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Old times not forgotten: Civil War at 150
hosted ^ | Apr 2 | CHRISTOPHER SULLIVAN

Posted on 04/02/2011 7:53:41 AM PDT by JoeProBono

A hush fell over the crowd filling the elegant hall in downtown Richmond, Va. The vote was about to be announced, and a young staffer of the Museum of the Confederacy balanced his laptop across his knees, poised to get out the news as soon as it was official.

Who would be chosen "Person of the Year, 1861"?

Five historians had made impassioned nominations, and the audience would now decide.

Most anywhere else, the choice would be obvious. Who but Abraham Lincoln? But this was a vote in the capital of the rebellion that Lincoln put down, sponsored by a museum dedicated to his adversary. How would Lincoln and his war be remembered in this place, in our time?

A century and a half have passed since Lincoln's crusade to reunify the United States. The North and the South still split deeply on many issues, not least the conflict they still call by different names. All across the bloodstained arc where the Civil War raged, and beyond, Americans are deciding how to remember....

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: anniversary; civilwar; dixie; militaryhistory
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1 posted on 04/02/2011 7:53:45 AM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

This month’s Smithsonian Magazine has an excellent cover article about the attack on Fort Sumpter that set off the Civil War. Great read...


2 posted on 04/02/2011 7:59:11 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!!)
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To: JoeProBono

Quotes of Jefferson Davis

“The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a ‘rebellion’ is a gross abuse of language.”

“Obstacles may retard, but they cannot long prevent the progress of a movement sanctified by its justice, and sustained by a virtuous people .”

“Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever.”

“The contest is not over, the strife is not ended. It has only entered upon a new and enlarged arena.” Jefferson Davis, address to the Mississippi legislature - 16 years after the wars end.

“The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.”


3 posted on 04/02/2011 8:01:03 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: JoeProBono

In before the Southern hating Anti-Free Republic Federal Bootlicks.


4 posted on 04/02/2011 8:02:10 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: JoeProBono
"He attacked his own people. His own people.

"And he showed them no mercy by sending his well-armed troops to crush them. He refused to listen to the pleas of foreign leaders who begged him to stop the relentless attacks against his people. And still, he kept killing these people. His own people.

"I'm talking about Abraham Lincoln, of course."

Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2698676/posts

5 posted on 04/02/2011 8:06:00 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: JoeProBono
Even though Robert E Lee didn't really make his historical debut until after the first battle of Manasses HE was the STAR of the “War To Protect The South From Evil War Criminals Like Sherman And Sheridan Who Raped Murdered And Burned The Innocent Land Across The South.”

I sometimes wish Lee had done to Pennsylvania what those monsters did to the South but then I remember why we were the good guys.

6 posted on 04/02/2011 8:07:00 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("WARNING" -Sarah Palin is a very dangerous woman--she defends herself when attacked.)
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To: JoeProBono

Dang it I have a site book marked somewhere that had some War of Northern Aggression pictures I had never seen before I will try to find it and post it to you.


7 posted on 04/02/2011 8:10:46 AM PDT by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: Happy Rain
I sometimes wish Lee had done to Pennsylvania what those monsters did to the South but then I remember why we were the good guys.

Notwithstanding the fact they went to Gettysburg to "liberate" the shoes.

8 posted on 04/02/2011 8:12:37 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: JoeProBono; triumphant values
Not a one of them could honestly deny, that if one had a crystal ball back then that could show those Union soldiers the US circa 2011, that half would have tossed their rifles in the mud and went back home.

                      -- triumphant values
  

9 posted on 04/02/2011 8:13:46 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Lees Swrd

10 posted on 04/02/2011 8:15:18 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: Bean Counter; SunkenCiv; JoeProBono
Don't they mean the ‘War of Northern Aggression’ ? ;)
11 posted on 04/02/2011 8:16:52 AM PDT by Perdogg (What Would Aqua Buddha do?)
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To: central_va

12 posted on 04/02/2011 8:18:45 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: EternalVigilance
I would guess Sherman and Sheridan “liberated” many shoes as their blue belly thugs raped,murdered and burned.
13 posted on 04/02/2011 8:18:50 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("WARNING" -Sarah Palin is a very dangerous woman--she defends herself when attacked.)
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To: Bean Counter
On April 2 1865 the Battle of Petersburg commenced, and the war was over. Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox 1 week later.

http://www.nps.gov/history/hps/abpp/battles/va089.htm

14 posted on 04/02/2011 8:22:42 AM PDT by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: Perdogg


15 posted on 04/02/2011 8:26:25 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

Union Cavalry was he butt of jokes throughout most of the war, mostly inept. The old saying was if you could take the Confederate Infantry and Cavalry and combine it with the Union Artillery, you would have an unbeatable Army.


16 posted on 04/02/2011 8:27:40 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BenLurkin

Today, Lincoln’s actions would cause the UN to intervene.


17 posted on 04/02/2011 8:30:58 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


18 posted on 04/02/2011 8:34:28 AM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: JoeProBono

I didn’t notice the anniversary date... April 12-13, 1861


19 posted on 04/02/2011 8:34:41 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: central_va
Bump, yes this could get feisty before the end of the day.
20 posted on 04/02/2011 8:35:52 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: central_va


21 posted on 04/02/2011 8:35:56 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: central_va

22 posted on 04/02/2011 8:36:11 AM PDT by DryFly
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To: JoeProBono

Nice horse, stolen from a Southerner I am sure. :)


23 posted on 04/02/2011 8:39:02 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: JoeProBono

I had a friend from Louisiana who swore the South was going to do it again.


24 posted on 04/02/2011 8:40:07 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: JoeProBono
I my humble opinion, the biggest blunder the Confederates made was the infamous Pickett's Charge on July 3, 1863 against the Union positions on Cemetery Ridge. You'd think the very able Confederate commanders would have figured out the lessons of the Battle of Bunker Hill (the British lost over 1,000 soldiers in taking Breed's Hill) and NOT do a direct frontal attack on enemy position that had a major height and sight advantage over the attackers.
25 posted on 04/02/2011 8:43:26 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ak4vjiNzw


26 posted on 04/02/2011 8:49:36 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

bttt


27 posted on 04/02/2011 8:50:50 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: RayChuang88

Actually, IMO Pickett’s Charge was so devastating to both sides it prevented Meade from pursuing Lee across the Potomac.


28 posted on 04/02/2011 8:54:35 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Happy Rain

Would this be the RE Lee who impregnated his and his father in law’s female slaves so he could profitably sell the female children to brothels? That fellow?

Tells us more about you than it does about the times 150 years ago.


29 posted on 04/02/2011 8:57:55 AM PDT by donmeaker ("Get off my lawn." Clint Eastwood, Green Ford Torino)
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To: JoeProBono

I look at the War Between the States as the beginning of our end as a country. It marked the death of the country that our Founders started, and the birth of the country that is in serious decline today.


30 posted on 04/02/2011 9:00:16 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: central_va

Most of our problems were instituted by Southern Democrats working with FDR to reinstitute slavery. Perhaps we can have a new birth of states rights, so just as individual states banned slavery then, individual states can ban the new slavery now.

The southern states rebelled because they were opposed to states rights to ban slavery


31 posted on 04/02/2011 9:01:35 AM PDT by donmeaker ("Get off my lawn." Clint Eastwood, Green Ford Torino)
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To: Lees Swrd

The official name of the conflict was ‘The War of the Great Rebellion”.


32 posted on 04/02/2011 9:02:44 AM PDT by donmeaker ("Get off my lawn." Clint Eastwood, Green Ford Torino)
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To: central_va

Yellow Tavern


33 posted on 04/02/2011 9:04:14 AM PDT by donmeaker ("Get off my lawn." Clint Eastwood, Green Ford Torino)
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To: donmeaker

I live about 15 miles from there.


34 posted on 04/02/2011 9:15:52 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

‘a great slaveholding Confederacy, stretching its arms over a territory larger than any power in Europe possesses’’- Francis Pickens, govenor of South Carolina.


35 posted on 04/02/2011 9:18:16 AM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: donmeaker
Would this be the RE Lee who impregnated his and his father in law’s female slaves so he could profitably sell the female children to brothels? That fellow?

You want to back down on this apparent psychotic talk or back it up with some facts?

36 posted on 04/02/2011 9:19:18 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Happy Rain

Good guys usually win. The South lost. Thank God.


37 posted on 04/02/2011 9:19:18 AM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: central_va

It did good enough 150 years ago, didn’t it? It beat the CSA.


38 posted on 04/02/2011 9:21:31 AM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: jmacusa
Good guys usually win. The South lost. Thank God.

I agree Good Guys usually do win and the South lost. But why would you thank God for such a horrible outcome?

39 posted on 04/02/2011 9:21:56 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Who swore what? That the South was going to get it’s ass kicked again?


40 posted on 04/02/2011 9:23:00 AM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: central_va

Because I live in the greatest country in the f’ing world, under the Stars and Stripes , that’s why Johnny Reb. You don’t like it here in the good ol’US of A in 2011, pick a better country.


41 posted on 04/02/2011 9:27:12 AM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: Happy Rain
There's no doubt that Union and Confederate soldiers foraged, and yes, there was a lot of burning that went on from both sides. War is hell.

Your rape and murder charge is pretty thin, though.

Although, what Forrest did at Fort Pillow sure looks like murder to me.

And what Confederate Lieutenant-colonel James A. Keith did to suspected Union sympathizers in the Shelton Laurel Valley of North Carolina was murder too, not to speak of the fact that he tortured women and killed kids.

And then there were the anti-slavery, pro-Union Texans who were massacred on the Nueces River as they were fleeing martial law and forced conscription into a cause they didn't believe in.

Or, we could talk about the 24 unarmed captured Union troops who were executed at Centralia, MO by William T. Anderson and Jesse James.

Or what Quantrill did to Lawrence, KS, "to plunder, and destroy the town in retaliation for Osceola." They massacred pretty much the entire male population of the town, including boys. Or what they perpetrated at Fort Blair.

And that's without even bringing up the thousands of Union prisoners who died under the most horrific conditions at places like Andersonville.

42 posted on 04/02/2011 9:28:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: central_va; donmeaker
Would this be the RE Lee who impregnated his and his father in law’s female slaves so he could profitably sell the female children to brothels? That fellow?

I so wish that Robert E. Lee could be around to deal with you personally for such a despicable and untrue besmirching of his character.
43 posted on 04/02/2011 9:28:34 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: donmeaker

To 29 - LOL Quite an imagination, or is lying your wont?


44 posted on 04/02/2011 9:29:45 AM PDT by jla
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To: KoRn
I look at the War Between the States as the beginning of our end as a country. It marked the death of the country that our Founders started, and the birth of the country that is in serious decline today.

If you're right, all I can say is that it's a hell of a thing to sacrifice for an imagined "right" to enslave other human beings.

45 posted on 04/02/2011 9:30:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: jmacusa
Because I live in the greatest country in the f’ing world, under the Stars and Stripes , that’s why Johnny Reb. You don’t like it here in the good ol’US of A in 2011, pick a better country.

FedGov™ is an entity whose time has passed. This is a republic but personages of lower cognitive abilities seem to forget that. I call that statist line of thinking the Lincoln curse.

PS Like my ancestors I consider Virginia my country. I pay homage, by threat of force, to the Federal Empire you so admire.

46 posted on 04/02/2011 9:36:29 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: aruanan

Wasn’t me who made that psychotic rant!


47 posted on 04/02/2011 9:37:30 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: donmeaker
How dare you! To try an besmirch the reputation of General Lee is beyond the pale! Many things on both sides of the War were bad, but General Lee conducted himself with honor his whole life. To imply other wise is despicable.
48 posted on 04/02/2011 9:37:30 AM PDT by Himyar
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To: Perdogg
Yes, even though we shot first. ;D)

I wonder how events would have progressed if Toombs counsel to not attack the north had been headed.

"Mr. President, at this time it is suicide, murder, and will lose us every friend at the North. You will wantonly strike a hornet's nest which extends from mountain to ocean, and legions now quiet will swarm out and sting us to death. It is unnecessary; it puts us in the wrong; it is fatal."

49 posted on 04/02/2011 9:38:26 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: vetvetdoug

Pinging you for some old photos, which are supposed to coming soon.


50 posted on 04/02/2011 9:41:45 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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