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Why Did They Kill Off Geography????
RantRave.com ^ | Aug 4, 2010 | Bruce Deitrick Price

Posted on 09/02/2010 2:37:28 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice

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In 7th grade they spend eight weeks on mapreading (too long in my opinion). A lot of coloring etc. I am not sure how much it actually sticks. Geography needs to be relevant to the person for it to stay with them. Also you should go with the 80/20 rule (if should remember most of the important countries, but you can always look up Andorra or Togo).

Remember wars are how Americans learn geography.


21 posted on 09/02/2010 4:04:50 PM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

RE: “Our son was talking with four girls, all of them smart, from good homes and attending well-respected colleges....”

Totally wonderful addition. I laughed so hard I almost forgot how sad all this is...

Your story reminds me of a generalization I think about a lot: if somebody doesn’t teach you, you don’t know. QED: schools have to teach and teach again. It’s clear in this case that these girls never saw a wall map of the world. Nobody ever pointed to this map, and said, “Note that Alaska is way up here....They call us the Lower 48...”


22 posted on 09/02/2010 4:14:54 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
If you want to know the interface of Geography with History, look at the Balkan Nations and their borders. They reflect the high water mark of the border between the Hapsburg and Ottoman / Christian and Muslim Empires. Serbs remember the evils of Islamic overlords and return the same 500+ years later.

FYI: The last siege of Vienna was in 1683, less than a century before the Declaration of Independence (USofA) and a century after the Battle of Lepanto that save Christian Europe. Quick, can you name WHERE Lepanto and Vienna are?

Do you know that the Muslim Barbary Corsairs infested the English Channel into the late 1600s? Why, because there were rich pickings and easy travel home to North Africa with booty and Christian Slaves for the potentates of Islam!

23 posted on 09/02/2010 4:21:34 PM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: exhaustguy

RE: A LOT OF COLORING...Who could dream up this stuff?

During first few grades, coloring maps would be fun and productive. We would all enjoy it.

A few hours here, a few hours there, even in fifth and sixth grades, might be good. You could teach geography, history, current events, art.

For 7th graders, it’s clearly not meant to be fun or productive. Eight weeks? No, this is meant to be torture so you’ll always hate geography.


24 posted on 09/02/2010 4:25:38 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

FWIW my kids love playing with Google Earth and just randomly going to different places on it.


25 posted on 09/02/2010 4:33:20 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
It’s clear in this case that these girls never saw a wall map of the world. Nobody ever pointed to this map, and said, “Note that Alaska is way up here....They call us the Lower 48...”

These girls, and all of the "college" students like them, have way, way more problems than lack of a wall map. They are displaying a shocking level of rank stupidity. And their laughter in the face of the truth is even more disturbing.

We're looking at a lost generation. Not because of lack of facts, or even knowledge, but the destruction of the ability to think at all.

26 posted on 09/02/2010 4:40:53 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: whitedog57
"Geography is redundant in many cases. It is a mish mash of geology, economics, sociology and other fields. What is unique about geography is cartography/remote sensing and Geographical Information Systems."

They threw it out because it gave a student a REALISTIC sense of his place in the world, that the world was bigger and less vulnerable than the new breed wanted it to be.

27 posted on 09/02/2010 4:42:14 PM PDT by redhead (Abortion: The number one killer of human beings. Period.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Geography was my favorite subject growing up.

But it wasn't taught in any school I ever attended. I learned it myself, from National Geographic and reading maps. It was one of the few subjects I found stimulating at age six. :)

28 posted on 09/02/2010 4:45:38 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: exhaustguy
Remember wars are how Americans learn geography.

Yeah, it's when we learn where our family members fought totalitarian murderers and set free millions of people in other countries from concentration camps and death squads. Thanks for pointing that out, it's important to remember that children need a context to see the importance of geography.

29 posted on 09/02/2010 4:46:49 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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30 posted on 09/02/2010 5:07:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Four-Reasons-Why-Educators-Hate-Geography.aspx

They don’t want to empower kids with knowledge and want to collect the most money and doing the least to get it. When kids don’t have knowledge they use arbitrary EMOTIONS to decide or do as they are told.

31 posted on 09/02/2010 5:14:49 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: whitedog57
Not really. Much can be understood about the country from where they are located. The temperatures, terrain etc. influences how they live and what they can do best with these resources. It's useful to know what their natural resources are. For example, Africa has NO REASON to be poor. Africa is rich in natural resources and much of their land can be farmed. Its primative, despot, tribal leaders that don't know how to make the most of what they have.
32 posted on 09/02/2010 5:19:13 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: SunkenCiv
A working knowledge of world and U.S. geography is essential in elementary school as a platform to understand history and government. I loved the subject and taught myself before the curriculum got around to it, though.

That said, I took a college cultural geography course and really didn't get a lot out of it I didn't already know from other disciplines.

33 posted on 09/02/2010 5:21:14 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

I agree with ALL this and make sure our kids KNOW their geography.

THE GLORY OF GEOGRAPHY

Geography is a foundation not just for history but for the study of geology, anthropology, archaeology, world trade, finance, government, environmental science, military history, surveying, early mathematics, and much else. Any school that skimps on geography is a phony.

Francis Parker is a famous educator who died in 1902. I want to close with a quote from his book “How To Teach Geography” (1885). Probably you never heard a teacher rhapsodize about ANYTHING the way Parker can carry on about a topic that many think is dull and dry:

“Geography explains and illuminates history...To know and love the whole world is to become subjectively an integral factor in all human life; the resulting emotion arouses the only true patriotism, the patriotism that makes the world and all its children one’s own land and nation. Geography is one essential means of bringing the individual soul an appreciation of the universal and eternal.”

We need more geography; more precision; more foundational knowledge; and more passion for learning. We need a lot less of the foolishness that undermines these four.


34 posted on 09/02/2010 5:22:25 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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Why Did They Kill Off Geography????

So kids wouldn't laugh at Obama's 57 states?
35 posted on 09/02/2010 5:24:28 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: SunkenCiv

When we were in Egypt a bunch of schoolkids were coming down the street. When they saw us they started shouting “Where are you from?” We told them Idaho. They said “How can you not know where you’re from?” Now I know.


36 posted on 09/02/2010 5:30:48 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Intolerant, Racist, Bitter, Clinging, Islamophobe, Homophobe, ANGRY. Yep, typical white guy)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
lolol. You are EXACTLY correct. Too many classes on self-esteem and interpretive dance. Geography is a great course and should be mandatory at least for every middle school student.

I'm glad you got a laugh at that story. Our family has regular fits every time it's brought up again. It was even funnier than I told it. My son was with his three friends and two of those friends were dating two of the four girls. All four girls were sooo adamant about Alaska's position that for just a second the four boys wondered if they were wrong. Thankfully, they concluded they were right and the girls were wrong.

And STILL the girls didn't back down. They were positive. Alaska is an island off the coast of southern California.

Our son tutored high school students. He has hundreds of these stories. One very rich young man in high school was being tutored in history and when asked who was the first president of the United States, he thought a moment and then answered "Lincoln."

Our patient, despairing son gave him the correct answer and then asked what war Washington fight in?

"The Civil War?" the student responded. Seriously.

What the heck are these schools doing with the billions funneled to "education???"

37 posted on 09/02/2010 5:32:11 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

I learned most of what I know about geography AFTER I got out of school. Maps. Maps, for me, are an art form. The walls of my apartment were COVERED with maps. Topographical maps of all the rivers in Massachusetts that I canoed on. World maps. USA maps. Maps of Europe and Asia. Visitors would always ask me if I was a school teacher. I would gaze at those maps for so long that they could easily be recalled from memory even today. Old maps that my father got from gas stations back in the ‘40’s. Changes in roads, changes in country names in Africa and the Mideast. Maps are AWESOME!
Ask a kid today to name the capital of, say, Kentucky, and they are lost...


38 posted on 09/02/2010 6:00:14 PM PDT by Paisan
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To: Paladin2
Great article. I recently read a book on homeschooling/classical education by Leigh Bortins called The Core: Teaching Your Child the Foundations of Classical Education. Bortins devotes an entire chapter to the subject of teaching geography. She suggests having your children start to copy maps with the goal of eventually being able to draw them freehand. I thought this was a great idea and plan to do it with my girls. Bortins argues that knowledge of geography is a good foundation for other subjects (e.g., current events, history) and that having a deep knowledge of geography will encourage a deeper interest in such subjects. And that memorizing facts is good for the mind and education in general.
39 posted on 09/02/2010 6:56:58 PM PDT by elisabeth
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Take the kids orienteering sometime.

http://www.us.orienteering.org/

40 posted on 09/02/2010 6:59:47 PM PDT by Paladin2
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