Posted on 02/09/2011 5:22:37 PM PST by Celtic Cross
For a scholarly work I may try to crank out, I was wondering...Under what conditions do a people, according to Jefferson, have a right to revolt or rebel? The obvious answer is;
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
However, I'm having trouble putting together some supporting points (pathetic, I know) and since there's a lot of people who know this stuff like the back of their hand here of FR, I thought I'd see some suggestions. I have a few thing about the rights of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", that these rights are fundamental and thus if a government doesn't provide for and protect them, then its not doing its job. I also have a vague bit about John Locke partially inspiring Jefferson.
A Visitor from the Past
by Thelen Paulk
I had a dream the other night, I did not understand We fought a revolution to secure our Liberty The freedom we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep You buy a permit to travel, and a permit to own a gun Your children must attend a school, that does not educate Your money is no longer made of silver or gold You've given government control to those who do you harm, Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oath they swore Can you regain your freedom, for which we fought and died, Sons of the Republic, arise and take a stand |
Some Jefferson quotes:
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is freedon.”
“The two enemies of the people are criminals and government. So let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so that the second will not become the legal version of the first.”
A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to preserve or obtain their liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.
What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.”
But if the government isn't tyrannical and you can work politically to change things, you don't have a right of rebellion or revolution against that government.
Today, if you really want changes there are techniques of non-violent protest that can often do a lot to change a constitutional and democratically-elected government's stance on things.
A lot of the talk of right of revolution originated before such tactics -- and such constitutionally and democratically elected governments -- were around, and reflects an age that was too quick to rush to the last resort.
I don’t know if he ever talked about future rebellions and revolts in absolute and detailed terms, only that he thought it might happen some time down the road for reasons he couldn’t have possibly forseen in detail. My impression, regarding his writings, is that he was coming at it from the angle of the nature of government, how it tends to spin out of control.
Given that he was around during the time period when we were just starting out down a mostly uncharted political path he felt the bumps along the way from the failure of the Articles of Confederation to watching the Federalists having their way with the Constitution. This is speculation only, but I think the time between the ratification of the Constitution and when he became president he was quite doubtful the Constitution would endure and revolution would be the only way to set things to right, or at least have another go at it.
Here is one of my favorite Jefferson writings, and it may shed some light on where he was coming from:
Notes on Virginia: Query 17
“It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself. Subject opinion to coercion: whom will you make your inquisitors? Fallible men; men governed by bad passions, by private as well as public reasons. And why subject it to coercion? To produce uniformity. But is uniformity of opinion desireable? No more than of face and stature. Introduce the bed of Procrustes then, and as there is danger that the large men may beat the small, make us all of a size, by lopping the former and stretching the latter.
“But is the spirit of the people an infallible, a permanent reliance? Is it government? Is this the kind of protection we receive in return for the rights we give up? Besides, the spirit of the times may alter, will alter. Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless. A single zealot may commence persecutor, and better men be his victims. It can never be too often repeated, that the time for fixing every essential right on a legal basis is while our rulers are honest, and ourselves united. From the conclusion of this war we shall be going down hill. It will not then be necessary to resort every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves, but in the sole faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of this war, will remain on us long, will be made heavier and heavier, till our rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion.”
I know, this is a shameless plug, but I wrote the book to get ideas out. I hope you'll find the ideas in it helpful.
I know, this is a shameless plug, but I wrote the book to get ideas out. I hope you'll find the ideas in it helpful.
IMO we have lost the republic that our founders envisioned. The only way to get that back would be for a state(s) to secede and start over again. To me this isn’t a right it is a duty.
What a definitive statement of the core meaning of the Second Amendment! The individual right to self-defense is, of course, important, and implied in the overall concept of the Second Amendment, but Jefferson's quote exposes the utter absurdity of those who would try justify the banning of military-appropriate (i.e. militia-appropriate) weapons.
In the context of the Founders' knowledge and the debates which enveloped their time, "gun-controllers" who willingly embrace such patently Tyrannical concepts, such as the banning of "assault weapons, MUST be called out, identified, and branded as the Tyrants that they are.
That will only be decided post revolution.
Hate to point out the obvious, but i do (often). Could someone please explain how the dreamer could not understand this (very touching -except the idea of christian roots in the fathers) dream?”
Did you use a time machine to find that post?
LOL
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