Skip to comments.Apple under fire for approving(Exodus International)app that claims to cure homosexuality
Posted on 03/22/2011 9:18:13 AM PDT by greatdefender
"There's an app for that."
The catchphrase coined by Apple and their advertising gurus to sell iPhones and iPads has become so ubiquitous that it's even been parodied on Sesame Street. Still, few would have ever thought that the tech giantwhich, like many other Silicon Valley concerns, boasts a progressive profile on many cultural issues, and extends domestic-partner benefits to gay and lesbian employeeswould condone an app that purports to "cure" homosexuality. It would seem an even greater stretch for Apple and company founder and CEO Steve Jobs to make such an application available through its iTunes store.
Yet the appby a ministry group called Exodus Internationalis right there, along the thousands of other iPhone apps available to plugged in Apple users. And this appears to be the point at which many of Apple's cultish fansincluding plenty of gay activistsare drawing the line. No, they say: There's not actually an app for that.
The Exodus ministry seeks to promote the "ex-gay" movementpromulgating the testimony of people who claim to have been cured of homosexuality through Christ. The target audience for the smart-phone app, its makers say, are "homosexual strugglers." The idea is to teach gay people that they have a choice when it comes to their sexuality, a choice to choose "freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus."
Of course, providing a tech platform for a particular spiritual or ideological movement doesn't signify an endorsement of its point of view. At the same time, however, as Gawker's Ryan Tate noted during an earlier controversy over a gay-themed app, "every time Apple approves an app, it implies moral endorsement of the
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Apple is the world’s premier public corporation. What kind of priority should we expect them to give to crazy claims like this one?
That would cure them!
Cure homosexuality? Can a heterosexual be changed into a queer? Are these things as easily interchangeable as all that?
Homosexual get as angry about ex-Homosexual as Muslims get as angry about ex-Muslims
Am I the only one who finds this ironic? The whole claim of Christianity is that He enacted the biggest and most Earth-shaking Change[.org] ever: the cutting of the chains of sin's enslavement of man.
It is sinful behavior, (like drunkeness or over-eating) and can be alleviated by faith in Jesus Christ and the power of His healing grace.
People are predisposed to all kinds of behaviors - doesn't mean we have to live our life like that,(esp. when God is quite clear how He wants us to behave and not behave).
So the homosexuals are opposed to somebody choosing their own sexuality. How bigoted and heterophobic.
You tell me... can you choose who you will be or are you a slave to your instincts and feelings.....It seem that homosexuals have adopt something similar to to the black/ white "One drop of blood" test...your gay if you ever has one confused feeling
The truth is all build two sexual model in their head ...What they want... and ... What they want to be ...
Some kid confused for even a moment even a bit of ...what they want to be... with.. what they want... and today "enlighten" say their gay
“Can a heterosexual be changed into a queer?”
You’d be supprised by what a male homosapian will will do considering opportunity or lack of.
We need to be careful inferring something is easy just because there's a cure.
To put it mildly, our sexuality is quite complex. What I find so interesting is science still doesn't support the born-that-way theory; rather, science supports environment as a major factor in determining our sexuality.
If only we (the nation, the world) could discuss the facts without the politics.
I believe it is likely more nurture than nature but I also believe that people that say being gay is a choice are wrong, (not bad or evil, just wrong) because I have yet to hear any straight person (myself included) tell me when they made the conscious choice to be straight.
Does Apple have a Bible app?
If so they already carry an app to cure homosexuality.
The details are right in the Bible
That's an important point many talk right over. I think if people slowed down long enough to discuss the issues, there would more light than heat generated and I also think many or most would agree with you.
Where the confusion stems, I believe, is that many mean the behaviour is a choice, not the same-sex-attraction and when they don't clarify their position they lose some of their audience.
Now, I have to clarify something myself. When I say same-sex-attraction isn't a choice, I mean that for most cases. The only reason I bring this up is because there is an adamant group who claim to have chosen their same-sex-attraction. I'm referring to the Queer by Choice group.
For the vast majority of those with same-sex-attraction, I believe the evidence supports it's not something they choose, but at the same time they are not born-that-way. It's not a topic that can be easily understood with only a cursory look at the evidence.
That’s odd because I grew up with two kids, one male and one female, on my street. Both attended church, were well versed in the Bible.
Both are gay, and Gordon (the male) just “married” his....boyfriend somewhere back east.
“Where the confusion stems, I believe, is that many mean the behaviour is a choice, not the same-sex-attraction”
I can accept that. These conversations frequently devolve into silly arguments due mainly to misunderstandings. When it starts getting rude, I generally shut up and go away. I don’t worry enough about the subject to want to fight about it.
Yep - it's called desensitization.
Yes. Good friends of mine who had relationships with women; met some new friends. Both ended their relationships and ended up with boys. One is still with the same guy; the other regrets giving up the girl (she was a great gal with money), lives alone and has guys moving in and out ever couple of months.
Cureable? If everyone had stayed in the closet, these guys would be married with kids. Would they go back? Probably not; but could, I think.
Current research suggests that the moment of choice is not always a conscious one. What straight guy is going to admit that he chose being straight; that would mean he’d have to admit he considered being a homo. WHo would admit that?
Your friends are or were most likely bi-sexual.
“Bisexual” and “homosexual” are made-up terms for the purposes of forming a class.
No one is born one way or the other; sexuality is socialized behavior, subject to environmental influences. Theoretically we could all be taught to be one way or the other (and there are societies, e.g., ancient Greece, where this was the case). My friends were socialized to be heterosexuals but open to experimentation. They weren’t born “bisexual,” “heterosexual” or otherwise. They switched from one socialized preference to another; but for the acceptance of homosexuality and a more welcoming society, these guys would not be practicing homosexuals today.
The US is a presumed heterosexual society. The presumption is that we are all going to be straight: our parents, family, friends, acquaintences assume as much from the day that we’re born. We therefore all start as straight; that’s why you don’t hear of anyone choosing to be straight, because for all intents and purposes, we’re all “born” straight. When environmental forces (conscious or not) change our socialized preference, that’s when people become/choose homosexuality, bisexuality, etc....
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Oh I agree with you but my post was in response to a post that claimed that simply being exposed to the Word would cure or keep someone from becoming gay.
My own view is that it's a fetish, much like any other, and that it is very strong. I don't suppose that anybody makes single decision at any point in time to suddenly acquire some fetish (like... say... feet). But I don't think people are born with intact fetishes either. I think it's the result of a long process of both conscious and unconscious conditioning of the mind, over a lifetime.
It's not that people "choose" to favor boobs and some favor butts. Or that anyone "chooses" to be into bondage or whatever else turns them on. But over time, those things have developed and formed into a set of preferences. And fetishes do evolve over time, and can diminish in favor of something totally different.
Easily? Who said anything about degree of difficulty?
Do you have a narrative that requires that jump?
I have never read anyone but a novice say fighting sin personally or otherwise was easy.
see prison population behavior.
can a thief stop stealing? that behavior changes.
It is really simple. One behavior is biologically normal and produces results which society rewards.
The other does nothing for society.
A “cure” for homosexuality... not quite what folks want to think. While I believe homosexuality is a “disease” - it really is a choice.
Just as true alcoholics have a disease - but can be “cured” - its all about DECISIONS.
I’m not familiar with the organization that put out the app in question, but in my own views (and I believe they are biblical)- People are “born” with all sorts of proclivities (Gods’ word says ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God). For some, the tendency is towards addictive behavior (sex, drugs, alcohol, etc.). For others, it may be towards specific and unnatural sexual attractions (homosexuality, masochism, etc.). As well - some may be inclined to steal... and so-on. But God’s word doesn’t distinguish, except that ALL sin is to be rejected - put off with the “old man”. God WILL give the strength and ability to stop such sinful behavior if one truly desires to be obedient and free from the horrible burden that sin causes. Practicing homosexual have access to the exact same grace that everyone else is - we just have to accept it and “put off” the old sin.
Life is all about decisions. Really - the only difference between homosexuality and most other sins identified in God’s Word - Few cities were destroyed primarily because of one identified sin (though Sodom and Gomorrah were filled w/sin - the homosexual mobs just were the most visible and obvious outward sign).
And regardless of the terminology used - any group that has a goal of helping people to make better/the right choices in life is a good thing.
This is where we find out how gay the Apple org is. Whether they will cave into gay morons and their fellow travelers. My bet is they will. Gay bois are Apple fanbois
The post you responded to (#17) said nothing of the kind.
You made that up in order to justify the response you wanted to make which you knew wouldn't quite fit.
Your anecdote about two people who chose sin over the Bible is hardly anything new or surprising. What is new is the scramble in America to openly mock the Bible and sin twenty four hours a day. Twisting the Bible or the words of those who refer to the Bible is standard modern liberal behavior as I am sure you well know.
I am sorry the two people made the wrong choice even after hearing the truth but indulgence in sin is what this culture preaches; a trend that was specifically warned about for fifty years by conservatives who believed the Bible.
I think it's accurate to say we're born straight, as biology certainly attests to being born straight as well as other areas of science and environmental forces.
My profile has a lot of information on the subject.
Romans I calls them "reprobate." The Bible teaches they are "given up", "given over", and thus beyond cure, along with those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29) and those "who take away from the words of the book of this prophesy" (Rev 22:19), God shall take his part out of the book of life. If one's name is not found in the book of life, ...
If you follow the progression of posts starting with post 4, you can see what he means.
I didn’t know your opinion of the ‘Apple org’ was in doubt.
I am aware of his false assertion beginning in post 4, which I responded to in post 36.
The Bible however does say as you point out so well (excellent graphic) that there will be those who continue to live and promote gross sin such as homosexuality.
Some people on FR need to understand that the acceptance of or indifference toward homosexuality is horribly destructive and is symptomatic of a perverse culture that is on its last legs of rebellion against God.
It does happen, often without any sort of program.
Years ago I was involved with the homosexual agenda threads quite extensively. Since then I've lost interest and I also tired of people assuming the worst if they didn't agree 100% with others. And for that some freepers think I'm liberal on the issue of homosexuality, and one freeper is so confused she's sure I sell videos on the subject. My profile speaks volumes.
I fail all the time but still try to show more mercy and grace than condemnation.
It’s a matter of degree how gay sympathetic Apple Inc is
The Bible does not contradict itself. If it does, it is not the Word of God. I know that the modern translations render "malakoi" (masc. plural) and "arsenokoitai" (fem. plural) as "male prostitutes" and "sodomites", but there are no other usages within the NT to comfirm. It seems unlikely that such translations are correct in light of Romans 1:28 which makes it clear that such are "reprobate" and "given over", "given up" by God. Clearly "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai" whatever they mean can be saved. The KJV translates "malakoi" as "effeminate" ("marked by weakness and excessive refinement--ladies' men?) and "arsenokoitai" as "abusers of themselves with mankind" (women who hop from bed to bed?). If Paul had meant active/passive homosexuals, male or female, he could have used other Greek terms and phrases.
I didn't want to believe it at first, but true sodomites who burn for members of the same sex have reached a stage of their depravity where God ceases to strive with them and gives them up. (see Romans 1:18-32). They are reprobate (see "reprobate silver", rejected--Jeremiah 6:30 "Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord and rejected them.). We see here that "reprobate" means "rejected".
What do you mean by "repent"? What saves is "belief on/in the Lord Jesus Christ", not "repenting [from sin]"--a work. See Jonah 3:10--"And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented from the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not." Now, if they change their minds (repent), change from unbelief to belief ("that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ." Acts 2:36-38), then they shall be saved. "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18)
It is a terrifying picture which emphasizes that the lost have an unimaginable eternity in store for them.
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