Email from Wisconsin Teacher

email | 02/22/2011 | email

[Eska]

I told it to the wife for a harr, a spec ed & grade school teacher; She's sitting at the dining room table doing school work for two new home schoolers who are being dumped back in the public school for a few months now that benchmarks are approaching.

Seriously though, wife and I both have our certs; both been Reg Repubs many years, and both support Wisc . Gov's mission to put the NEA back in it's proper place. It would be so nice to be paying over a gran/yr to a responsible union that wasn't so ultra left wing.

Honestly though, people will never see the entire picture until they spend time in the classroom.

[4rcane]

I prefer a different salary calculator. How about every week or month, we test the students and give out salary based on the result of the students as opposed to a salary based on baby-sitting that is calculated by hours. If the teachers really care for the students, then they would support my idea

[oldbrowser]

In fact, it looks lame because EVERYBODY knows the unions are financing all of this.

Why pay $1.32/hour at public school when private school will do a better job of teaching for about half of that.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Dear lazy ass teacher,

I work 240 days a year and get TWO WEEKS vacation, you work 180 days and get about three months vacation.

I actually have to produce a valuable product to keep my job. If half of my projects were total failures like half of the high school graduates are, I would have lost my job within 6 months. As it is, you can continue to churn out idiots that can barely sign their welfare check and you keep your job year after year!

I have to pay over half of my retirement benefits and I have to make smart investments to make sure that it will be there when I retire. You are whining because the government wants you to go from contributing NOTHING to contributing a paltry 5.8%. In other words, for every $580 you contribute to your own retirement, the TAXPAYERS are on the hook for $9420. If I was offered that kind of deal, I would be thrilled, yet you whine. BTW, the Rats didn’t actually fund your retirement. Instead they relied on future taxes to pay them. Surprised? I don’t know why, you have known that this was true for decades.

Let’s face it, you don’t really give a crap about the semi literate children you propose to care for. If you did, you would be in the classroom teaching them as much as they can learn instead of complaining that your Democrat loving union was going to lose power.

The truth is that the golden goose that unions have been robbing for decades has stopped laying golden eggs and it is time to face up to that fact. Your short sightedness about getting what you want TODAY very may well cause the state to have to default.

So instead of whining, grow up.

[the_Watchman]

It takes more than correct math to make a business plan. This particular plan one major missing component and at least one major non sequitur.

The major missing component is that no monies have been allocated to the capital; i.e., the facilities. This is an interesting omission since it is the same flaw introduced by Karl Marx; i.e., the party which provides the tools or the organization does not deserve monetary remuneration.

The non sequitur is multiplying “babysitting” costs by the number of students. That doesn’t happen to be the cash flow which pays teachers. And again, they overlook the overhead of the administration as well as cost of books and materials.

[oldbrowser]

without ruining their minds.

[TASMANIANRED]

Deduct 10% for each student that can’t read proficiently.

[LoneRangerMassachusetts]

I’ve seen several of these on Facebook posts and have been having trouble coming up with a good reply.

Economy of scale. Might be too weighty for teachers to comprehend.

[4rcane]

nice idea. Salary based on results and also a metric to determine how well much the teachers care for the students. Those who care the most, will obviously get students with higher grades, thus deserve higher pay

[creeping death]

Thanks. I’m trying to figure out a way to respond to this because the assumption it makes is absurd.

[The Cajun]

Great answer.
These *teachers* are really children who have never left *school* and never took a shot at what it's like to grow up.

[smokingfrog]

We don’t pay teachers on a per student basis.

And if they had 30 students in every class they’d be screaming about it.

Besides, it’s not just the parents of students that are paying for education. Everyone that pays taxes pays the teacher’s salaries and benefits, along with all the administrative costs.

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from http://www.wistax.org/news_releases/2010/1101.html

Average superintendent salaries varied widely, from less than $90,000 in Augusta, Florence, Wheatland J1, Cameron, Phillips, and Wauzeka-Steuben to more than $170,000 in Madison, Green Bay, Racine, Milwaukee, and Whitefish Bay. When benefits were added, districts with the highest superintendent compensation were Madison ($256,715), Milwaukee ($243,365), Green Bay ($239,700), Franklin ($236,573), and Hamilton ($218,617).

School districts in Wisconsin employed nearly 1,750 principals, with 39 serving in that position in more than one school and six in more than two. The average principal was 48 years old, although nearly 20% were less than 40 and about a quarter were 55 or older. For full-time principals, the average salary was $90,966 and average benefits topped $36,000. Principal salaries varied widely, from less than $70,000 in Kickapoo, Crivitz, Weyerhaeuser, Cuba City, and North Crawford to more than $105,000 in Whitefish Bay, Arrowhead, Hamilton, Hortonville, and Mequon-Thiensville.

Salaries and benefits for all administrators statewide averaged $522 per student and 8.3% of operational costs. Administrator compensation averaged about 57% of all administrative costs, WISTAX said.

[redhead]

My ex-daughter-in-law figured this out years ago. So, she opened a day-care. Now, she’s a millionaire.

[JoeRed]

Indeed. The initial cost of the school is roughly $10 million dollars. The cost per year to run the school is about $10,000 per student. Multiply that times 30 students and her figure of $280,000 would save taxpayers $20,000 per year. Then again, I’m a product of public education so I may be way off.

[ebersole]

Thanks for the link...a very good read

[yadent]

They could all be due $1,000/hr, but alas there is no mo’ money. No money means end of discussion. It was a nice ride while it lasted but the horses are dead.

[4rcane]

Assuming you really want to argue with them seriously

Here’s their basic math
6.5 hrs x $3
$19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.
That’s $585 X 180= $105,300

My first question would be. Why $3? Why not $2?, $1 or 50c?
$2 will give $70,200
$1 will give $35,100
50c will give $17,550

[4rcane]

Then if they came up with a response to the $3 question, my 2nd question would be

A Mcdonald sales person deals with 100 person hour per hour. If we plug in their $3 into their salary calculator

Here’s their basic math
6.5 hrs x $3
$19.50 x 100 = $585.00 a day.
That’s $585 X 180= $351,000

So should each worker get paid $351,000 minimum? Since most of the work more than 6.5hrs and more than 180 days a year. Its likely their salary will exceed $351,000.

If Mcdonald pay each worker minimum $351,000, minus revenue they make each year. How long before Mcdonald go bankrupt?