hutz: "Well, Your Honor, we've plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are kinds of evidence."

[MamaDearest]

Bingo - that would be politicians, media and the court system. This issue is NOT going away and Obama himself can, in a heartbeat, provide Americans with personal information about himself rather than keep it in a tightly secured location that is costing him millions of dollars. It makes no logical sense at all why his personal documents are verboten - it raises serious questions and curiosity that is ever-increasing, not diminishing as media and those in power would prefer.

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Snip; Saturday June 14, 2008 Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.