Skip to comments.Oath Keepers statement..., “Government Agents Seize Oath Keeper’s New Born From Hospital”
Posted on 10/07/2010 8:42:25 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman
Stewart has just now as of 7:45PM PST, spoken to the father and he is faxing documents to Stewart. We are establishing a legal defense fund. Once it is confirmed through documentation that the fathers association with Oath Keepers was listed as a reason, even if among several reasons listed, for taking the child, we will actively pursue aggressive legal remedy and redress. We will assist in locating competent local legal counsel in New Hampshire and additional expert legal counsel from around the country in First Amendment and child custody law. Stewart, who has worked on several First Amendment cases in State and Federal court will also volunteer his services to assist in the case Pro Bono. YOUTUBE VIDEO
Here is Stewarts statement for now:
We are doing all we can to confirm and document this. But if is IS accurate, and a newborn child was ripped from her mothers arms because the parents were associated with Oath Keepers by simply being members of our online ning discussion forum, then this is a grave crossing of a very serious line, and is utterly intolerable. It cannot be done. It cannot be allowed to stand.
If it is true, then I will do all in my power to stop it. We will pull out all the stops, every lawful means of seeing that this child is returned to her parents and that all persons responsible are held ...
(Excerpt) Read more at oathkeepers.org ...
Yeah, the earlier post used words like ‘head nurse of the hospital’
That wasn’t a clue to you?
A clue to what? This was just posted as a follow up. I’m not sure if it’s a hoax or not after this statement by Oathkeepers. Apparently they are in contact with the father right now.
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This is such a coincidence because yesterday I thought about this article and was going to freepmail you for the link. I have it but it’s buried waaaayyyyy back. Thank you for posting it 2dv. This time I’m saving it to my desktop. :)
People need to stand down. This is likely a hoax.
If this story is true, then there is a lot more to it than just “the parents belong to the wrong group.” This stinks to high heaven, I just don’t buy it.
I agree. When the first thread was posted there was discussion about the guy on the video and at that time there was nothing posted on Oathkeepers. I posted this to follow-up. The guy on the Youtube is questionable (very) but Oathkeepers is now involved; there must have been something that sounded credible to them. They’re investigating.
I agree with you.
Thanks for the update. I think we should all take a deep breath and wait for the facts to come out. If this turns out to be true, then all hell should break loose.
While I can’t comment on the facts here, I was just waiting for someone to assume that there must “more to it”. No, you can’t assume that any more. The “child protective services” are out of control. They have put many innocent people in jail through their mendacity and the failure of the courts to do their jobs. The Amirault case is one example, and the McMartin case another. Then we have other federal agencies that murder and steal - Ruby Ridge and the ATF in general come to mind.
Government has the ability to smear people to cover the truth. We are now at a point where the government should NEVER get the benefit of the doubt. In fact, it may be time to assume the government is guilty until proven innocent.
Is the guy married to the mother of his child?
You’re right. Deep breath and wait. Oathkeepers is running posts and someone said the father is not a dues paying member however, he did register with them early on. The fact that they (Oathkeepers) is willing to go to bat if this is true speaks volumes about that organization. I’m still skeptical but they must have found something credible in their conversation with the father to continue to dig.
Not sure. The last names I saw were different but that doesn’t mean a lot these days. (so it seems)
They, are engaged as the story goes, from what I read anyway
Very unlikely pairing. Does not pass the smell test as stated.
Oath Keepers seems a pretty tame and lame excuse for a “questionable” organization in regards to child-rearing. They go far too far out of their way to avoid anything like a realistically principled stand on the possible upcoming conflagration - ostensibly because then the active duty military and LEOs wouldn’t join for fear of risking their careers and their precious government pensions. Ha! No lives, fortunes and sacred honors being pledged there.
When I belonged, they seemed all about social networking and membership drives, not their stated purpose. Too tame for me. I quit long ago.
I have more faith in our fellow citizens than that. Someone would have had to call CPS from the hospital. And no one has ever asked me about associations when I am delivering a baby. I’ve had three children. I know the drill in labor and delivery.
And so, yes, there would have to be more to tip off the nursing staff to call security. Usually it’s something like the baby being born addicted to drugs. Yes the government routinely oversteps its authority, but they have yet to start patroling the halls of maternity wings.
If you ever need it, it’s on my personal page, too.
That’s good to know thanks.
Right, and even weirder is the apparent passivity of the parents. If I know I’m a fit parent, and someone is trying to take my new born baby girl from me, I am hanging onto that child no matter what. They would have to taze and arrest me, most likely. And my wife would be worse than me. She would be the real incarnation of the fabled mama grizzly. Granted, there could be parents who would be intimidated into submissive behavior, but I would think that would be the exception, not the rule.
Exactly, you would have to beat me into submission and pry my baby from my arms. I wouldn’t be doing it calmly and submissively. This whole story seems questionable.
If this proves out:
Bit more information:
and the Stewart Rhodes is keeping an update on the original Blog.
What’s next? Appleseeders? 4-H? Where is the list of approved groups we can belong to? Maybe we should ask SPLC.
UPDATE TO THIS STORY POSTED ON OATH KEEPERS WEBSITE:
UPDATE-ALSO POSTED ON ORIGINAL THREAD
Has the first page of a multiple page document (maybe?) in which Oath Keepers is mentioned as a militia he associates with.
It would appear that there are problems with this couple beyond an affiliation with OathKeepers. DFS has been involved for 21 months, and 2 other kids are involved.
Yes. Pending charges do not guilt make however.
If you could take an informal poll on how many individuals have been charged and later found innocent, it might be interesting.
However, the “known association with Oath Keepers” a “militia” is disturbing. If the State had enough information, why feel compelled to include that little fact?
Hey, someone always has to ask this no matter the situation. May as well be me :)
>However, the known association with Oath Keepers a militia is disturbing. If the State had enough information, why feel compelled to include that little fact?
Quite disturbing; it could [in theory] be used as precedence for relieving members of the National Guard for whose states name the National Guard as militia. Even more disturbing is the realization that for many of the states they define the militia [similar to] “every ablebodied male of 18 to 45 years old.”
As an example:
New Mexico State Constitution
ARTICLE XVIII, Sec. 1. [Composition, name and commander in chief of militia.]
The militia of this state shall consist of all able-bodied male citizens
between the ages of eighteen and forty-five, except such as are exempt by
laws of the United States or of this state. The organized militia shall be
called the “national guard of New Mexico,” of which the governor shall be the
commander in chief.
You’re right. The only point I’m trying to make is that there seems to be documented problems on this couple already. DFS has been investigating the background of Irish and found (and noted) he had purchased weapons and made note of that. This was in addition to other information they had.
When this story first went online, it was implied that because he belonged to the Oathkeepers (he’s not a dues paying member btw) the baby was taken. THAT is not the case. That he belongs to Oath Keepers was almost a footnote (as in to shore up their case).
There’s just too much missing information, but people were intentionally mislead.
In any case, Oath Keepers is going to assist.
Affidavit Added: Peaceful Oath Keeper’s Newborn Baby Seized at Hospital!!!
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