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ATF has effectively banned import of Saiga shotguns (vanity post)
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Posted on 02/02/2011 6:02:36 AM PST by nin_kasi

This is related to a previous post From January 30th. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2666031/posts

I have a type 07 FFL (manufacturing and dealer), and one of the hottest selling items lately has been converted Saiga 12 shotguns. Due to a recent "study", Russian American Arms is no longer importing Saiga shotguns (according to my distributors). We have three distributors who deal directly with RAA, they're all on hold pending the outcome of the ATF paper recently released. ATF is accepting "comments" through May 1st, but the distributors are already pulling the product line. According to Ellet Brothers and RSR group, they're prepared to even remove the inventory tags from their databases. I'm hoping the distributors are overreacting, that nothing has been actually banned yet, and that merely high demand has cleaned them out, but no one knows for sure. Even other dealers have been responding to rumors going around.

A quick reminder, Saigas are essentially built on AK platforms, but made to conform to all "assault weapons ban" forms such as no pistol grip, low capacity magazine, no bayonet lug. These are often converted once in the US to include pistol grips, better triggers, and the like.

The ATF paper is linked below. http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/012611-study-on-importality-of-certain-shotguns.pdf


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; antifreedom; antigun; antigunners; assaultweaponban; atf; awb; awb2; banglist; batfe; cw2; ftroop; guncontrol; gungrabbers; rkba; shallnotbeinfringed; unconstitutional; vanity

1 posted on 02/02/2011 6:02:39 AM PST by nin_kasi
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To: nin_kasi; Joe Brower; Travis McGee
Study on the Importability of Certain Shotguns
2 posted on 02/02/2011 6:05:21 AM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: nin_kasi

I’m a 07/02 SOT.....there is talk in the NFA Tech Branch that higher command wants to put the SAIGA in the Destructive Device category same as the Streetsweeper and USAS 12.


3 posted on 02/02/2011 6:11:03 AM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: DCBryan1

Another un-Constitutional F-Troop Rule Of The Day.


4 posted on 02/02/2011 6:11:46 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: nin_kasi

Buy American :)


5 posted on 02/02/2011 6:19:42 AM PST by onona (I've played)
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To: nin_kasi

Wow.

I looked through all that document. I kept seeing the words “sporting purpose”.

Funny how that word doesn’t appear in the Constitution. In fact, it clearly says, “shall not be infringed”, which seems to PROHIBIT the very acts that the ATF is now undertaking.

Hmm. Strange. Wonder what part of “shall not be infringed” they don’t get?


6 posted on 02/02/2011 6:24:23 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: nin_kasi

I guess the new Kel Tec shotgun well be a hot seller with people would want this type of weapon.

Give me a good 870 any day.


7 posted on 02/02/2011 6:32:32 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: nin_kasi

Daymn.
I knew this would happen
I have been looking for a saiga 20 for a long time.


8 posted on 02/02/2011 6:38:51 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: riverrunner

The new kel tec will probably never see the light of day now.


9 posted on 02/02/2011 6:40:15 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: nin_kasi

http://www.mdarms.com/


10 posted on 02/02/2011 6:42:12 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

the ATF

That would be the BATFE, who really doesn’t deserve one letter much less 5 going on infinity.


11 posted on 02/02/2011 6:44:32 AM PST by wita
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To: riverrunner

If they are close enough to use a shot gun, you are going to need more than 20 rounds if the 870 can’t handle it.


12 posted on 02/02/2011 6:46:05 AM PST by barb-tex ( C)
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To: onona

I would, but they won’t sell the AA-12 to the public...


13 posted on 02/02/2011 6:49:08 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: onona
I would, if there was a comparable product.
14 posted on 02/02/2011 6:54:56 AM PST by 2001convSVT (That Beck guy was right about gold, too.)
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To: FLAMING DEATH
Wonder what part of “shall not be infringed” they don’t get?

All of it.

15 posted on 02/02/2011 6:58:12 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: Dead Corpse
I would, but they won’t sell the AA-12 to the public...

Best HOME DEFENSE weapon I have ever seen.

16 posted on 02/02/2011 7:05:06 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
17 posted on 02/02/2011 7:19:09 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: riverrunner
I guess the new Kel Tec shotgun well be a hot seller with people would want this type of weapon.

Damn right. I'm already saving to put one of those in my safe. 14 rounds in a pump with selectable tubes? So you could load one side all slugs and load the other with a variety of loads and then switch back and forth? HECK YEAH! PLUS it's a bullpup design and the empties eject straight downward. What's not to like? Too bad I'm so effectively blocked here at work from using YOUTUBE. Can somebody post a video clip of the new Kel Teck shottie in action?

18 posted on 02/02/2011 7:31:37 AM PST by ExSoldier (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil: It has no point.)
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To: DCBryan1; Joe Brower

The Destructive Device category has always struck me as an all inclusive term for banning anything that makes a soccer mom, male or female, need bladder control protection, which at the whim of the powers that be could be as minute as a BB pistol. That BB will destroy things, I guarantee.


19 posted on 02/02/2011 7:35:52 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: barb-tex

So what’s your point? You seem to want to be divisive.


20 posted on 02/02/2011 7:38:17 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: mylife

This is about importated shot guns. Keltec is a company founded in the USA.


21 posted on 02/02/2011 8:05:22 AM PST by Durus (The distance between us has grown, and I struggle to quantify it. Windage adjustments are done.)
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To: Durus
Imported rather.
22 posted on 02/02/2011 8:06:16 AM PST by Durus (The distance between us has grown, and I struggle to quantify it. Windage adjustments are done.)
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To: Durus

You know what they are up to.


23 posted on 02/02/2011 8:09:02 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: wita
That would be the BATFE,

Barack's
Armed
Torch
ForcE

24 posted on 02/02/2011 8:16:20 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: mylife
I'm afraid I do. AWB2 is waiting and ready to go if this administration bothers with the legislative phase and doesn't enact it via executive order. Any line that we create they will cross. There is only one way to deal with tyrants that will do anything to enslave you.
25 posted on 02/02/2011 8:16:30 AM PST by Durus (Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Durus; Travis McGee
I'm afraid I do. AWB2 is waiting and ready to go if this administration bothers with the legislative phase and doesn't enact it via executive order. Any line that we create they will cross. There is only one way to deal with tyrants that will do anything to enslave you.

Paging Henry Bowman, paging Henry Bowman, pick up the RED WHITE AND BLUE curtosy phone please!

26 posted on 02/02/2011 8:19:45 AM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: Slings and Arrows
Burn
All
Toddlers
First
Everytime
27 posted on 02/02/2011 8:22:14 AM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: DCBryan1

I loaned my copy of UI and never got it back. When I see one now they want $100 or so. Shame that.


28 posted on 02/02/2011 8:22:25 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Durus

Even after Tucson, they are leary of making a big move, but the death of 1000 cuts has begun.


29 posted on 02/02/2011 8:22:56 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: nin_kasi

The price just shot through the roof. Glad I’ve got mine already, with all of the hi capacity mags I could lay my hands on.


30 posted on 02/02/2011 8:41:15 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: riverrunner

Good luck actually getting any Kel-Tec product. Must be a very small operation because just about everything is waay backordered.


31 posted on 02/02/2011 8:49:46 AM PST by Obadiah (Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen. He was #1.)
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To: MileHi

I figure just look for a recent printing of it. I have a copy of the 6th printing I had to special order from 2007 or 2008 or so, and it wasn’t more than I think $25.


32 posted on 02/02/2011 9:42:46 AM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

My point was, in my humble opinion, if the 6 rounds of the 870, can’t handle the situation I doubt that a shotgun firing 20 rounds would be sufficient. I was expressing my opinion as I have never actually been in such a situation.


33 posted on 02/02/2011 9:48:22 AM PST by barb-tex ( C)
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To: wastedyears

Been keeping an eye out.


34 posted on 02/02/2011 11:54:21 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: wita

I think every few years, they add another letter.

At some point, it will be Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Pornography, Caffeine, Fat, Salt, NSAIDS, Energy Drinks, Hate Speech, and Journalistic Integrity (of course, working closely with MSNBC on that last one).


35 posted on 02/02/2011 12:03:23 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: barb-tex

Not all situations that could become a reality are just defense against home invasion. The purpose of the 2A is to resist tyranny. Such a tool would be handy then.
I wish I knew how to post the video of Gunny with the 20 shot fully auto 12GA that has been developed for our military; 20 rounds in 4 seconds, fancy shells that launch grenades...all of which could very well be deployed against you and me.
I maybe misread your post where I sensed you thought it ridiculous that anyone would want a different/better/higher capacity firearm than you felt you “needed”. That would be divisive to the ranks of 2A preservation.


36 posted on 02/02/2011 1:14:36 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: riverrunner
I guess the new Kel Tec shotgun well be a hot seller with people would want this type of weapon

Never knew about this until you mentioned it. Thanks. This is under MUST have to replace my 870.


37 posted on 02/03/2011 7:33:00 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Any economy based on Keynesian principles and practices are always ponzi/pyramid schemes.)
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To: Centurion2000
I just hope it works as well as it looks. In my experience Kel Tec products are some times lacking in the reliability department.
38 posted on 02/03/2011 10:29:23 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner

Polish the feed ramp (Flitz polish) and tetra grease in the action. Every Kel-tec I’ve ever had or played with cleaned up very nicely with those two steps.


39 posted on 02/06/2011 10:11:50 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Any economy based on Keynesian principles and practices are always ponzi/pyramid schemes.)
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