Posted on 12/25/2010 4:00:25 AM PST by wendy1946
That’s a bad reason not to be a Christian. You really should find another reason if you’re going to base your eternity on it.
Wait a minute...theres no such thing as the world? OK, clearly I’m in the wrong place...
I”m not really going to jump into the middle of this because I’m not well enough versed and I’d get slaughtered, however, if you don’t believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, then you can start picking and choosing, and therein lies a real problem. Whether the earth was made in 7 days or not isn’t the problem, but there are other things that certainly would be (the literal resurrection for instance or if Jesus is the literal Son of God).
But, as I said, I’m just tossing things out, I’m not qualified to really debate the issue. However, this is why the issue is so important that people get so riled up.
You’d have to be more specific.
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That is gibberish. If you are actually getting this line from some Christians, you need to interact with better-informed Christians. Neo-Luddite know-nothings aren't doing any of us any favors.
If Jesus had tried walking around in a Roman province in an actual dead human body for 40 days, Romans would have seen him and crucified him a second time and done whatever it would have taken to ensure that he STAYED crucified. I assume the resurrection was the sort of thing Julian Jaynes described but it was not any sort of a mass hallucination and to the people who experienced it, it was utterly indistinguishable from Jesus having come back in his own corporeal (and dead) body. That IS the way Jaynes described that sort of experience and that is also the way that the OT ghost story involving Saul, the prophet Samuel, and the "witch" of Endor reads.
I dont know how to be more specific. If you say there is no world, I’m not sure where the heck I am. So... I clearly am not where I think I am, so I must be in the wrong place. It would be difficult for me to be any clearer, since I don’t know where I am.
What?
Reminds me of good old-fashioned Gnosticism applied to the philosophy of naturalism.
***That’s what it reminded me of as well, but you said it more eloquently than I would have.
So, basically what we have here is someone suggesting that we set up what is already set up, but it turns out he doesn’t like what he asked for.
I believe in religion in the sense I believe it exists and has many interesting stories. I believe in science in that it exists and has many interesting theories. I believe the theories when the preponderance of the evidence indicates they are most likely true. Perhaps rather than say I believe in science, we who do should say “I believe scientific evidence” when there is enough of it and it is reproducible. Unfortunately religion has little reproducible evidence, which is why it is not science.
“Seen any new creations lately?”
Yes, last month when I went to get this seasons flu virus shot. The little bugs keep evolving so we have to spend millions in creating vaccines to fight the most recently evolved.
Perhaps you have not read any really good modern books regarding evolution. I strongly recommend “Endless Forms Most Beautiful” by Sean Carroll (sp?). It is only a few years old and is quite a fascinating book.
And perhaps I've read more than you have; perhaps a lot more.
ML/NJ
1) The myth of evolution between different species as an attempt to explain how living things got here. (Just a note: This is what I mean by evolution here - I'm not talking about evolution within a species like breeding dogs or cats to look different over time.)
2) The attempt by some on this thread to mutually exclude true science and the Bible or the Christian faith.
My Comment: The myth of evolution between species has no evidence and is contrary to the laws of (true) science some of which is pointed out here. The best refutation of evolution is intelligent design which is everywhere, evidence more numerous than the sand of the sea. True science supports and is the friend of God's Word, the Bible. You don't, however, have to be a scientist to know that everything is intricately made with purpose thus pointing to a purposeful and intelligent maker - little kids even know that. That's why Romans 1:20 says that living things so obviously point to a God of intelligence and purpose and authority that naysayers have no excuse.
3) Libertarians v. conservatives: I’m an economic libertarian but a political constitutional Christian conservative. In that sense you might say I’m both, at least generally, but not specifically. I am a conservative politically, not a libertarian. But economically, I’m pretty much an absolute libertarian and wish we had a hundred more Milton Freidmans running around (strictly economically speaking only).
Funny, but I don't recall me ever saying or writing that; you probabaly have me confused with somebody else.
LOL Wendy, I blame too much chocolate and Christmas candy! You said “if there was such a thing IN the world” I read “if there was such a thing AS the world” and I thought...well, I have finally managed to get myself into a parallel universe. How did that happen? Whew! It’s al good. :)
Part of the problem may be that I write in more complex and longer sentences than many people, sometimes they’re not hard to misread.
Well, that may be,but this was simply a matter of me misreading one word. So, that was just me.
Part of the problem may be that some people believe that if they write in more complex and longer sentences they can argue utter nonsense and lesser minds will actually believe that someone who can write such complex and long sentences actually knows what they are talking about. NOT!!
One of the most interesting aspects of evolution is the economy which is explained so well in Endless Forms Most Beautiful. Apparently genes are modified and reused over and over again over the ages. The segmented earthworm body becomes the segmented insect or crustacean body, becomes the fish, amphibian, reptile, mammal spinal cord, etc. There are many such reusings meaning mutations don’t have to start from scratch as it were.
Whether or not you believe God did it or unknowing nature, it is nevertheless awesome and worthy of reverence!!
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