Floridians mark anniversary of joining the Confederacy

The Florida Times-Union ^ | January 10, 2011 - 12:00am | Kate Howard

[cowboyway]

It was 150 years ago today that Florida declared itself sovereign from the United States.

Some Southern states have marked the anniversaries of secession with celebrations; in South Carolina, a secession gala was met with protests and controversy.

In Florida, a reenactment was quietly held by the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Tallahassee on Saturday, where about 40 volunteers dressed in period attire performed a condensed version of the convention. It was at that convention where a 62-7 vote led to secession in 1861, making Florida the third state to leave and later join the Confederate States of America.

[central_va]

An actual declaration of war:

Resolved, etc., That the state of war between the United States and the Imperial Government of Japan which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared; and that the President be, and he is hereby, authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the United States and the resources of the Government to carry on war against the Imperial Government of Japan; and, to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States."

[BroJoeK]

browniexyz: "Not a Declaration of War — only an acknowledgement that a STATE of war EXISTS. Very different."

No difference whatever.
It the same language the US used to declare war on Japan after Pearl Harbor.

The difference there is that, as of May 6, 1861 no US forces had attacked any Confederate state.
The state of war that then existed consisted of the South's firing on and seizure of Fort Sumter.

It was Pearl Harbor in reverse.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

There’s no difference between recognizing that a state of war exists and declaring that a state of war exists. In both you’re saying that a state of war exists.

[MikefromOhio]

When did support of the Confederacy become a litmus test for true conservatism?

That's a GREAT question. My guess is that with the wannabes the only "true" conservatives are the ones who agree absolutely with their inane and whacked out views of the Civil War era.

The main reason I visit these threads is that I want to make it impossible for a reasonable person reading the thread to assume that all conservatives are fans of the CSA. If the fanboys aren’t challenged, that is exactly how FR will be portrayed.

Same here. If FR is ever going to truly be the beacon of Conservatism that JimRob and the crew have striven for these years, crap like the open shilling for the Confederacy and the warping of states rights to make excuses for slavery need to be challenged openly.

What does it tell you that if you disagree with these people that they have to send you (hilarious) PMs calling you every name in the book and/or constantly call for the zot? It tells me that they have serious issues dealing with people who do not believe the CSA was utopia.

[BroJoeK]

central_va: "An actual declaration of war:"

Here are Roosevelt's words in his Pearl Harbor speech:

"I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, December 7th, 1941, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese empire."

So the specific language is totally irrelevant.

Your claim is even more ludicrous in view of the fact that the "war" which then did exist consisted of Davis' firing on and seizing Fort Sumter, along with dozens of previous Federal properties, ships, etc.

It would be as if the Japanese had used their own attack on Pearl Harbor as their excuse for declaring that war existed with the United States.

[MikefromOhio]

As I said in the comment, when the first shot was fired BY THE CSA the war was on, this was the CSA making a lame attempt at making it official.

[central_va]

It would be as if the Japanese had used their own attack on Pearl Harbor as their excuse for declaring that war existed with the United States.

Technically, SC fired on Sumter prior to the existence of the CSA.

[central_va]

If FR is ever going to truly be the beacon of Conservatism that JimRob and the crew have striven for these years, crap like the open shilling for the Confederacy and the warping of states rights to make excuses for slavery need to be challenged openly.

If we were to ask Jim Robinson, which side truly speaks for the ideals of a Free Republic? The side of Lincoln and his sloppy goons burning and trampling on the 10th amendment, or the side of states rights and Southern independence from FedGov™. Wonder what he would say?

[central_va]

There were seven states in the CSA when SC fired on FT. Sumter. Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Virginia joined after.

I was thinking from the Virginia point of view, my bad.

[MikefromOhio]

If we were to ask Jim Robinson, which side truly speaks for the ideals of a Free Republic? The side of Lincoln and his sloppy goons burning and trampling on the 10th amendment, or the side of states rights and Southern independence from FedGov™. Wonder what he would say?

Go for it, since you are the one constantly needing approval of your thoughts and actions LOL

[MikefromOhio]

I was thinking from the Virginia point of view, my bad.

That's an NFL-worthy backpedal if I've ever seen one LOL

[central_va]

This is his web site, we are in his cyber living room so to speak. I will continue to respect his wishes, you should too.

[MikefromOhio]

This is his web site, we are in his cyber living room so to speak. I will continue to respect his wishes, you should too.

Somehow I don't think making excuses for slavery using the noble cause of states rights is "respecting his wishes"....

You're making yourself look like even more of a joke. Pathetic.

[central_va]

That's an NFL-worthy backpedal if I've ever seen one LOL

I made a mistake. Kind of like your entire life, or non-life. You are really getting into this. We've seen your type before, they all self destruct with hatred or realize the brainwashing they got in revisionist history.

[central_va]

Somehow I don't think making excuses for slavery using the noble cause of states rights is "respecting his wishes".... You're making yourself look like even more of a joke. Pathetic.

Yawn.

[rockrr]

If we were to ask Jim Robinson, which side truly speaks for the ideals of a Free Republic?

Every once in a blue moon you surprise me with something amazingly (for you) unstupid. This is one of those times vag. Why don't you ask him?

[mac_truck]

In 1776 there was no discussion of abolishing slavery, in either the North or South, iirc.

The Constitution of the Republic of Vermont was adopted in 1777, and among other things it effectively prohibited slavery and indentured servitude. I believe it was the first sovereign state in North America to do so.

[MikefromOhio]

I made a mistake. Kind of like your entire life, or non-life. You are really getting into this. We've seen your type before, they all self destruct with hatred or realize the brainwashing they got in revisionist history.

Laughing at and correcting you isn't hatred, it's patriotic duty.

[MikefromOhio]

He’s afraid to....pretty simple.

As if JimRob doesn’t knows the thousand post threads on FR or anything LOL

[Plumberman27]

Explain why it took so long for The President to declare that slaves were free men? I think it wasn’t until the last year of the war. Doesn’t sound like he was fighting to free them until then. From a Northern point of view it was about money.