Posted on 08/30/2010 1:55:07 PM PDT by RnMomof7
Beck isn’t the problem. He’s an entrepreneur, he’s brilliant, and, hats off to him, he knows his market. Latter-day Saints have every right to speak, with full religious liberty, in the public square. I’m quite willing to work with Mormons on various issues, as citizens working for the common good.
What concerns me here is not what this says about Beck or the “Tea Party” ......... What concerns me is about what this says about the Christian churches in the United States.
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In order to be this gullible, American Christians have had to endure years of vacuous talk about undefined “revival” and “turning America back to God” that was less about anything uniquely Christian than about, at best, a generically theistic civil religion and, at worst, some partisan political movement.
Rather than cultivating a Christian vision of justice and the common good (which would have, by necessity, been nuanced enough to put us sometimes at odds with our political allies), we’ve relied on populist God-and-country sloganeering and outrage-generating talking heads. We’ve tolerated heresy and buffoonery in our leadership as long as with it there is sufficient political “conservatism” and a sufficient commercial venue to sell our books and products...
There is a liberation theology of the Left, and there is also a liberation theology of the Right, and both are at heart mammon worship. The liberation theology of the Left often wants a Barabbas, to fight off the oppressors as though our ultimate problem were the reign of Rome and not the reign of death. The liberation theology of the Right wants a golden calf, to represent religion and to remind us of all the economic security we had in Egypt. Both want a Caesar or a Pharaoh, not a Messiah.
(Excerpt) Read more at theaquilareport.com ...
I pray for revival in the U.S. quite frequently. When I pray for that, God knows what a right revival would look like. I don’t have to pray the details.
since yesterday all I have heard is how he is Mormon. so what?
How about the millions raised, the hundreds of thousands who went and how many watched , supported or what the far lefts messiah said.
Quite frankly I am not gong to play the lefts game and his religion
The biggest issue that I have with Beck - and it’s not really an issue, more of a concern really - is that he’s preaching to the choir. For “America” - a land of 350 million people - to turn back to God it would require a real revival...one which involved more people who weren’t in church on Sunday than were.
I see nothing to indicate that such an event is taking place.
Ping
What do you call this last weekend? A lot of people noticed. A lot of people who aren’t religious. If getting out there every day isn’t do it, then what would do it? Revival is what we need, however it gets done.
When we pretend that all gods are equal we diminish the name of the ONE True God.. maybe some men don’t care much about that but trust me God does
I see nothing to indicate that such an event is taking place.
Okay. What are you doing about it?
My problem is with what scripture tells us..
2 Corth 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Beck has a different god.. the revival that Christians desire, a return to the Gospel, the Christ of scripture is not the same revival that Beck wants
#1, Right off the bat, Beck provides the Mormon narrative -- but in a broad enough way where what he said could also be references to how we treated slaves and Native Americans in our early country's history.
At the 2:18 mark, Beck says: "For too long this country has wandered in darkness and we have wandered in darkness in periods from the beginning."
Somebody needs to ask Beck point blank what "darkness" he was talking about right "from the beginning" of this country:
Hey, Glenn: Were you talking about slavery?
Our treatment of Native Americans?
The so-called "lost gospel" of Christianity til 1830? (All three?)
You see, per Mormonism, whatever light was emerging in the 1770s was a mere "set-up" so that over 50 years later Smith could proclaim his "restored gospel." (IOW the primary purpose American freedom served was so that Smith could proclaim his version of the gospel)
The phrase Mormons and Mormon Missionaries use to describe this supposed complete darkness from the 1770s to the 1820s was a "universal apostasy." Until 1830, says Mormons, the darkness of Christian apostasy was the supposed order of the day.
Glenn Beck three minutes into his speech:
At the 3:00 to 3:05 mark, where were the alarms going off in minds engaged in critical thinking when Beck jumped off his Mormon diving board?
Note several things as you read the following: What Beck says next applies to B.C. times (not A.D. Mayflower days, although yes, he then references the pilgrims). And, yes, although Christians interpret themselves to also be God's "chosen" people, Beck uses the term "chosen people" to reference the Jews. B.C. Jews.
Beck: "5,000 years ago, on the other side of the planet, God's chosen people were led out of bondage by a guy with a stick who was talking to a burning bush. Man first began to recognize God & God's law. The chosen people listened to the Lord."
With Beck's very next sentences comes the Mormon narrative: "At the same time those things were happening on THIS side. On THIS land. Another group of people were gathered here, and they, too, were listening to God. How these two people were brought together again happened because people were listening to God."
OK, quiz, class. What two groups of people was Beck referencing in this speech BEFORE he moved on to later history and the pilgrims?
(a) God's chosen people in the East -- those who followed Moses and God's Law.
(b) Native Americans
And per Beck, did these two groups come together? Beck: "How these two people were brought together again happened because people were listening to God."
Now class, what source teaches this? That the Jews & Native Americans came together to listen to God's Word in B.C. Americas? That's right. If you're usin' your critical thinking skills -- The Book of Mormon.
Just to emphasize, so that you don't get confused when Beck fast-forwarded to talking about the pilgrims: What two other dynamics did "Professorial Chalkboard" Beck describe at the rally in his version of "history":
(1) It was the "same time" (same B.C. era) as Moses and those he led. [That rules out the Mayflower gang]
(2) Whatever was happening in the Middle East -- people listening to God in B.C. times, per Beck & per Mormonism it was also happening "on THIS side." (The word "This" was Beck's emphasis)
Guess what document teaches that? That's right. Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon. B.C. times. The Americas.
out of curiosity and not to get into it but who is the true God and which faith?
Is it Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, southern Baptist, etc?
Excellent summary ..thanks
This needs to be repeated often for the illumination of Beck's true agenda.
What is the true faith? Who is the true God? What is the true gospel .
The Resurrection of Christ 1 corth 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, [1] of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, 2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
Respectfully:
How would you explain Mark 9:38-41?
I think this has been forgotten.
LKMJBC
>>Quite frankly I am not gong to play the lefts game and his religion<<
You are Brilliant!
What a great reference!
Thank you!
There are some in the churches of Christ who have grown weary of what they would regard as “intolerant militance.” They do not want gospel preachers to expose false teaching or speak against various expressions of sin. They desire to broaden the base of fellowship to embrace anyone and everyone who claims allegiance to the name of Christ. Those with this perspective, when they hear strong, plain preaching against religious error and “will not endure” it, may try to misuse Luke 9:49,50 to restrain the contender for the faith. But, the case of the unidentified exorcist needs to be studied with these points of observation in mind:
Attention must be paid to what Jesus said about this man. The student who wants to understand the text must carefully consider what Jesus said about this unnamed man. It is clear, He was not a false teacher! Had this man been a false teacher, what would Jesus have said about him? He would have called him a “ravenous wolf,” and compared him to a bad tree that bears bad fruit; a tree worthy of being “cut down and thrown into the fire,” (see Matt. 7:15-20). But Jesus said of this man, he is “not against us.” In Mark’s account, Jesus said of this man, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me,” (Mark 9:39). Based on these recorded words of Jesus, I am this man was not a false teacher! To use this passage in an effort to restrain gospel preachers from exposing false teachers and false religions is to misuse the passage and ignore the commendable words of favor Jesus had for this unnamed man.
Consider just exactly what John ‘s objection was. John didn’t say this man was guilty of some wrong. He didn’t say the unidentified man was teaching false doctrine. The only thing John said was, “he does not follow with us!” Carefully note: John made just the one objection. All we know about this man is what we can gather from John’s statement and the Lord’s reply. All John says is, he was not with them!
Those in the immediate company of Jesus were not the only faithful disciples! In addition to the apostles, many who heard Him were receptive, noble listeners. Yes, “the multitudes pressed about Him to hear the word of God,” and in the response of some to Him, he “saw their faith,” (Luke 5:1,20). “And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John,” (Luke 7:29). The notion that the apostles were the only faithful disciples is not only assumption; it is in error. Those “with’’ Him were not the only faithful disciples. This unidentified man, based on every indication we have, was a faithful disciple of Christ, though not in the physical company of the apostles. (Just a few verses beyond our text, you’ll read of Jesus appointing and sending out 70 disciples, and they had the ability to cast out spirits! See Luke 10:1-20).
So, whatever this passage means, we can be certain it doesn’t mean that gospel preachers are to refrain from exposing false teachers and false religions. The text affords no ground for that whatever. Gospel preachers are to charge false teachers ‘’that they teach no other doctrine,” (1 Tim. 1:3). Their duty is to “rebuke” and “exhort,” (2 Tim. 4:2). Every gospel preacher and every Christian must imitate the attitude of Paul who has ‘’set for the defense of the gospel,’’ (Phil. 1:17). In regard to those religions, individuals or theological systems not divinely authorized, Jesus said: “Every plant, which my heavenly Father bath not planted, shall be rooted up,” (Matt. 15:7-14). Hence, Jesus never endorsed the rationale of silence or tolerance of anything morally or religiously wrong.
http://www.bible.ca/ef/expository-luke-9-49-50.htm
Except He is not using the name of the Jesus of the Bible, he is teaching and preaching Mormon doctrine, with a jesus that is the brother of Lucifer and the spirit child of the "father god " with ONE of his wives
He is against the gospel of jesus Christ
Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.
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