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Driving Atheist Parents Crazy (vanity)

Posted on 04/02/2011 6:10:44 PM PDT by MacMattico

My daughter, who I will admit I often brag about on here, was in Jr. High All-county band this afternoon. The group was fantastic!

But that's not the best part. I got to see a couple of ultra liberal, atheist, elitist parents heads explode! The thing is it must have been all an act, because the kids are given the music in advance so that they can practice in their home district. They knew exactly what their kids would be singing.

They performed five songs, three of which were: The Heavens are Telling by Franz Joseph Haydn; Confitemini Domino by Greg Gilpin; and Witness arranged by Roger Emerson. They also performed a traditional brazillian folk song (awesome and in Potugese) and a version of Peter Piper that I have no idea how they kept up with each other, as the song was performed in a round and got faster and faster-- really good!

Anyway, this couple a few rows in front of us freaks out as this is religion in the public schools! But you could tell, they were really in a conundrum. The guest conductor was Brazillian, a Professor, wouldn't speaking up make them racist?! So they complained to other parents. Mostly they were told that this wasn't the time or place to make a scene, and they finally shut up when one parent, who is Jewish, told them " This is beautiful, complicated to sing music and that's what all-county is all about. The kids sang in Latin, Potuguese, and songs in this day and age many of them have never heard of. Get over yourselves."

Well, those parents vowed to "write a letter" and "speak with someone". So that is what the rest of us are going to do, and express how beautiful the concert was and how wonderful the music choice was!


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1 posted on 04/02/2011 6:10:49 PM PDT by MacMattico
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2 posted on 04/02/2011 6:14:45 PM PDT by NWFLConservative
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To: MacMattico

A few years back, the local elementary school signed (no words sung) “Away In a Manger” for the “Winter Concert.” It was beautiful and so sad to know the words were prohibited. Liberals are so narrow minded and bigoted.


3 posted on 04/02/2011 6:20:59 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: MacMattico

Pre-existing condition.


4 posted on 04/02/2011 6:23:45 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: MacMattico
Any government powerful enough to force religious expression on atheists is powerful enough to force atheism on those who are believers.

( Atheism is winning the government school tug of war over worldview...by the way.)

Solution: SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS!

Since the atheists now have a completely godless curriculum in ALL the government schools **THAT** would make the atheists’ heads explode! They would then have to pay for the religious indoctrination of their **own** children into their religion of atheism. And...They couldn't extract money from the taxpayers any more or impose their godless worldview on other people's children.

Solution:
Conservatives, if they are serious about saving this nation, should work diligently to see that every child in this nation has access to a PRIVATE and CONSERVATIVE school that thoroughly integrates the child's specific Judeo Christian belief and our nation's founding principles into every minute of their education day.

Solution:
Complete separation of school and state.

5 posted on 04/02/2011 6:28:13 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: MacMattico

We sang, Away in a Manger, Go Tell it On the Mountain, We Three Kings, Silent Night, The First Noel, and the kiddy secular songs every Christmas when I went to public school.


6 posted on 04/02/2011 6:45:09 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: wintertime

There are many conservatives who are atheists or agnostics.

If government schools include religion, then they should include ALL significant religions. Either that or none.


7 posted on 04/02/2011 6:45:47 PM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: MacMattico

I still remember my 5th grade chorus back in the 60’s.

We sang “Never So Lovely a Child As He”, “Let it Snow”, and “Dreidle, Dreidle, Dreidgle”. No one complained.


8 posted on 04/02/2011 6:46:52 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Aroostook25

“If government schools include religion, then they should include ALL significant religions. Either that or none.”

That in itself is a religious value.

Someone decides what “significant” religions are. Someone decides how many of what, when. The artistic element is rendered useless as political correctness marches on.

You can’t divorce art of any kind from religious sentiment (whatever the religious element may be). “Piss Christ” is just as religious as “Away In A Manger” as is “Imagine” as is “Take Me Home Country Roads.”

The reason that you cannot divorce artistic expression from religious expression is because both are expressions of the soul. The soul expresses religion constantly. Not necessarily the Christian religion; but religion.


9 posted on 04/02/2011 6:53:19 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: MacMattico

Last week in the TX private school that I work at, the 4th grade had a “Remember the Alamo” reenactment.......toy guns and swords included....

It struck me funny when the teacher said “Everyone put your guns in a pile over here !!!!!”


10 posted on 04/02/2011 6:54:41 PM PDT by Kimmers (Tell a lie often enough it becomes political........)
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To: NWFLConservative

That exploding head guy, (if it’s from Scanners), has an interesting story behind how they got the effect. They filled a prosthetic head matching the actor’s with red jello and shot at it from behind with a shotgun.


11 posted on 04/02/2011 7:01:17 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: MacMattico

True atheists have no problems with religions, they don’t recognize any religion. These people practice democratic socialism which is their religion and imply they are atheists.


12 posted on 04/02/2011 7:01:35 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Aroostook25
If government schools include religion, then they should include ALL significant religions. Either that or none.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

SHUT DOWN the government schools!

What's needed here is complete and total separation of school and state! Parents should PRIVATELY arrange to have their children PRIVATELY educated and they should pay for it.

However...If conservatives have any hope of saving this nation they should work to see that every child has access to a PRIVATE PRIVATE PRIVATE and conservative education that thoroughly integrates the child's specific Judeo Christian belief and our nation's founding principles into every minute of their school day.

Did you read PRIVATE? Did you understand that there would be NO government schooling? That there should complete separation of school and state?

13 posted on 04/02/2011 7:05:46 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Exactly. Education CANNOT occur in a vacuum.

Atheism (or at the very least Secular Humanism) is the new school religion.


14 posted on 04/02/2011 7:07:22 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: BerryDingle

Aha! The problem is that atheists do not realize that atheism is a religion (belief system).


15 posted on 04/02/2011 7:08:52 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: MacMattico

Bwahaa! This agnostic is loving it! Good for your kids!


16 posted on 04/02/2011 7:09:48 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: MacMattico

Make sure that “someone” knows that the majority of the parents have no problem with religion.


17 posted on 04/02/2011 7:09:56 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Reddy
Aha! The problem is that atheists do not realize that atheism is a religion (belief system).
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ALL schools must make a binary decision about worldview. Each school must decide between a godless worldview or a God-centered worldview. NEITHER is religiously neutral in content or consequences.

Therefore...ALL government schools today are godless in their worldview. They are promoting the religious belief of atheism. Yet, the only other alternative is to be God-centered and that is not religiously neutral in content or consequences either!

Conclusion: ALL government schools are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination.

18 posted on 04/02/2011 7:32:42 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: MacMattico

Having sung in a high school choir, I can tell you that the choice of music is based on the skill set of the singers. When you have well trained talented singers, you want musical pieces that are “8-part”: 1st & 2nd soprano, 1st & 2nd alto, 1st & 2nd tenor, & 1st & 2nd bass. We always had at least one Catholic mass type piece, a classical music piece, and then more modern “pop” music that had been converted to 8 piece.

To throw out religious related music is to severely limit the range of your choir. We might as well just all do rap.


19 posted on 04/02/2011 8:00:18 PM PDT by jasmine47 (All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you. (Gandalf))
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To: MacMattico

Get over themselves indeed.

HOwever, they won’t . . . likely.

Unless they confess, repent . . . accept Jesus . . . they’ll have a very long time to implode in more and more devastating ways. . . . into their own outrageous prickliness.


20 posted on 04/02/2011 8:47:31 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: wintertime

Very well put. Thank you.

I don’t see where in our Constitution the Federal Government has the mandate to control education in the first place. IMHO we have nobody to blame but ourselves, because we have allowed the Federal government to usurp our powers.

I see vouchers as a solution.

I feel every parent should be given a voucher to give to the school of their choice. We could send our kids to schools which promoted our values. Mr. and Mrs. Atheist could send theirs to the Atheist school and should be quite content as well.

The only ones squawking should be the Teachers’ Unions because they will have lost control of our minds and money.

I can see the riots now!


21 posted on 04/02/2011 9:08:21 PM PDT by beaglebabe
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To: Aroostook25

What do you mean “IF”? All education is religious: it teaches some worldview or other with its accompanying metaphysics, including value systems.

Even the SCOTUS recognizes secular humanism as a religion. But beyond secular humanism, the schools are full of Mohammedan, Hindu, New Age, and other stuff that is promoted. Only Christianity is systematically excluded by our highly trained education professionals. Everything else is “diversity”. The solution is to shut down government schools.


22 posted on 04/02/2011 9:14:57 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: BerryDingle

A “religion” is a worldview, which always has an accompanying metaphysics. Atheism is a religion, and it is disingenuous to claim it is anything else.


23 posted on 04/02/2011 9:17:25 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: wintertime

A-Theism is not a religion.

But if you insist that it is, then give atheists all the tax breaks and other special considerations that other religionists get.

Any religion which in America has more than a few percent of adherents or that percentage in a particular region, or that has had a substantial impact on history or current events is “significant”. IOW, even if North Dakota has no Muslims, Islam has had a substantial effect on current events and should be studied — along with all the BAD, violent, savage, and otherwise nasty features of that religion. Same for ALL religions. No religion is a “religion of peace”.


24 posted on 04/02/2011 9:34:44 PM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: beaglebabe
Regardless of the level ( local, state, or federal) government schools can never be religiously, culturally, or politically neutral.

Therefore...ALL government schools are First Amendment and freedom of conscience abominations. Even if school districts were the size of a suburban subdivision they would establish the religious, cultural, and political beliefs of some and trash the values of others.

As for vouchers:

I would support them **only** if they led to complete privatization and complete separation of school and state.

Vouchers could easily lead to the same problem that we have with colleges and universities:

** Government grants to universities come with **strings** ( Title IX for example).

** Tuition inflation as is seen in our colleges and universities. Once Pell Grants and loans are increase, the universities raise their tuition. This is followed by an increase in government subsidies and that is followed by even more increases in tuition.

25 posted on 04/02/2011 9:39:18 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Aroostook25
Ok...You can have the tax breaks.

I want a break from having to subsidize the teaching of our county's children how to think godlessly in their religiously NON-neutral government indoctrination camps ( misnamed “schools”).

In fact, since it is IMPOSSIBLE for any school to be religiously, culturally, or political neutral, I don't want my tax dollars **ESTABLISHING** anyone’s anointed worldview ( godless or God-centered)!

The solution is complete privatization of all education. Get government completely out of the education business! You pay for your kid. Teach them all the atheism you want. I'll take care of my family.

26 posted on 04/02/2011 9:46:40 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Nonsense. The music is our inheritance. It is benign. These people became upset because they believed they were supposed to be offended. No one reacted this way until the last decade.


27 posted on 04/02/2011 9:59:14 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: Aroostook25
If government schools include religion, then they should include ALL significant religions. Either that or none.

I will disagree, most profoundly. All of our law, all that we are, is viewed through the prism of the Judeo-Christian ethic. That root is every bit as important, if not more important than our founding in federalism and individual liberty. Without that ethic, based in Christian charity, there is no room nor warrant for the religious freedoms experienced by those of other religions:

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. -John Adams


"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." -James Madison "The Father of Our Constitution"

...Nor for those who claim no religion at all...

What is the quintessential breakdown, ongoing in our society, is this very same idea of multiculturalism, and the quasi-morality it engenders.

28 posted on 04/02/2011 10:07:30 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Aroostook25

Where would music be if the West’s great conductors, many of whom were NOT Christians but frequently Jews, would only play secular music for their audiences? The impulse of this culturally ignorant couple is just another example of how liberalism makes everything worse.


29 posted on 04/02/2011 10:09:54 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: MacMattico

“The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not mov’d with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils;
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.”

The Merchant of Venice, Act V, scene i.


30 posted on 04/02/2011 10:13:53 PM PDT by TheRealDBear
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I disagree -we are, in spite of Zero’s assessment, a Christian-based nation who is tolerant of other religions or lack thereof. Singing Christmas carols, or performing Ava Maria, is simply an affirmation of our national identity - which, as one of 160 nations on earth, we are allowed to have.


31 posted on 04/03/2011 12:11:59 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: jasmine47

A daughter of some friends of mine is in 7th grade honors choir at her public school, and they’re singing Antonio Lotti’s “Crucifixus” for their Spring concert. There is another religious piece on the program (gospel spiritual), as well as secular works.

The public school choirs sing sacred music all the time, and there’s no problem. People understand that this music is an important part of the common cultural and musical tradition.
Nobody goes to these concerts thinking the school is trying to preach a religious message.


32 posted on 04/03/2011 7:26:05 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: boop

I was wondering how they realistically did that! Great special effects!


33 posted on 04/03/2011 2:35:16 PM PDT by classified
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To: boop

I was wondering how they realistically did that! Great special effects!


34 posted on 04/03/2011 2:35:41 PM PDT by classified
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