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Is this the first ever portrait of Jesus?
Daily Mail ^ | 3 Apr 2011 | Nick Pryer

Posted on 04/03/2011 10:23:10 AM PDT by mandaladon

The incredible story of 70 ancient books hidden in a cave for nearly 2,000 years

The image is eerily familiar: a bearded young man with flowing curly hair. After lying for nearly 2,000 years hidden in a cave in the Holy Land, the fine detail is difficult to determine. But in a certain light it is not difficult to interpret the marks around the figure’s brow as a crown of thorns.

The extraordinary picture of one of the recently discovered hoard of up to 70 lead codices – booklets – found in a cave in the hills overlooking the Sea of Galilee is one reason Bible historians are clamouring to get their hands on the ancient artefacts.

If genuine, this could be the first-ever portrait of Jesus Christ, possibly even created in the lifetime of those who knew him. The tiny booklet, a little smaller than a modern credit card, is sealed on all sides and has a three-dimensional representation of a human head on both the front and the back. One appears to have a beard and the other is without. Even the maker’s fingerprint can be seen in the lead impression. Beneath both figures is a line of as-yet undeciphered text in an ancient Hebrew script.

Astonishingly, one of the booklets appears to bear the words ‘Saviour of Israel’ – one of the few phrases so far translated.

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KEYWORDS: april2011; codices; fakes; godsgravesglyphs; jesus; jordan; leadcodices; littlebooks; religion
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To: mandaladon

To me it looks like the face of a lion.


21 posted on 04/03/2011 11:00:16 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: FReepaholic

Well, Christ is called the “Lion of Judah”. ;^)


22 posted on 04/03/2011 11:00:35 AM PDT by Shelayne (He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly" Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! *Rev 22:20)
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To: mandaladon

First I heard of this so-called find was on Coast-to-Coast last night. For those who don’t know, that’s Art Bell’s old show, hosted by George Noory and assorted fill ins since Bell retired, moved to the Phillipines, and got himself a young wife. Since this is a C-to-C subject, that does not bide well for these metal books to be authentic.


23 posted on 04/03/2011 11:02:22 AM PDT by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Shelayne

Maybe it’s Azlan.


24 posted on 04/03/2011 11:02:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mandaladon

A metallurgist should be able to determine if the metal is consistent with that from the claimed era?


25 posted on 04/03/2011 11:03:07 AM PDT by fso301
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To: mandaladon

26 posted on 04/03/2011 11:10:41 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: mandaladon
It would seem the process used to make these codices would have been far advanced compared to later codices.

The process seems to be analogous to wood-cuts of more than a milennium later, and used a less-than-likely medium flat metal, that would have required multiple contemporaneous advances: metal imprinting of a "block at a time," lacing codex imprints together well before individual examples, and "negative engraving" of lettering to produce positives and mass-producible metal stamping. If these practices had existed in the first century or thereabouts, it is beyond curious and bizarre that these advances became "lost to the world," not to be used again by others for many hundreds of years.

HF

27 posted on 04/03/2011 11:14:44 AM PDT by holden
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

The soup Nazi says THESE are the original recipes. After he copied them, grandmama had them securely bound and put in a cave. The soup Nazi remembers it well.


28 posted on 04/03/2011 11:18:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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It hasn’t been proven or dis-proven one way or another,it will be years to ascertain,

BTW, I looked up ancient lead tablets and this is nothing unusual, there were similar tablets from Corinth, they had curses written on them.


29 posted on 04/03/2011 11:24:21 AM PDT by Sophia777
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To: mandaladon

Regardless of it’s authenticity, is is, much like the “Shroud of Turin” pretty interesting.

It might also be interesting to put a picture of the “Mandilion” or facial portion of the Shroud next to or superimposed over this mysterious (if not somewhat dubious) image for comparison.

Producing such raised / “3-D” images on sheet metal is a very ancient and fairly simple process which can be accomplished with hand tools. IIRC it’s called “Repousse’”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repoussé_and_chasing

I’ve done it; how complicated can it be?


30 posted on 04/03/2011 11:31:20 AM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: dfwgator

:^D


31 posted on 04/03/2011 11:40:29 AM PDT by Shelayne (He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly" Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! *Rev 22:20)
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32 posted on 04/03/2011 11:40:54 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: FReepaholic; Beowulf9

It’s Scrooge’s lion door knocker with the ghost of Marley. See post 32


33 posted on 04/03/2011 11:42:29 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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34 posted on 04/03/2011 11:51:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: mandaladon

Looks to me like one of those dinner rolls I’m supposed to be able to find Jesus’ face in.....yet I never can. But I hear they go for big bucks on e-bay.


35 posted on 04/03/2011 11:54:37 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

I read your link, but is he even talking about the same codices? The photos of this find out of Jordan look and sound very different than the find he posts photos of and writes about—the way the inscriptions are written look nothing alike. They were even discovered in different places, so...

These look and read like possibly two separate finds that are being lumped together.

Time will tell, I guess.


36 posted on 04/03/2011 11:59:53 AM PDT by Shelayne (He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly" Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! *Rev 22:20)
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To: Shelayne
I too have found that confusing...but best I can tell, they are the same codices. Here's an excerpt (note the link to the article which is the subject of this thread) from one of the contributors to the conversation at PaleoJudaica (the blog that has been at the center of this discussion).
FAKE METAL CODICES: MEDIA FAIL

The mainstream press just keeps churning this stuff out, oblivious to the specialist bloggers who have already demonstrated that the inscribed metal plates are forgeries.

Could this couple's Bible 'codices' tell the true story of Christ's life? (The Telegraph)

Is this the first ever portrait of Jesus? The incredible story of 70 ancient books hidden in a cave for nearly 2,000 years (The Daily Mail)

Jordan demands that Israel return ‘stolen artifacts’ (Jerusalem Post)

I can't find anything more from the BBC, which perhaps is to their credit a little. It's possible that they now have a clue and are trying to pretend that the whole thing never happened. But is it too much to hope for coverage of the debunking of the story?

As I've said before: when you read or hear, well, anything in the mainstream media, keep in mind that this is their mode of operation. Seize on a sensationalist story (while frequently ignoring interesting stories that are real but not sensationalist); no problem if the story is generated by an obvious crank, as such things frequently are; be too lazy to check out the crank's credentials or too ignorant to read the "energy vibration" warning signs; distort and sensationalize anything said by actual specialists; fail to make a few phone calls to outside specialists for a view; fail even to Google the story to see if any informed bloggers have a view or better information; and instead repeatedly draw on dubious press releases and earlier media stories, often focusing on and playing up the most lurid elements of the earlier coverage.

Background here and just keep following those links.

UPDATE: Aargh! The AP has been snookered too and the story is now multiplying like maggots on the carcass of the media's credibility.

UPDATE: At Rogue Classicism, David Meadows has a careful analysis of the latest from the Daily Mail and the Telegraph: Lead Codices – Once More into the ‘Reach’.

posted by Jim Davila | 4:50 AM


37 posted on 04/03/2011 12:17:15 PM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: FReepaholic
Looks like a lion head to me.

100% agree.

38 posted on 04/03/2011 12:33:14 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama will be president until Fri, Jan 20, 2017.)
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To: BenLurkin

39 posted on 04/03/2011 12:43:39 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Beat me, Bite me...Make Me Write Bad Checks)
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To: bigheadfred

Maybe you could do one with the “litterbox” picture of the face on Mars.


40 posted on 04/03/2011 12:45:41 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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