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"Emergency Sandbag Shelter"
Cal-Earth ^ | Nader Khalili

Posted on 03/31/2011 1:50:39 PM PDT by Kartographer

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To: Kartographer

Hmmm, cute kids’ playhouse but that’s about it. IMO. YMMV. First, if it were an emergency, you wouldn’t have those supplies. Second, why build one in your backyard when you have your nice comfortable house? Third, if not in your backyard, then you’d have probably already have grabbed your bag and gotten outta of Dodge so again you wouldn’t have the supplies. If it were that big of an emergency so you’d know you wouldn’t be back for a while, on your way outta Dodge you’d have grabbed a tent so you’d already have light portable shelter. Lastly, if it were built at your Plan B site, then I’d want to already have had a more appropriate shelter built. But thanks for sharing and I did print it out for the hit the fan folder.


21 posted on 03/31/2011 2:58:46 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: No Truce With Kings
Forget wolves.

I'd be more worried about cows.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

22 posted on 03/31/2011 3:00:35 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Kartographer

bump for later read


23 posted on 03/31/2011 3:05:40 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (EPA will ruin your life)
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To: bgill

You have a earthquake your house is inhabitable. So you build one of this in your back yard. That or move in with hundreds of others in temporary house. I love sleeping on a gym floor with a few hundred people I don’t know.

Nuclear emergency as I don’t have a basement I would consider building on in my garage as protection for radiation.

As far as buging out a couple rows of barbed wire and a few hundred sand bags wouldn’t take up much room and such a structer would be a 100 times better than most tents.

But as John Wayne said: “I let people do what they want to do.”


24 posted on 03/31/2011 3:07:12 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I have never anticipated anything at all resembling “Mad Max”

I anticipate action in the continental United States more resembling what I experienced during the ‘91 war.

Small arms isn’t going to do well in an artillery and air power duel, and idiots running around armed and out of uniform are going to be assumed to be the enemy by foreward observers of all sides. Godhelp anyone who engages the uniformed forces and then thinks a building is going to protect them.


25 posted on 03/31/2011 3:10:25 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: bgill

Additionally I rather try and heat and I rather sit out a thunder storm in one of these playhouses than a tent any day.


26 posted on 03/31/2011 3:11:35 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
I've read a book about this. Very interesting. I think if I went to an earth-based house, I’m make a cob house, though.

Good for quick rebuilding!

27 posted on 03/31/2011 3:13:50 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: MrEdd
God help those without who think they can survive any emergency without adequate shelter.

And all of the basics can be summed-up in ―The Rule of Three; which says, absent sudden death (such as an accident) or terminal illness, your survival is generally contingent upon you not exceeding:
3 minutes without breathing (drowning, asphyxiation)
3 hours without shelter in an extreme environment (exposure)
3 days without water (dehydration)
3 weeks without food (starvation)
28 posted on 03/31/2011 3:17:09 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
God help those who think that any supplies or assets they have will not be commandeered as required by whatever armed forces are around in an emergency. Or that any say they plan to have in such a situation will go well for them or their survivors.

I do not plan on trying to play “Rambo” or “Red Dawn”.

I have been to war, and I hold zero delusions that those things work out in real life.

I will be back in uniform.

You might, (Just an idea) find out if there is anything written in English by those who had survivalist type places when the conflicts in South America have broken out in the last 50 years. There were a lot of those self sufficient enclaves. This is not a matter of speculation. There is fairly recent life modeling of how things go to draw upon.

Semper Fidelis

One of us is indeed having fantasies, but you are confused as to which one of us that is.

It isn't your fault entirely - you lack the life experiences to see things clearly.

29 posted on 03/31/2011 3:27:56 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: WestwardHo; Kartographer

The little domes might be very stable but the plans at post #7 — I dunno.


30 posted on 03/31/2011 3:29:27 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Kartographer

These shelters are overkill for alpha and beta radiation which can be stopped quite easily (alpha by one sheet of paper, beta by 1/2 inch thickness of paper), but poor protection for gamma radiation. To shield gamma you need 4 feet thickness of slightly damp earth or (I think) 2 feet thickness of water (it’s the hydrogen in the water that interrupts gamma).

Also, gamma travels in a straight line, so entrances should be L-shaped or even Z-shaped to also allow an alcove for clothing removal to prevent hot alpha particles from entering the shelter piggybacked on clothing.

I think one of these barbie and sandbag shelters would make an excellent garden studio. tho. What fun to paint them!


31 posted on 03/31/2011 3:33:24 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: MrEdd

You mean something like this which in in my Preparedness Manual:

From a Sarajevo War Survivor: Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.
1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold’s.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it’s the easiest to do without (unless you’re in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs enough heat to “warm”, not to cook. It’s cheap too, especially if you buy it in bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more valuable as the war continues. Sure, it’s great to have a lot of survival guides, but you’ll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you’ll have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you’re human can fade pretty fast. I can’t tell you how many people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to lose your humanity. These things are morale-
builders like nothing else.
8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches


32 posted on 03/31/2011 3:35:03 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Guess it’s all in where you’re at. With 90 degrees here in mid-March, I’d rather be in a tent or out on the ground catching whatever breeze I could.


33 posted on 03/31/2011 3:43:01 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: bgill

If you go to the site these where used in the Sudan and many places in South America. It’s actually cooler than a tent as the mass evens out the heat. And as I said its not going to blow away in the first big thunder storm that comes along. Plus as you said it’s not 90 degrees and sunny everywhere everyday.


34 posted on 03/31/2011 3:51:28 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: MrEdd
So if some one lives in hurricane alley and they have food stores, tarps, household supplies, the ability to clean water, maybe a generator building tools and supplies they are a fools? The same for people who live in areas where mega quakes are possible? And if they do the government is just going to come along with soldiers and take everything they have and then what kill them? I repeat not every emergency that can happen is an armed rebellion. In fact 99.99% of emergency that have occured in the US were not.
35 posted on 03/31/2011 4:42:26 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: MrEdd

Some of us are physically incapable of fighting openly (although there are other forms of resistance). Some have families that we’d want to keep somewhere safe while we fight. Some would just want a safe place to rest between battles, or to heal from injuries sustained in such battles.

Even soldiers have bunkers.


36 posted on 03/31/2011 4:58:17 PM PDT by Ellendra (Profanity is the mark of a conversational cripple.)
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To: pyx

I read an article written by a farmer who had made one of these, he used empty feed sacks.


37 posted on 03/31/2011 5:00:01 PM PDT by Ellendra (Profanity is the mark of a conversational cripple.)
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To: Kartographer; MrEdd

>> “ I repeat not every emergency that can happen is an armed rebellion.” <<

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It need not be an armed rebellion for the national guard to be commissioned to confiscate your stores.

Clinton and Bush1 wrote executive orders providing for exactly that to happen in any deemed “emergency.”


38 posted on 03/31/2011 5:34:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor

No one especially me don’t understand that, but it’s far less likely to happen than the likehood you will need your supplies.


39 posted on 03/31/2011 5:38:17 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer; MrEdd
I have absolutely no idea why you would be getting as much static and resistance to simple preparedness suggestions as you have been getting.

It would seem that there would also be objections to suggesting home canning and home vegetable gardening in raised beds or containers. Again, I am mystified as to why there would be objections.

Having one year of canned (jars :) ) and other food staples including jams and jellies is completely normal and has been normal for four generations in many of our families.

Having (owning) three or four acres in a clear, reasonable growing area and a reasonable supply of seeds is likewise, simply prudent planning. Homesteading and farming that land and erecting a very simple structure (adobe cement/earth bag) in case one needs or wants to, seems to be as prudent as home canning. Insurance is not used until one actually needs it.

Don't be discouraged Kartographer because you're providing a valuable source of information to many people with these postings.

Lastly, please respond to my questions in #15 above.

40 posted on 03/31/2011 9:11:50 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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