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M4 or Other Suggestions Requested
11/11/11 | Camerican

Posted on 11/11/2010 7:47:45 PM PST by Camerican

Looking for advice on M4 alternatives


TOPICS: Hobbies
KEYWORDS: banglist; carbine; emcha; m4
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I'm giving serious thought to purchasing an M4 (civilian). Lot's of manufacturers out there - Colt and Bushmaster, among others. I'd appreciate suggestions as to which manufacturer and model is best, and why. It's been 20+ years since I trained with an M-16 in the Canadian Army Reserve (we called it the C-7). So the M4 seems like a good fit in terms of similar operation and parts. With that said, I'm open to other suggestions in the carbine field. Thanks.
1 posted on 11/11/2010 7:47:50 PM PST by Camerican
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2 posted on 11/11/2010 7:51:59 PM PST by ExGeeEye (Freedom: to say "No!" fearlessly to the Feds, and get away with it.)
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To: Camerican

They’re all pretty good. Buy a lower receiver and parts then assemble the lower yourself. Save money by buying off brand parts. Then splurge on the upper already assembled.


3 posted on 11/11/2010 7:53:02 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

Sig 556


4 posted on 11/11/2010 7:56:38 PM PST by crghill (You can't put a condom on your soul. Viva Arizona!)
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To: mamelukesabre

Sig 556


5 posted on 11/11/2010 7:58:58 PM PST by crghill (You can't put a condom on your soul. Viva Arizona!)
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To: Camerican

“11/11/11 | Camerican”

I must have been abducted by aliens. I lost a whole year.:)


6 posted on 11/11/2010 8:00:03 PM PST by cajuncow
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To: ExGeeEye

I like Daniel Defense, LaRue and Noveske.

If you want to build your own, check out http://www.bravocompanyusa.com

I’ve heard rumors that Wilson Combat may come out with an upper in 30 Remington (30RAR) which would be great for hunting.

http://blog.wilsoncombat.com/1911/notes-from-bill-another-successful-hunt-hog-hunting-with-the-30-rar-and-45-wilson-custom-ammunition/


7 posted on 11/11/2010 8:00:16 PM PST by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
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To: Camerican

Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range. Works for me.


8 posted on 11/11/2010 8:01:45 PM PST by Perdogg (What Would Aqua Buddha do?)
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To: Perdogg

“Hey pal - what you see is what I got.”

- Terminator


9 posted on 11/11/2010 8:05:37 PM PST by FormerRep
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To: Camerican
I think this thread is a PERFECT place for an AK vs AR debate!

(ducks and runs away)

10 posted on 11/11/2010 8:09:30 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: SIDENET

Might as well throw Glock v 1911 in there too.


11 posted on 11/11/2010 8:15:27 PM PST by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
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To: Camerican

12 posted on 11/11/2010 8:17:14 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Camerican

Ill take a M4 any day I just love them ole Sherman tanks!


13 posted on 11/11/2010 8:17:40 PM PST by crazydad
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To: crghill

The SIG 556 has come down in price so it is a good choice. It provides AR 15 accuracy with AK 47 ruggedness and reliability

The SIG 516 is a great gas piston adaptation of the AR 15

If you are looking for a AR style clone the Spike’s Tactical is a high quality AR for the price as is the Smith and Wesson MP15

Best of all is the new FN SCAR 16s but it is a bit expensive at around $2K

In 7.62 the FN FAL or DSA SA58 FAL replica is hard to beat and highly recommended


14 posted on 11/11/2010 8:18:21 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: Camerican

Purpose of having rifle? Hunting? Self Defense?

Where would it be used, especially for self defense? Rural? ‘Burbs? Urban?

Range to probable targets?

Your skills and weapon familiarity?


15 posted on 11/11/2010 8:19:13 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: Camerican

Purpose of having rifle? Hunting? Self Defense?

Where would it be used, especially for self defense? Rural? ‘Burbs? Urban?

Defending house? Appartment? Other?

Range to probable targets?

Your skills and weapon familiarity?


16 posted on 11/11/2010 8:19:58 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: Camerican

Mine is a Bushmaster, M-faux. :-)

I love it. I think Bushmaster makes a quality rifle. But others do, too. The Sig 556 is catching my eye lately.

But be ready for the sticker shock... it’s not just the rifle, but its the optics. The optics will cost more than the rifle. Count on it. I have the Leupold CQ/T on mine and I love it. That lighted reticle, corrected for .223 ballistics... just rocks. But... I also love the Trijicon ACOG. I’m considering getting one.


17 posted on 11/11/2010 8:24:36 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: smokingfrog
Might as well throw Glock v 1911 in there too.

LOL.

For the record, I'm a Glock and AK guy.

18 posted on 11/11/2010 8:25:03 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Camerican

Now is a great time to buy an AR rifle. Prices have come down to pre-obama times and even lower. I’ll just throw out a few thoughts.

If you want an M4 style, the mid-length gas system is worth looking at. It improves extraction reliability somewhat by starting the extraction cycle slightly later and thus at a lower pressure. Also, a bayonet will fit properly on a mid length upper, if that matters to you.

I think Bushmaster is slightly overpriced but not really “bad”. Noveske and LaRue seem to be the hot items nowadays. I believe Colt still has the large pins in their lowers so they won’t interchange with anything else. Quality is good though.

I would recommend a wolff extractor spring and rubber O-ring upgrade. A cheap way to add reliability.

Without naming companies, I would avoid going to the bottom of the price tier, unless this is just a plinking rifle. Chrome lined barrels are nice too...

Carry on :)


19 posted on 11/11/2010 8:25:58 PM PST by kamikaze2000 (You can lead a liberal to truth, but you can't make him think.)
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To: SIDENET
For the record, I'm a Glock and AK guy.

U Da Man

20 posted on 11/11/2010 8:26:15 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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21 posted on 11/11/2010 8:39:31 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Ramius

Tell me about your Leupold CQ/T. I’m thinking of getting one but am having some doubts. For not too much more I can get an Aimpoint CompML2.


22 posted on 11/11/2010 8:42:24 PM PST by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
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To: FormerRep

..Uuuuzi 9mm


23 posted on 11/11/2010 8:43:49 PM PST by omega4179 (Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius)
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To: mylife

The cup holder adds a nice touch, eh?

24 posted on 11/11/2010 8:48:37 PM PST by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
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To: smokingfrog

LoL!


25 posted on 11/11/2010 8:52:11 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

26 posted on 11/11/2010 8:53:25 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: mylife

I got that same gun in the 1911 configuration....


27 posted on 11/11/2010 8:54:39 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Doomonyou

Is there a gun in there?


28 posted on 11/11/2010 8:55:21 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Ramius
The optics will cost more than the rifle. Count on it.


29 posted on 11/11/2010 8:55:49 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Camerican

Just buy a Colt and forget about it. Everything else is a copy, no matter how much they claim their product is “improved”.


30 posted on 11/11/2010 8:56:34 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: smokingfrog

That looks like my 1911.


31 posted on 11/11/2010 8:57:39 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Doomonyou

Does that come in a 1911?


32 posted on 11/11/2010 8:58:58 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Doomonyou

Is that a fur cheekrest?


33 posted on 11/11/2010 8:59:15 PM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: papertyger

LoL!


34 posted on 11/11/2010 8:59:40 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Yeah, and it only weighs 27 1/2 lbs.


35 posted on 11/11/2010 8:59:40 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: ozzymandus

They make the 1911.


36 posted on 11/11/2010 9:01:13 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Doomonyou

I looked at an AR10 with stainless target barrel, that weighed 16 lbs with no optics! or bipod!


37 posted on 11/11/2010 9:02:24 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Erasmus
Is that a fur cheekrest?

Fuzzy Dice!

38 posted on 11/11/2010 9:02:35 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: mylife

Boat anchor.


39 posted on 11/11/2010 9:05:08 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: MindBender26

Home defense; urban house; hopefully I’ll only have to use it on a target range; skills were pretty good 20 years ago, but it’s been a while.


40 posted on 11/11/2010 9:05:37 PM PST by Camerican (I had a tagline, but Obama made me "share" it with others.)
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To: Doomonyou

I left it on the rack.


41 posted on 11/11/2010 9:08:02 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Doomonyou
I gave this a happy home.


42 posted on 11/11/2010 9:10:06 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Camerican
So you want to buy an AR-15, huh?

(long read -- graphics heavy)

43 posted on 11/11/2010 9:10:50 PM PST by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
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You know what that means? Only one more year of Obama!
44 posted on 11/11/2010 9:11:14 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (If Sarah Palin was President, you would have a job by now...)
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To: Camerican
Home defense; urban house; hopefully I’ll only have to use it on a target range;

You worried about your house being overrun by radical Jehovah's Witnesses? "Taking down" your own meth lab?

You might as well go duck hunting with a howitzer.

45 posted on 11/11/2010 9:12:56 PM PST by papertyger
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46 posted on 11/11/2010 9:15:07 PM PST by MtnMan101 (THE PROBLEM WITH SOCIALISUM IS THAT YOU EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY)
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To: ozzymandus
Just buy a Colt and forget about it. Everything else is a copy, no matter how much they claim their product is “improved”.


Wrong! Nothing beats a Johnny Seven OMA.


47 posted on 11/11/2010 9:15:07 PM PST by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
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To: mylife

You’re into jousting?


48 posted on 11/11/2010 9:15:47 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Camerican

Build yer own!

http://www.brownells.com


49 posted on 11/11/2010 9:19:46 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (A "tea bagger"? Say it to my face. ><BCC>)
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To: MtnMan101

I know what you’re thinking, punk. Did he fire 4673 shots, or 4674....


50 posted on 11/11/2010 9:19:55 PM PST by papertyger
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