Posted on 03/31/2011 1:55:25 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
Precisely. He needs to be stopped dead in his tracks.
I hope Donald gets traction!
About the only way to salvage the situation is impeachment/ disqualification else wise we are in a handbag headed through hell.
You realize of course, that the reason Obama is so brazen in his crimes against the constitution is because the Republicans did not have the balls to convict Clinton.
Had they convicted him then the muzzie commi9es never would have even attempted to run Obama as a candidate in the first place.
That is what happens when we fail to enforce the law, we tell law breakers to do whatever they want because we will not convict. Obama is used to it though because they quit convicting thugs in Chicago years ago, and look how it is run.
Like America is today.
So there is a big part of me that will never ever feel comfortable as long as any Rino still exists in the Republican party. House cleaning in the primaries needs to continue if we are truly ever going to clean house and reverse the damage done.
That being said, a list of all crimes and misdemeanors will be a good start. A list we can get out to any and all people between now and the election in 2012. That way if we fail to impeach, at least his crimes will be well distributed.
Obama is an evil Marxist. We are dancing with the devil.
“Please add me to your ping list. Thanks!”
You’re welcome - you’re on it.
“If he is illegitimate, then EVERYTHING he has done as president is illegitimate and void. THAT is my point.”
I agree, and I understand the point.
“Grounds for impeachment are irrelevant until he establishes himself as legitimate. He has flat out refused to do this.”
I disagree; do you understand my point? He is acting as commander in chief, whether he deserves to or not. It was signed off on by those supposed to be there representing us. His commands have been followed; one man is in prison for questioning his eligibility in the military chain of command.
“Simply impeaching him now would forego the opportunity to reverse EVERYTHING that he did, leaving all of the damage he has done in-tact for decades to come.”
No it would not, unless by ‘simply impeaching’ you’re making the distinction between what the House does in the process, and what the Senate does in the process. Even if then, I’d be interested in following your lead from there on in.
“I think he knows this... and if things get too hot, he may simply resign to avoid this little problem for the dems.”
He might. Resigning wouldn’t avoid the problem if we continued to pursue it. He would then have been removed, in any event. Executive orders protecting the relevant information could then become null and void, providing the proof, one way or the other.
“Don’t you think that if it were discovered that Bush’s birth certificate was fraudulent that the dems would be pushing for reversal of all laws signed by him???
Sure they would.”
You’re apparently asking a rhetorical question, but I’ll answer it anyway: they would. So should we, should that be the case, as it seems.
Again, take the lead then and remove him before it gets to impeachment proceedings. I’ll continue to work on moving toward impeachment and support your efforts while you do so. You’re welcome to support those of us moving toward impeachment proceedings. If your efforts are successful before ours, it will save us the further effort and we’ll all be glad.
Do you remember Bill Clinton?
Sure, the leftists are caterwauling but if it came time to actually vote to impeach the anointed one...
We will have to ride out this pResidency and hope to high hell that the producers can prevail in the next. If not, then I not only predict bloodshed but know that I and others are prepared for it.
Don't get me wrong, I also recognize that you are one of the good guys!
It is an undisputed fact that he was not born to parentS who were US citizens. His father is not a US citizen.
Agreed. You and I know that, all of the former judges and lawyers sitting in Congress know that, the USSC knows that and yet it wasn’t/isn’t an issue. Why is that?
Apparently because they all agree the USSC has not yet provided a clear opinion on whether the term NBC requires two citizen parents.
If you and I do not like that, it appears we have to get it before the USSC. The quickest way is for us to insist that the House, or one of its committees applys to the court for an opinion. Which it ought to do at the same time it subpoenas HI for birth documents.
Until then, what is the basis for saying the fact his father was not a citizen is evidence of illegitimacy?
His mother was not of legal age to transmit citizenship.
Not relevant if he was born in HI. Only until you have evidence he was born outside the U.S., does it become very relevant.
Also... the burden of proof is upon Obama. NOT those challenging his credentials.
O has satisfied that burden each and every time he was asked. He or his agent signed off at the state level. The Congress did not require that he provide proof at its Joint Session, so he had no burden to satisfy.
As a matter of fact, there does not appear to be any Constitutional authority for anyone to now ask him after the fact. Recall the Georgia politician who screwed up the courage to ask, pretty sure he got blown off. Impeachment, conviction and removal appears the only remedy.
Hope this makes sense for you.
“I prefer to think of it as honest assessment of the people we have placed in office.”
I thought you might.
“Do you remember Bill Clinton?”
I’m not good at spotting rhetorical questions, especially when it’s just text online. Even in real life, I’ve earnestly answered questions amounting to, ‘are you an idiot?’ So please forgive me if this was a rhetorical question.
I do remember Bill Clinton. I think it’s safe to assume that Newt Gingrich also remembers Bill Clinton, as he was Speaker of the House at the time of Clinton’s impeachment proceedings. Newt Gingrich considered, with that knowledge, that the current office holder should be impeached, and opined publicly on that recently
“Sure, the leftists are caterwauling but if it came time to actually vote to impeach the anointed one...”
Neither of us have unimpeachable insight to what leftists think and will do in future, I would guess. Still, that’s reasonable to consider. We should proceed anyway, based on what we think we should do, and what we should do should be based on what the right thing to do is. Considering what the current office holder has done in his short time there, are you interested in waiting to see what else he’s going to do in the time before the election, especially if it seems like he’s going to lose and be out of office, or in the time after the election if he’s lost?
I’m not trying to discourage your non-participation in this. You’re welcome to contribute to it should you at some point change your mind.
“I appreciate your verve but if you expect Congress to be your weapon against Obama and the powers that control him...Well, bonne chance, mon ami, bonne chance!”
Merci, ami. I do not expect Congress to be our weapon; I expect we will at least initially have to fight to be heard. I expect when Congress is reminded what happened in November in 2010, of our long memories, of our willingness to work to oust those who don’t represent us but who are willing to take in our name the salary and the perquisites we provide them, they will either choose to be useful in representing the will of their electorate (us), choose to resist in hopes others will continue to support their political lives, or will be removed from office, from lobbyists’ attention and generosity, and from the D.C. social scene they’ve grown to love.
“We will have to ride out this pResidency and hope to high hell that the producers can prevail in the next. If not, then I not only predict bloodshed but know that I and others are prepared for it.”
We have other options besides just riding this out. We’ve hunkered down long enough already, and have seen that this actually requires action from us, not wishful thinking for the arrival of an easier future, one that, if wishing and hoping alone made it so, would already be here. If you expect and prepare for what you are saying, I know you take the seriousness of all this with gravity. So we’ll get it started, and you can just wish us well now that you’ve told us your concerns and doubts in what we can achieve, but you’re always welcome to get involved in this at some later point. And if we fail, you can always remind us that you told us it wasn’t even worth trying, and we’ll respect your foresight.
“Don’t get me wrong, I also recognize that you are one of the good guys!”
Thanks, likewise.
Your brave heart deserves and has earned my respect and admiration. At my age, hunkering down in defensive posture seems the wiser tack. Please let me know if you ever need someone to guard your flank, mon vieux.
Merci pour les compliments, et pour l’offre.
I know - I suffered through them too. It was disheartening to watch the impeachment proceedings be characterized as about out of wedlock acts involving generative organs rather than what it was really about: the perjury. This is fundamentally different, materially different. Gingrich recognizes that, having been inextricably involved then, trying to remove an otherwise very popular president. Have you been watching the current office holder’s popularity? He has set some new record lows, and he’s still on the decline. We might very well be doing not just ourselves a favor by being rid of him early, but him as well - he’d have more time for golfing and basketball, which is what he really seems interested in anyway. Plus there’s always the lecture circuit. College communists and academic anarchists are the ones who maybe love him the most anyway, and would love to hear more from him. And his wife would probably get even more book deals.
Listen, I know it can be draining. Have a sit in fresh spring air though and think about it, even if you end up coming to the same conclusion. Even if you just send letters in coordination with us, that’s something. Do whatever you can do. If getting your hopes up risks having them dashed, maybe again, don’t get your hopes up. Say a prayer for victory once in a while, not just for ending the current suffering. That’s something, even if sometimes it feels like nothing. It might come long after both of us are gone, but we’ve still got some time here to see.
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