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Hard truths to consider about college
Waterloo Courier ^ | August 22, 2010 | Dennis Clayson

Posted on 08/27/2010 9:04:28 PM PDT by iowamark

School begins for many this week, and there are some hard truths about higher education that few wish to explore, let alone acknowledge.

1. Not everyone should go to college. Getting a higher education can be a marvelous experience, but it's just not for everyone.

I know of no country that attempts to educate everyone at this level. College was originally designed for students who are at least a standard deviation in academic aptitude above the mean. That eliminates all but about 16 percent of the population, and then a lot of those folks are wasting their time and money at a university.

John is a brighter than average high school student, but is not at the top of his class. He is good with his hands and understands how things work. His parents send him to college to become a lawyer.

He is in the bottom 20 percent of his law class. He graduates with an immense debt load and is considered to be a poor lawyer. He doesn't get much respect.

Suppose instead that John goes to a trade school to become a repairman. He is in the top 20 percent of this group. John the Repairman is highly respected. He has almost no debt, and he makes more money than John the Lawyer.

As an added bonus, society is in need of good repair persons, but we have no need for more bad lawyers.

2. Getting a college degree doesn't mean that you know anything. Modern universities don't require that students be knowledgeable to graduate. This sounds odd and administrators and teachers would claim that it is not true, but ask a simple question: What does a student need to know from a university to be allowed to graduate?

The answer is "nothing."

Students are required to complete a number of tasks. There is a long list of requirements. If they check each one off, they graduate. Students will work hard for grades; they will not necessarily work hard to know something. Modern schools have disassociated the two. Students memorize material, regurgitate it on an exam, and go their way.

Many students graduate knowing next to nothing. Don't take my word for it. I have been challenging my colleagues to test their students for years. I would love to be wrong on this, but ...

3. Grades don't reflect reality. There are entire areas of universities that give an automatic A to everyone unless they do poorly, and then they are given an A-minus. Much of this results from the improper use of student evaluations of teaching. Having students rate teachers is not a bad idea in itself, but it has evolved into a counter-productive travesty.

Imagine that at your workplace, several times every year, people you associate with are asked to fill out a questionnaire about you. They will remain anonymous and can say anything they wish. Management admits that it doesn't know what the surveys actually measure, but you will be denied merit pay, and perhaps even fired if your scores are low.

That in a nutshell is how universities use student evaluations.

Critics, and some supporters, maintain that the only reason that this system is maintained is administrative sloth and student crowd control.

Universities are essentially demanding that professors be well-liked by their students or they will be punished. Students are students because they don't know what they should know. The bottom line is that the evaluation system has resulted in grade inflation and a corresponding reduction in what students actually know.

Research over the last 10 years from all across the U.S. has consistently shown that teachers who get higher student evaluations produce students who tend to do more poorly in subsequent classes.

4. Like the housing market bubble, we may be approaching an education bubble. Paying a lot for an education makes sense if the returns are greater, but the cost of education is rising faster than the benefits. This has serious implications, which I will address in a forthcoming column.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; History; Society
KEYWORDS: academia; college; dennisclayson; education; highereducation
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Dennis Clayson is a Marketing Professor at the University of Northern Iowa.
1 posted on 08/27/2010 9:04:30 PM PDT by iowamark
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Look at the two worthless turds in the whitehouse there is no way they could make it in the completion that ruled the 50’s so we are called names and then have to pay for something on the level of a Idiot to sit in College.
2 posted on 08/27/2010 9:10:53 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: iowamark

I have read that only 25% of the population has college degrees. I would agree that it’s not for everyone, especially the hard subjects. I’m an economist, but I don’t think I’d make a great M.D. On the other hand, I’ve met people with PHDs that were dumb as rocks. :-/


3 posted on 08/27/2010 9:11:01 PM PDT by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Combat Economist.)
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To: iowamark

The real hard truth about college is that States are wasting money subsidizing college. No proof that the investment is worth it.

State schools should be phased into self sustaining businesses.


4 posted on 08/27/2010 9:14:35 PM PDT by updatedscreenname
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To: updatedscreenname
State schools should be phased into self sustaining businesses.

Never happen. They'd sink in 5 years. (Wouldn't be such a bad thing even so!)

5 posted on 08/27/2010 9:19:02 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: iowamark

I really can’t argue with much here. Better schools are careful about teacher evaluations. One of the best tracked us for two years after graduation and asked us to do evaluations to compare against the current class results. Often, that hard-nosed professor that makes you work to earn a “B” and really work to earn an “A” provides the most valuable real life lesson.


6 posted on 08/27/2010 9:19:02 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: iowamark
It's funny, I still have my college books, but when I talk to people about their college time and the subjects they took, their eyes glaze over.

Almost always college for people devolves to a line on a resume and a penchant for a particular sports team- plus the insufferable belief in one’s own intellectual superiority.

It's why I like books and my dogs and gardening. People are great in theory, but come up short in reality.

7 posted on 08/27/2010 9:24:57 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: iowamark
There are entire areas of universities that give an automatic A to everyone unless they do poorly, and then they are given an A-minus. Much of this results from the improper use of student evaluations of teaching.

I gave an D or F to 30% of my sophomore engineering class last semester. I also have yet to bother to read the short synopsis of student evals I got tossed in my mailbox. My boss doesn't read his either.

I teach in an engineering college that has standards to uphold.

8 posted on 08/27/2010 9:31:29 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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The author claims college was designed for those one standard deviation above the mean in academic aptitude -- that's about 16% of the population. If 25% of the US population holds a college degree, that means 36% of those holding degrees, 1-0.16/0.25, were not qualified to go to college, at least as college was initially designed. That means that college has been dumbed down to accomodate the unqualified. Anyone who routinely hires college graduates is likely to agree that such graduates aren't what they used to be.

Don't forget the large number of kids who go to college but don't graduate. I imagine a significant portion of overinflated college costs go to social programs on campus to help unqualified students try to stay in college. By enticing those who are not qualified to go to college is an evil perpetrated by our society on those victims.

9 posted on 08/27/2010 9:34:55 PM PDT by skookum55 ("Why is the market going down? Because communism isn't bullish." Unknown trader, CNBC, July 2010.)
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You have the mistaken belief that getting a PhD means you should be gaining intelligence in all areas and that you are as dumb as a bag of rocks if you aren't. Intelligence is God-given. Having a PhD doesn't mean you are necessarily smart about everything. It means you know are very familiar with all of the published information about a selected topic. I would say only about 1 in 50 PhDs have broad intelligence and these are mostly in the sciences, but there are also real idiots in the sciences as well. The majority with PhDs are just regular folks who continued to specialize in their career.
10 posted on 08/27/2010 9:35:11 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: iowamark

Many people would profit more from college at 30 than at 18.


11 posted on 08/27/2010 9:38:46 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: skookum55

many colleges admir kids who they know will not make the cut, intellectually or emotionally. They just take their money and let them sink. .Just cashcows.


12 posted on 08/27/2010 9:41:51 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Last Dakotan

And as you know, a huge proportion of degrees are in education/psychology. Engineering is a vocation. Most degrees don’t lead directly to a vocation.


13 posted on 08/27/2010 9:45:24 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: iowamark
This is simply more government intervention distorting the marketplace, which will lead to disastrous results if it isn't changed. Currently the Fed is dumping something like 30 billion into student loans/lending. This creates a huge distortion and doesn't encourage schools to spend wisely. JUST like pushing easy money into the housing market lead to a bubble in that sector of our economy. The numbers are startling. If you look at other government interventions in the market place you find the same result.

  -Founding Ideals

14 posted on 08/27/2010 9:46:18 PM PDT by agee
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I just started college for the Second time. The last time I went I was 17,I am taking the same thing this time because all I did before was party. I will be 49 years old next month.


15 posted on 08/27/2010 9:59:36 PM PDT by Hotmetal (Support the castle, defend the flag. 858TH Engineering Battalion)
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To: iowamark
John is a brighter than average high school student, but is not at the top of his class. He is good with his hands and understands how things work. His parents send him to college to become a lawyer.

On the other hand, John may make a brilliant lawyer. Being good with your hands indicates intelligence and creativity.

There are plenty of reasons John might not seem optimal at the moment. Maybe he's got a wild hair up his butt, raging hormones, immaturity, lack of background experience, lack of self discipline, emotional trauma, emotional instability-- to name a few. But he can grow out of these impediments.

History is full of examples of less than stellar students who excelled. Tommy Franks, for example, flunked out of college-- that's why he went into the army.

How would tracking these lackluster students into some union dominated trade, and keep in mind that they have their socializing and training systems, be any better?

It's not whether or not they to college, but when they go.

16 posted on 08/27/2010 10:12:18 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: Hotmetal

There was something in Goldwater’s suggestion of UMT. Of course, draftees were often the despair of drill sergeants. But a lot of boys learned that they had a lot of growing up to do, and fast.


17 posted on 08/27/2010 10:12:20 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: iowamark

I taught with Dennis for 20+ years before I retired from the College of Business at UNI. Always got along great with him. We had many an interesting conversation in the hallways of the business building. Smart man, very conservative.


18 posted on 08/27/2010 10:12:35 PM PDT by elisheba
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To: iowamark

I have to agree. I failed out of college for three consecutive semesters. Had I succeeded, I would be a lousy engineer. I was a used car salesman, worked my way upo to GM and now I work for a bank. College isn’t everything.


19 posted on 08/27/2010 10:32:15 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism-Steve Hamel.)
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To: Hotmetal

I just started college for the second time-

Good for you. I paid my matriculation fee the day I turned 47, to get a degree. Raised my family first- glad I did it and even with all the politics I would go it again in a heart beat.


20 posted on 08/27/2010 11:18:03 PM PDT by handmade
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