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Apple under fire for approving(Exodus International)app that claims to cure homosexuality
Yahoo! News ^ | Brett Michael Dykes

Posted on 03/22/2011 9:18:13 AM PDT by greatdefender

"There's an app for that."

The catchphrase coined by Apple and their advertising gurus to sell iPhones and iPads has become so ubiquitous that it's even been parodied on Sesame Street. Still, few would have ever thought that the tech giant—which, like many other Silicon Valley concerns, boasts a progressive profile on many cultural issues, and extends domestic-partner benefits to gay and lesbian employees—would condone an app that purports to "cure" homosexuality. It would seem an even greater stretch for Apple and company founder and CEO Steve Jobs to make such an application available through its iTunes store.

Yet the app—by a ministry group called Exodus International—is right there, along the thousands of other iPhone apps available to plugged in Apple users. And this appears to be the point at which many of Apple's cultish fans—including plenty of gay activists—are drawing the line. No, they say: There's not actually an app for that.

The Exodus ministry seeks to promote the "ex-gay" movement—promulgating the testimony of people who claim to have been cured of homosexuality through Christ. The target audience for the smart-phone app, its makers say, are "homosexual strugglers." The idea is to teach gay people that they have a choice when it comes to their sexuality, a choice to choose "freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus."

Of course, providing a tech platform for a particular spiritual or ideological movement doesn't signify an endorsement of its point of view. At the same time, however, as Gawker's Ryan Tate noted during an earlier controversy over a gay-themed app, "every time Apple approves an app, it implies moral endorsement of the

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And since average Apple user is younger and more culturally tolerant of homosexuality, word of the Exodus app has sparked a fast-growing protest As of this writing, more than 100,000 people have signed a Change.org petition calling on Apple to abolish it. What's more, some who've purchased it are somewhat baffled by it
1 posted on 03/22/2011 9:18:22 AM PDT by greatdefender
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To: greatdefender

Apple is the world’s premier public corporation. What kind of priority should we expect them to give to crazy claims like this one?


2 posted on 03/22/2011 9:21:31 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: greatdefender
Does it show a picture of Elton John naked?

That would cure them!

3 posted on 03/22/2011 9:22:00 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: greatdefender

Cure homosexuality? Can a heterosexual be changed into a queer? Are these things as easily interchangeable as all that?


4 posted on 03/22/2011 9:22:20 AM PDT by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 32 lbs in 5 weeks)
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To: narses

PING!


5 posted on 03/22/2011 9:22:39 AM PDT by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: greatdefender
Funny...

Homosexual get as angry about ex-Homosexual as Muslims get as angry about ex-Muslims

6 posted on 03/22/2011 9:24:14 AM PDT by tophat9000 (.............................. BP + BO = BS ...........................Formula for a disaster...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Same with this one:


8 posted on 03/22/2011 9:28:10 AM PDT by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: greatdefender
And since average Apple user is younger and more culturally tolerant of homosexuality, word of the Exodus app has sparked a fast-growing protest As of this writing, more than 100,000 people have signed a Change.org petition calling on Apple to abolish it.

Am I the only one who finds this ironic? The whole claim of Christianity is that He enacted the biggest and most Earth-shaking Change[.org] ever: the cutting of the chains of sin's enslavement of man.

9 posted on 03/22/2011 9:30:59 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Grunthor
"Cure homosexuality?"

It is sinful behavior, (like drunkeness or over-eating) and can be alleviated by faith in Jesus Christ and the power of His healing grace.
People are predisposed to all kinds of behaviors - doesn't mean we have to live our life like that,(esp. when God is quite clear how He wants us to behave and not behave).

10 posted on 03/22/2011 9:36:43 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: greatdefender
I think that one would just make you go blind, as an act of mercy.
11 posted on 03/22/2011 9:37:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: greatdefender

So the homosexuals are opposed to somebody choosing their own sexuality. How bigoted and heterophobic.


12 posted on 03/22/2011 9:38:55 AM PDT by Jane Austen (Boycott the Philadelphia Eagles!)
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To: Grunthor
Cure homosexuality? Can a heterosexual be changed into a queer? Are these things as easily interchangeable as all that?..

You tell me... can you choose who you will be or are you a slave to your instincts and feelings.....It seem that homosexuals have adopt something similar to to the black/ white "One drop of blood" test...your gay if you ever has one confused feeling

The truth is all build two sexual model in their head ...What they want... and ... What they want to be ...

Some kid confused for even a moment even a bit of ...what they want to be... with.. what they want... and today "enlighten" say their gay

13 posted on 03/22/2011 9:44:08 AM PDT by tophat9000 (.............................. BP + BO = BS ...........................Formula for a disaster...)
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To: Grunthor

“Can a heterosexual be changed into a queer?”

You’d be supprised by what a male homosapian will will do considering opportunity or lack of.


14 posted on 03/22/2011 9:48:59 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Grunthor
Cure homosexuality? Can a heterosexual be changed into a queer? Are these things as easily interchangeable as all that?

We need to be careful inferring something is easy just because there's a cure.

To put it mildly, our sexuality is quite complex. What I find so interesting is science still doesn't support the born-that-way theory; rather, science supports environment as a major factor in determining our sexuality.

If only we (the nation, the world) could discuss the facts without the politics.

15 posted on 03/22/2011 9:53:45 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter

I believe it is likely more nurture than nature but I also believe that people that say being gay is a choice are wrong, (not bad or evil, just wrong) because I have yet to hear any straight person (myself included) tell me when they made the conscious choice to be straight.


16 posted on 03/22/2011 9:57:49 AM PDT by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 32 lbs in 5 weeks)
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To: Grunthor

Does Apple have a Bible app?
If so they already carry an app to cure homosexuality.
The details are right in the Bible


17 posted on 03/22/2011 10:08:47 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: Swordmaker

ping


18 posted on 03/22/2011 10:09:25 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: Grunthor
...but I also believe that people that say being gay is a choice are wrong, (not bad or evil, just wrong) because I have yet to hear any straight person (myself included) tell me when they made the conscious choice to be straight.

That's an important point many talk right over. I think if people slowed down long enough to discuss the issues, there would more light than heat generated and I also think many or most would agree with you.

Where the confusion stems, I believe, is that many mean the behaviour is a choice, not the same-sex-attraction and when they don't clarify their position they lose some of their audience.

Now, I have to clarify something myself. When I say same-sex-attraction isn't a choice, I mean that for most cases. The only reason I bring this up is because there is an adamant group who claim to have chosen their same-sex-attraction. I'm referring to the Queer by Choice group.

For the vast majority of those with same-sex-attraction, I believe the evidence supports it's not something they choose, but at the same time they are not born-that-way. It's not a topic that can be easily understood with only a cursory look at the evidence.

19 posted on 03/22/2011 10:19:49 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

That’s odd because I grew up with two kids, one male and one female, on my street. Both attended church, were well versed in the Bible.

Both are gay, and Gordon (the male) just “married” his....boyfriend somewhere back east.


20 posted on 03/22/2011 10:20:40 AM PDT by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 32 lbs in 5 weeks)
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To: scripter

“Where the confusion stems, I believe, is that many mean the behaviour is a choice, not the same-sex-attraction”

I can accept that. These conversations frequently devolve into silly arguments due mainly to misunderstandings. When it starts getting rude, I generally shut up and go away. I don’t worry enough about the subject to want to fight about it.


21 posted on 03/22/2011 10:23:56 AM PDT by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 32 lbs in 5 weeks)
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To: Grunthor
...Can a heterosexual be changed into a queer?...

Yep - it's called desensitization.

22 posted on 03/22/2011 10:32:47 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Grunthor

Yes. Good friends of mine who had relationships with women; met some new friends. Both ended their relationships and ended up with boys. One is still with the same guy; the other regrets giving up the girl (she was a great gal with money), lives alone and has guys moving in and out ever couple of months.

Cureable? If everyone had stayed in the closet, these guys would be married with kids. Would they go back? Probably not; but could, I think.


23 posted on 03/22/2011 10:59:48 AM PDT by MikeyB806
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To: Grunthor

Current research suggests that the moment of choice is not always a conscious one. What straight guy is going to admit that he chose being straight; that would mean he’d have to admit he considered being a homo. WHo would admit that?


24 posted on 03/22/2011 11:03:06 AM PDT by MikeyB806
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To: MikeyB806

Your friends are or were most likely bi-sexual.


25 posted on 03/22/2011 11:04:34 AM PDT by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 32 lbs in 5 weeks)
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To: Grunthor
Cure homosexuality? Can a heterosexual be changed into a queer? Are these things as easily interchangeable as all that?


26 posted on 03/22/2011 11:10:35 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: Grunthor
Cure homosexuality? Can a heterosexual be changed into a queer? Are these things as easily interchangeable as all that?

Homosexuality is a behavior. You should become familiar with former homosexuals who find religion, give up that life and now speak out against it.
27 posted on 03/22/2011 11:13:54 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Grunthor

“Bisexual” and “homosexual” are made-up terms for the purposes of forming a class.

No one is born one way or the other; sexuality is socialized behavior, subject to environmental influences. Theoretically we could all be taught to be one way or the other (and there are societies, e.g., ancient Greece, where this was the case). My friends were socialized to be heterosexuals but open to experimentation. They weren’t born “bisexual,” “heterosexual” or otherwise. They switched from one socialized preference to another; but for the acceptance of homosexuality and a more welcoming society, these guys would not be practicing homosexuals today.


28 posted on 03/22/2011 11:14:10 AM PDT by MikeyB806
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To: greatdefender
Homosexuals are truly the antithesis of what they claim to be.
29 posted on 03/22/2011 11:19:49 AM PDT by fwdude (The world is sleeping in the dark that the Church just can't fight, 'cause it's asleep in the light.)
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To: scripter

The US is a presumed heterosexual society. The presumption is that we are all going to be straight: our parents, family, friends, acquaintences assume as much from the day that we’re born. We therefore all start as straight; that’s why you don’t hear of anyone choosing to be straight, because for all intents and purposes, we’re all “born” straight. When environmental forces (conscious or not) change our socialized preference, that’s when people become/choose homosexuality, bisexuality, etc....


30 posted on 03/22/2011 11:19:48 AM PDT by MikeyB806
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To: greatdefender; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; 50mm; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; ...
Gay groups demand Apple remove "anti-gay" app from the App Store—PING!

Please, No Flame Wars, Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!

Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!


Apple under Gay Fire Ping!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

31 posted on 03/22/2011 11:25:29 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Grunthor
That’s odd because I grew up with two kids, one male and one female, on my street. Both attended church, were well versed in the Bible. Both are gay, and Gordon (the male) just “married” his....boyfriend somewhere back east.

The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried. - G. K. Chesterton

32 posted on 03/22/2011 11:34:02 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: frogjerk

Oh I agree with you but my post was in response to a post that claimed that simply being exposed to the Word would cure or keep someone from becoming gay.


33 posted on 03/22/2011 11:48:29 AM PDT by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 32 lbs in 5 weeks)
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To: Swordmaker
Powerlineblog is undergoing a kernel panic..
34 posted on 03/22/2011 11:53:16 AM PDT by Loud Mime (If it is too stupid to be said, people will listen to it, if sung - - Voltaire)
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To: Grunthor
I believe it is likely more nurture than nature but I also believe that people that say being gay is a choice are wrong, (not bad or evil, just wrong) because I have yet to hear any straight person (myself included) tell me when they made the conscious choice to be straight.

My own view is that it's a fetish, much like any other, and that it is very strong. I don't suppose that anybody makes single decision at any point in time to suddenly acquire some fetish (like... say... feet). But I don't think people are born with intact fetishes either. I think it's the result of a long process of both conscious and unconscious conditioning of the mind, over a lifetime.

It's not that people "choose" to favor boobs and some favor butts. Or that anyone "chooses" to be into bondage or whatever else turns them on. But over time, those things have developed and formed into a set of preferences. And fetishes do evolve over time, and can diminish in favor of something totally different.

35 posted on 03/22/2011 11:58:17 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Grunthor
easily interchangeable

Easily? Who said anything about degree of difficulty?

Do you have a narrative that requires that jump?

I have never read anyone but a novice say fighting sin personally or otherwise was easy.

36 posted on 03/22/2011 11:58:43 AM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: Grunthor

abnormal behavior.

see prison population behavior.

can a thief stop stealing? that behavior changes.

It is really simple. One behavior is biologically normal and produces results which society rewards.

The other does nothing for society.


37 posted on 03/22/2011 12:03:36 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Grunthor

A “cure” for homosexuality... not quite what folks want to think. While I believe homosexuality is a “disease” - it really is a choice.

Just as true alcoholics have a disease - but can be “cured” - its all about DECISIONS.

I’m not familiar with the organization that put out the app in question, but in my own views (and I believe they are biblical)- People are “born” with all sorts of proclivities (Gods’ word says ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God). For some, the tendency is towards addictive behavior (sex, drugs, alcohol, etc.). For others, it may be towards specific and unnatural sexual attractions (homosexuality, masochism, etc.). As well - some may be inclined to steal... and so-on. But God’s word doesn’t distinguish, except that ALL sin is to be rejected - put off with the “old man”. God WILL give the strength and ability to stop such sinful behavior if one truly desires to be obedient and free from the horrible burden that sin causes. Practicing homosexual have access to the exact same grace that everyone else is - we just have to accept it and “put off” the old sin.

Life is all about decisions. Really - the only difference between homosexuality and most other sins identified in God’s Word - Few cities were destroyed primarily because of one identified sin (though Sodom and Gomorrah were filled w/sin - the homosexual mobs just were the most visible and obvious outward sign).

And regardless of the terminology used - any group that has a goal of helping people to make better/the right choices in life is a good thing.


38 posted on 03/22/2011 12:38:00 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: greatdefender

This is where we find out how gay the Apple org is. Whether they will cave into gay morons and their fellow travelers. My bet is they will. Gay bois are Apple fanbois


39 posted on 03/22/2011 12:44:57 PM PDT by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: Grunthor
Oh I agree with you but my post was in response to a post that claimed that simply being exposed to the Word would cure or keep someone from becoming gay.

The post you responded to (#17) said nothing of the kind.

You made that up in order to justify the response you wanted to make which you knew wouldn't quite fit.

Your anecdote about two people who chose sin over the Bible is hardly anything new or surprising. What is new is the scramble in America to openly mock the Bible and sin twenty four hours a day. Twisting the Bible or the words of those who refer to the Bible is standard modern liberal behavior as I am sure you well know.

I am sorry the two people made the wrong choice even after hearing the truth but indulgence in sin is what this culture preaches; a trend that was specifically warned about for fifty years by conservatives who believed the Bible.

40 posted on 03/22/2011 12:50:59 PM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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In the 60's and before, I think your statements were more accurate than they are now. But today I don't think there is such a presumption. I'd love to be wrong, it's just the direction I see our culture heading since the 70's.

I think it's accurate to say we're born straight, as biology certainly attests to being born straight as well as other areas of science and environmental forces.

My profile has a lot of information on the subject.

41 posted on 03/22/2011 1:20:40 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
If so they already carry an app to cure homosexuality. The details are right in the Bible

Romans I calls them "reprobate." The Bible teaches they are "given up", "given over", and thus beyond cure, along with those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29) and those "who take away from the words of the book of this prophesy" (Rev 22:19), God shall take his part out of the book of life. If one's name is not found in the book of life, ...

42 posted on 03/22/2011 1:44:13 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Old Landmarks; Grunthor

If you follow the progression of posts starting with post 4, you can see what he means.


43 posted on 03/22/2011 1:50:04 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: dennisw

I didn’t know your opinion of the ‘Apple org’ was in doubt.


44 posted on 03/22/2011 2:14:04 PM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: scripter; Grunthor
If you follow the progression of posts starting with post 4, you can see what he means.

I am aware of his false assertion beginning in post 4, which I responded to in post 36.

45 posted on 03/22/2011 2:31:40 PM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: nonsporting
Fortunately the Bible says that even homosexuals can repent and some do repent. 1Corintians 6:9-11 (such were some of you)

The Bible however does say as you point out so well (excellent graphic) that there will be those who continue to live and promote gross sin such as homosexuality.

Some people on FR need to understand that the acceptance of or indifference toward homosexuality is horribly destructive and is symptomatic of a perverse culture that is on its last legs of rebellion against God.

46 posted on 03/22/2011 2:42:32 PM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: Grunthor
A parallel would be an addict leaving drugs or alcohol.

It does happen, often without any sort of program.

47 posted on 03/22/2011 3:07:24 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Old Landmarks; Grunthor
Yes, you did respond, but your post 40 is taking his comment out of the context of the progression of posts. And then you said he made up a comment to justify his post. Rather than saying Grunthor made something up, I think asking for clarification would have been better.

Years ago I was involved with the homosexual agenda threads quite extensively. Since then I've lost interest and I also tired of people assuming the worst if they didn't agree 100% with others. And for that some freepers think I'm liberal on the issue of homosexuality, and one freeper is so confused she's sure I sell videos on the subject. My profile speaks volumes.

I fail all the time but still try to show more mercy and grace than condemnation.

48 posted on 03/22/2011 3:44:53 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

It’s a matter of degree how gay sympathetic Apple Inc is


49 posted on 03/22/2011 4:24:08 PM PDT by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: Old Landmarks
Fortunately the Bible says that even homosexuals can repent and some do repent. 1Corintians 6:9-11 (such were some of you)

The Bible does not contradict itself. If it does, it is not the Word of God. I know that the modern translations render "malakoi" (masc. plural) and "arsenokoitai" (fem. plural) as "male prostitutes" and "sodomites", but there are no other usages within the NT to comfirm. It seems unlikely that such translations are correct in light of Romans 1:28 which makes it clear that such are "reprobate" and "given over", "given up" by God. Clearly "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai" whatever they mean can be saved. The KJV translates "malakoi" as "effeminate" ("marked by weakness and excessive refinement--ladies' men?) and "arsenokoitai" as "abusers of themselves with mankind" (women who hop from bed to bed?). If Paul had meant active/passive homosexuals, male or female, he could have used other Greek terms and phrases.

I didn't want to believe it at first, but true sodomites who burn for members of the same sex have reached a stage of their depravity where God ceases to strive with them and gives them up. (see Romans 1:18-32). They are reprobate (see "reprobate silver", rejected--Jeremiah 6:30 "Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord and rejected them.). We see here that "reprobate" means "rejected".

What do you mean by "repent"? What saves is "belief on/in the Lord Jesus Christ", not "repenting [from sin]"--a work. See Jonah 3:10--"And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented from the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not." Now, if they change their minds (repent), change from unbelief to belief ("that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ." Acts 2:36-38), then they shall be saved. "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18)

It is a terrifying picture which emphasizes that the lost have an unimaginable eternity in store for them.

50 posted on 03/22/2011 4:44:36 PM PDT by nonsporting
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