Posted on 12/25/2010 4:00:25 AM PST by wendy1946
Odd. I am a Christian because God, through Christ, has transformed me into a new creature. Has nothing to do with what anybody thinks.
As Peter says in IIPeter 3, there were/are three different heaven/earth ages. We in flesh bodies are passing through the 'second' heaven/earth age. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. That is a declaration and nowhere in the whole of the Bible are we told when this took place.
Genesis 1:2 AND ..... describes a catastrophic upheaval, Paul calls it the 'the foundation' which is actually a verb that means the 'casting down - overthrow', wherein some were predestined to do/be because of their 'perfect' love in Christ.
No one in flesh walking this earth can with for a certainty date this earth. But all the evidence demonstrates this earth is very very old.
This is a concept that I have broached on a few of the crevo threads. I'm usually told that the only reason scientists advocate for an old Earth is that their commitment to godless evolution requires the aeons needed for evolution to work. So that once I accept that there is a Creator, my belief in an old Earth can be discarded like a no longer needed crutch.
Fortunately for me and every other soul we have the perfect Judge and only He knows the 'intent' of any one heart/mind. The age of the heavens and earth are in my opinion a total side issue as to how long ago 'flesh human' bodies were formed. I cannot quite comprehend the miracle of how all the many peoples we can readily see are different could come from only two people. That speaks of evolution in really quick time.
It is my opinion that evolutionists know they are factually correct on an old earth and some know they are anti-god in claiming we flesh humans were spawned out of a primordial steaming pot of pond scum. Some of the intellectuals know this is a lie.
For example, a great case has been made that the Sphinx in Egypt is 10,000 years old. It defies conventional modern science by using hydrology to explain the type of wear and tear that they Sphinx has.
Modern Science is perpetually in upheaval. Things are constantly being proved AND disproved. But evidence relies on science to disprove science. New methods, new algorithms, new technologies.
CAVEAT: I am very religious person. But somehow, when it comes to science, I have relied more on the “modern” science method
Getting anti-evolutionists to understand math is hopeless.
“Believe in Science” is a phrase. At the end of the day, the reason it is NOT a religion is that it has no fixed precepts. It “evolves” (to use a phrase) based on our knowledge.
Back in the 19th century, Newtonian physics “ruled”. Now “Einsteinien” physics dominates. Who knows where we go from here.
Science is a journey of discovery. It is constantly disproving itself.
Religion is more set. For example, I believe in God. I don’t think any evidence is going to make me rethink that belief.
However, in God’s universe, I believe we have the capacity to learn new things.
You're leaving out beneficial mutations such as duplications, which voids your math and conclusions.
So God spends billions of years creating us and this is how you show your appreciation?
FR Modern Science (or FRMS for short)
Why just two? Don't you think there should be separate realities and separate worlds of science for blacks and whites, straight and gay, Christian and Jewish... ? Everybody's entitled to opinions but nobody is entitled to his or her own facts. There can only be one true history or true body of science.
I mean, tell me where you see anything about religious doctrine or what's non-modern in the posting above. I'm not into pushing religion. I'll RECOMMEND Christianity to anybody who ASKS for a recommendation but that has nothing to do with this topic.
What I DO believe is that evolution is junk science and that, as junk science goes, a spectacularly dangerous variety, that it has already caused enough harm and damage in the world, and that it is time to get rid of it.
You can pick any religion you want or any idea about the age of the Earth you want, but you need to understand that evolution is not intellectually respectable, and that ANY religion is a better choice including Voodoo and Rastafari. Neither Voodoo nor Rastafari require belief in infinite sequences of probabilistic miracles and zero-probability events.
You are probably right.
I think that there exists a fault line between biblical conservatives and “modern” conservatives, that should NOT exist.
I believe in God, Family, private property and our Constitution. I may not believe in a 5000 year old Earth.
However, that does not separate me from Sarah Palin. At the end of the day I want Sarah (or any other conservative President) to create an atmosphere, where we are left the HECK ALONE and allowed to practice our own beliefs.
All choices would be made by consenting and clinically sane adults. So, by definition, Abortion would thus be totally illegal, as the Fetus CANNOT consent to being murdered.
If the libertarians could be 100% opposed to Abortion and get it through their thick skulls that Drugs make a human being not be fully “sane” or “normal” (and thus no longer a true “individual” or “Consentor”), then I would be a libertarian.
However, their support of Abortion and Drugs.. is a deal killer for me.
I suspect that I have done more theoretical and engineering math than most, but enjoy your conceit anyway.
With all the liberal views that you hold in regards to social conservatism, and Christians, you clearly have more reasons for rejecting God than just creation.
If libertarians became conservative, then they wouldn't be libertarians.
Assuming there WAS such a thing in the world (there isn't) as a beneficial mutation, then to get past the Haldane dilemma you'd have to be substituting very large numbers of beneficial mutations into the population on a continual basis.
In other words, you'd need to get God to suspend the laws of probability for your benefit. The problem is that the overwhelming bulk of mutations are harmful or fatal and that substituting large numbers of mutations into a population of animals will destroy it. The short version of the dilemma I noted involves one beneficial mutation per generation being substituted into the population which is wildly beyond anything that could ever happen in real life. Haldane himself came to a number sort of like 300 generations to substitute one mutation into any sizable population of creatures and that's without the population being scattered across continents. That's where the talk of quadrillions of years comes from.
“If libertarians became conservative, then they wouldn’t be libertarians.”
I disagree. To be a libertarian, you have to belive in liberty. To believe in liberty means that every human has innate rights about his or her well being.
Abortion contradicts that. No one is asking the fetus, if she/he is ready to be killed. It is a one-sided decision by the mother
Same applies to Drugs. If you have taken drugs, you are no longer in control of your mind and thus cannot make any decisions about your liberty. You are now a slave.
Thus, taken intelectually, both of these stands are contradictory to the inherent “liberties” in “libertarians”
I would venture over half of America would vote libertarian, if they would change these two positions.
As far as I know the only difference between a conservative and a libertarian, or a liberal and a libertarian, is which portion of their agenda you are looking at.
Libertarians are conservative on economic issues, and liberal on social/cultural, immigration, and national defense.
If Libertarians move right on abortion and such, then they start losing the need to use their language of separation from conservatives, and they approach being conservative.
Well, I guess you haven't noticed that the evos are too. They =believe= so it must be true. My objections to evolution and geology are scientific, not religious. The supposed experts want to gloss over their contradictions because they don't have any better stories to tell. I am troubled by contradictions. I am not troubled by not having answers.
ML/NJ
The scientists are WRONG. We didn’t evolve from monkeys. We evolved from fuzzy bunnies. And bunnies evolved from hamsters.
**I** said it, and so it is!
The happiest day of my life will be the day I go to vote in an election and the choices are between Republicans and Libertarians, and the demoKKKrat party is an ugly footnote in history books with the last of its leaders rotting in prison cells or in cages at the National Zoo on Connecticut Avenue with the bars welded shut and signs posted not to feed them through the bars.
“The happiest day of my life will be the day I go to vote in an election and the choices are between Republicans and Libertarians”
Ditto!
In my fantasy world, I would see three parties:
1. The SoCon party. This would be a social conservative party. Would be the party of God etc. Uber conservative socially, moderate economically, moderate on personal liberty (as God would be imposed on society)
2. The small “l” liberal party: These guys would be social moderates but economic uber conservatives. Also, high on personal liberty.
3. The Reformed Libertarians. Socially “liberal”, economically uber conservative, and huge emphasis on personal liberty (live free or die!)
I think three such parties would create a good balance. The SoCons would compromise with the “l”iberals to keep some public morals.
The Liberterians would compromise with “l”iberals to preserve individual liberty
All three would keep economic liberty.
Probably the “l”iberal party would dominate with 40% of the vote. The SoCons would get 35% and the Libertarians would get 25%
You know, it’s really kinda comical, watching people try to decipher hidden bible codes, arguing over the age of the earth, evolution, bizzare interpretations of old testament stuff, meatless fridays, or whatever,,etc.
The only thing that matters is do you believe Jesus is the son of God, (or am i supposed to say G-D, yeshua, yahweh, jehova,,,i get confused) And that this man Jesus died on the cross for your sins. If you believe that, the rest suddenly turns into a silly parlor game.
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