Posted on 02/22/2011 8:22:54 PM PST by Space Moose
Would you believe that I saw some of this on a FB post from a hardcore lib I am still somehow friends with and she was apparently supportive of the Gov?
These stupid chain mails insult one's intelligence. Teaching 30 kids is not 30 times as much work as teaching one kid.
The fallacy Is here:
Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that’s $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.
And they are perfectly free to find 30 students whose parents are willing to pay them $1.42 an hour.
However, that’s not what we’re offering. We’re offering a reasonable wage, an almost 2:1 match of your retirement plan contributions, and health insurance that we’ll subsidize by 88% - you’ll only have to pay 12% - a third of what other companies charge.
So, do you want the job or not? I have a lot of others waiting...
I see they think so highly of the students. I dare them to package the product they are trying to sell and demanding significant benefits to the public as “babysitting.” How about all the property tax that property owners have paid be returned to the rightful owners, and then the owners who want to use their property tax for education, choose private or public sector for their “babysitting” needs. No need for those without children who own homes or property, to continue to feed those at the public trough
“they even EDUCATE your kids!”
Really? Is that why nearly half of high school graduates are functionally illiterate?
This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.
Them that can do them that can’t teech! Sorry U went publick
scool.
Or, to put it another way, as any marketer knows, you can’t sell on value when everyone is buying on price.
I’ve seen several of these on Facebook posts and have been having trouble coming up with a good reply.
It all depends on what the meaning of the word EDUCATE is, is.
why should someone who have masters degree get higher pay? Just wondering. Someone who have master degree may increase your chances of getting hired, but why should they get paid MORE? Their work is the same as one who don’t have a master degree
That is a really crappy analogy. It is like saying a retail sales clerk only makes about 1c per customer based on how many customers they deal with. The flaw in this is their admission that their job is to babysit, it isn’t but they treat it as such. Their job is to produce results- education.
Let’s look, for example, another analogy. In private industry, a corporate trainer for a Fortune 500 company averages about the same annual salary as a teacher without the time off. They have very similar job functions and requirements. That corporate trainer usually puts in 70-80 hours per week in prep and studying for their next class because their normal 40 hours are spent almost 100% in the classroom. They can often average anywhere from 20-50 people in a classroom or more, with no government nanny telling their employer they can only have 15 or so students. A corporate trainer not only has to have the skills of a trainer, but of an IT technician, customer service rep, sales rep, janitor, and whatever other duty they need to complete their job. Many corporate trainers even have doctorate degrees and are paying off student loans in the tens of thousands of dollars.
Because Corporate Trainers are generally ‘exempt’ employees, they have no unions protecting(sic) them.
If a corporate trainer walks out to protest, he or she is fired. If a corporate trainer supplies a fraudulent doctors note, he or she is fired. If a corporate trainer steals company resources such as using a corporate travel card for non-company business, such as traveling to a protest, not only is he or she fired, but he or she could also face criminal charges.
So cry me a river teachers. Welcome to life.
(and for disclosure, my wife is a teacher, albeit, she left the public school system last semester because of the politics).
But, in the real world, the true value of anything is nothing more or less than what someone else thinks it's worth, not "what you think it's worth," or "how many hours you put into it at whatever rate per hour you figure you should earn."
Reality is a bitch, sometimes.
(This is also, by the way, the fundamental flaw and fallacy underlying Marxist economic theory. In case you ever wondered exactly why it was so #$%@#@! wrong.)
This post at the Classical Values blog by SF author Sarah Hoyt describes it about as well and as succinctly as I've seen anywhere.
I know I've even in the past using a semi-Marxist work-value analysis on occasion . . . before I really understood why it was so effing stupid . . .
Read it again, assume the sarcasm.
There are union janitors that make more than governors of their own state in which they reside.
Now I understand why teachers need the unions to bargain on their behalf.
I thought that it was pretty well written and thought out but I hope Obama doesn't see it....Let's see....300,000,000 people for a lousy 400,000 per year. Maybe he needs to join the presidents union...can you imagine what we'd have to pay that joker???I don't want to cut teachers pay, but I also don't want them to have the power to negotiate ANYTHING other than their pay. If I offer you a job, we can discuss pay but I alone will determine vacation, pension, hours, duties...not negotiable, either take the job or take a hike.
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