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Grandmother Selling Suicide Kits To Help People ‘Die With Dignity’
CBS) ^ | April 28, 2011 5:34 PM

Posted on 04/28/2011 5:56:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin

She is a 91-year-old grandmother, who is not known for knitting afghans and scarves, but she does lovingly fashion hoods that kill.

Charlotte started making and selling these suicide kits out of her cozy Southern California home after watching her husband die a slow and painful death from colon cancer. She blames doctors for keeping him alive.

“It was terrible to treat people that way… To make them suffer to the bitter end,” Charlotte said.

Charlotte, who sells her controversial kits for $60, demonstrated how they work in front of our cameras.

“To die with this helium just takes you a couple of minutes and [you] die peacefully,” said Charlotte, who only wanted to be identified by her first name.

A loophole in California law makes selling these kits legal...

(Excerpt) Read more at losangeles.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: 2evil4words; assistedsuicide; deathindustry; deathpanel; deathpanels; euthanasia; evil; ghoul; moralabsolutes; napl; obamanation; prodeath; prolife; suicide
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My kids have a hard time understanding when they hear how badly our society has degenerated. America has declined so far and so quickly that it is hard to even get my mind completely around it -- and much of it occurred duriung my lifetime.
1 posted on 04/28/2011 5:56:54 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
Future Medicare Part Ex?

Sad.

2 posted on 04/28/2011 5:59:47 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: BenLurkin

Is her last name Kevorkian?


3 posted on 04/28/2011 6:00:39 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: BenLurkin
Me too. I blame television and the liberals behind it.

It has taught people to take the easy, soft way. Something for nothing.

4 posted on 04/28/2011 6:00:53 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I blame television and the liberals behind it.

I like The Mentalist, but a few weeks ago I was floored when the show ended with a sort of assisted suicide. It was really disturbing.

5 posted on 04/28/2011 6:06:40 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: BenLurkin; wagglebee; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows
Do they take Medicaid?
6 posted on 04/28/2011 6:09:01 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: BenLurkin

When my mom was dying of cancer, I discovered that there is nothing like hospice for people who have not decided to give up. Everything is pointed toward death. In addition I don’t think there is anything dignified about dying. We can attempt to keep pain levels as low as possible, and keep them as comfortable as possible, but there’s just nothing dignified about the process. It’s a completely stupid and meaningless phrase.
I have hated hospice since they would not help my Mom because she would not refuse further treatment.


7 posted on 04/28/2011 6:09:42 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: BenLurkin

I was born in ‘51. All the change has occurred in my lifetime. Looking back, how could we not see the end? The 60s. 70s. Only fools could not see we were going to destroy ourselves.


8 posted on 04/28/2011 6:16:42 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: BenLurkin

I was born in ‘51. All the change has occurred in my lifetime. Looking back, how could we not see the end? The 60s. 70s. Only fools could not see we were going to destroy ourselves.


9 posted on 04/28/2011 6:16:53 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: BenLurkin

That’s crazy!

As a someone who took care of a friend for 4 years that is just a load of BS. She turns 101 in two months and is still going strong.

Although, if we had listened to some of Henny Penney’s or Kervorkian’s of the family who said “let her go” and a few other disgusting remarks, she would not be around for her family’s enjoyment.

I do not believe in nor condone assisted suicide. No one know how many sun rises you will see except God.

If you want to off yourself do it at your own hands and keep it real.

Otherwise you are faking your death.


10 posted on 04/28/2011 6:17:52 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: brytlea

Hospice is for when you WANT to die....never go there if you think you are going to help keep you or someone else alive.


11 posted on 04/28/2011 6:33:14 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Unlike the West, the Islamic world is serious.)
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To: a fool in paradise; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; ...


12 posted on 04/28/2011 6:34:59 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

13 posted on 04/28/2011 6:42:36 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: BenLurkin

Franchise possibility?


14 posted on 04/28/2011 6:43:15 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: goodnesswins

The problem is, my Mom wanted to stay at home. There was no comparable group that helped like hospice for those who still wanted to continue treatment. Mom was a fighter, not what they are set up to deal with.


15 posted on 04/28/2011 6:50:13 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: Vendome
I do not believe in nor condone assisted suicide.

Would you consider going in with me to ship these kits to Washington?

16 posted on 04/28/2011 6:52:07 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 826 of our national holiday from reality. - What 3 AM phone call?)
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To: Daffynition

No noose is good noose.


17 posted on 04/28/2011 6:54:16 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: wagglebee; narses; Mrs. Don-o

We’ve come a long way baby!


18 posted on 04/28/2011 6:54:36 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: BenLurkin
Charlotte, who sells her controversial kits for $60

...cash only.

19 posted on 04/28/2011 6:55:29 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: BenLurkin

This will be called “medical equipment” under Obamacare.


20 posted on 04/28/2011 6:57:06 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor

heck. Water will be medical equipment under obamacare.


21 posted on 04/28/2011 6:59:55 PM PDT by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: BenLurkin
“It was terrible to treat people that way… To make them suffer to the bitter end,” Charlotte said.

Interpret as "I had to wait too long for the insurance money or inheritance and spend too much during the wait."

22 posted on 04/28/2011 7:01:23 PM PDT by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: editor-surveyor

Well he said we should just take a pain pill and deal with it. Now they’re trying to take the pain pills away.

They not only want us old people to die they want us to suffer doing it.


23 posted on 04/28/2011 7:06:40 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO and the Fleebaggers.)
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To: BenLurkin
Enter Sandman

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24 posted on 04/28/2011 7:20:25 PM PDT by Sax
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To: Sax

She should send 150 kits to the Journolistas.


25 posted on 04/28/2011 7:24:10 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Who is John Galt?)
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To: BenLurkin; wagglebee

No, she’s selling them to make money, like a good little useful idiot, deathbot.


26 posted on 04/28/2011 8:16:40 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarMema

No kidding. She’s complaining because her husband lived too long?

Something is seriously wrong there.

And besides, who forced him to receive the medical care? Not the doctors, I’m sure.

If she wants to blame someone for keeping him alive, either blame him for wanting to stay alive, or herself for taking him to the medical appointments.

What a ghoul.


27 posted on 04/28/2011 8:27:13 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: null and void

Well, that I might consider.

It may very well be a service to humanity.


28 posted on 04/28/2011 8:43:11 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: goat granny

You go girl. I’m sitting here at work with my father on the couch in my office, he’s napping right now. He has small cell lung cancer and in the middle of his third (and final) round of chemo now.

We own a family business, he comes in just to still be a part of things, even though he can’t do anything and is suffering a bad case of “chemo-brain”, I would never think to deny him this.

I’ve always said since I was a kid we would take him out of this place feet first, I never thought it would happen this way though. Insidious disease, lung cancer. Fortunately he was able to gutt out the chemo and radiation at the same time, and that bought him another quality year and a half with us but now things are going downhill fast.

Unlike most people here I have no problem with someone at the final stages of their life swallowing a bottle full of meds and let themselves go on their terms. It’s not the quantity of life, but the quality of life, for both them and those who care for them, that’s important to some people and I can respect that. One last family gathering, one last goodbye while you are still able is enough for some people who feel they don’t want those last few horrible days of pain for everyone involved. Just my two cents, but your well deserved rant hit a nerve with me this morning considering my situation.


30 posted on 04/29/2011 6:07:34 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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31 posted on 04/29/2011 6:32:14 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Choose life.


32 posted on 04/29/2011 6:46:16 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: BenLurkin

How long now before one of our congresscritters want to ban helium.


33 posted on 04/29/2011 7:12:14 AM PDT by sunny48
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To: BenLurkin

I would not have shown the story if she would not show her face. These people are cowards as well, if they can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.


34 posted on 04/29/2011 7:30:22 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: wagglebee

I thought dying with dignity meant not going down without a fight...


35 posted on 04/29/2011 7:47:30 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Abathar

Usually only those of us who have watched a loved one suffer feel that way. My mother died from metastic cancer, breast that moved to her spine then into a brain tumor. It affected her mobility and thought processes. The last month of her life was awful. She was gone long before she actually died. My only thoughts were keeping her out of pain.


36 posted on 04/29/2011 8:02:37 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Abathar

And God bless you, your family, and father.


37 posted on 04/29/2011 8:03:56 AM PDT by sheana
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To: arkady_renko

When dems ‘reform’ medicare so seniors are forced to live in pain for months or years, suicide will become an attractive option...


38 posted on 04/29/2011 8:30:25 AM PDT by GOPJ (Understanding the Koran: http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html)
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To: sheana

My Mom just passed away 6 weeks after taking herself off her meds and virtually stopping all nourishment. During the whole time we prayed for her to be taken quickly. It was an agonizing 6 weeks to watch her. But looking back, 6 weeks did go by in the twinkling of an eye compared to her 95 years.


39 posted on 04/29/2011 8:30:58 AM PDT by N. Theknow (The MSM is to 0bama what the Broom-n-Scoop Detail is to a circus parade.)
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To: sheana

Thank you.


40 posted on 04/29/2011 11:01:05 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: TheOldLady

Good choice.


41 posted on 04/29/2011 12:52:02 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: N. Theknow

I am sorry for your loss.


42 posted on 04/29/2011 8:01:53 PM PDT by sheana
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To: brytlea
I went to visit an old neighbor from my days of having the farm...She wanted to die in her own bed. Her daughter had called hospice to see if they could give her any assistants or information to assist in taking care of her mother...I was surprised that she said they came out but didn't even show her how to change linen on a bedridden person...

If any has tried to change sheets (on a full size bed) with a bedridden person without instructions, you know how difficult it is..

I showed her how to do it in about 3 minutes, to have old linen off and fresh sheets and padding for incontinence on. Its simple with instructions (I am an old nurse).

She said she had been struggling by herself to change bedding and didn't know how simple it really was and you only disturb your patient 2 times...once turning them on one side and then turning them on the other side...I was really disappointed that hospice didn't even show her that, but as another freeper said, you go to hospice to die and do it pain free. Usually a doctor has to notify them that the patient has less than 6 months to live....

As far as I know, the only medication is for pain ( or possibly constipation or such)

43 posted on 05/01/2011 1:01:30 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: BenLurkin
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44 posted on 05/01/2011 9:57:55 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: goat granny

Yes, I didn’t really understand the purpose of hospice until my Dad dealt with them. I suppose they have their place, but they are simply about death. It would be nice if there was a group that got as much funding and support that was to help people who are still trying to get well, but are probably terminal. Their families and they still need help. My Mom was a fighter, not a giver upper. She fought her cancer til the last moment. I think she probably helped someone else with her more rare type of cancer, in that she suffered thru some miserable trials (which didn’t work for her, but they learn in the process).
But as soon as hospice understood that she was still willing to take any treatment they said they could not help my Dad. It’s like they funnel you into the death machine when they are ready for you to go (and she was not elderly, she was only 67).


45 posted on 05/01/2011 3:16:45 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: brytlea
My mother was a fighter also. But I made a promise to myself that they would not die in a nursing home. My father went fast 10 years after my mother...her type of cancer still has only a 5 year survival rate and she passed back in the 70's..She had all the pain medication she needed and my being a nurse for my father I was able to give him pain injections as he couldn't swallow very well.

Like you said Hospice has its place...many family's cannot not deal with the type's of care someone needs. Or for some there is no family to care for them...Like with my mother, being a nurse was the only way I was able to care for all her needs. Indwelling catheter, paralysis from the waist down, incision breaking open from the cancer etc. etc. At one point having to replace her catheter because of blockage. Many things can come up near the end that makes it hard to homecare and some people do not want to put their loved one's through that.

Those that can care at home, I find most do it. I had seen in my time working at the hospital, familys that choose not to care for their parent. It's sad but I don't judge them, I don't know what kind of a life they led.

With some people they are not aware of all that is available to them for home care also...I had a hospital bed, special alternating air mattress to help in not getting bed sores, the lab came out once a week to check her blood platelets to see if she could start another round of chemo, there is also for bedridden, a physical therapist available to come in and give range of motion to all joints and help to keep muscles from atrophying. Most of this was paid for my her medicare, but I don't know if it still would be.

She also was 67 when she passed, my father was 85 (or 86) not too sure which, he had acute leukemia..sent into the hospital for the removal of a cancer in his transverse colon and the lab work pre-op picked up a problem that turned out to be the leukemia.

46 posted on 05/01/2011 5:22:02 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

My Mom stayed at home and Dad took care of her (we lived 10 hours away, so while we visited as often as possible, unfortunately I was not there to help all the time. In hindsight, if I had realized how little time she had I would have taken a longer leave of absence and stayed instead of going back home).
Anyway, she had good insurance, and I guess by that time Medicare. Dad took excellent care of her, even tho toward the end she was not mobile. He got her a hospital bed and made sure she was turned regularly, kept clean and comfortable. I think they had a visiting nurse of some sort, but I do remember he complained at one point that sometimes they didn’t show up when they were supposed to. I think it was difficult getting help, but he was determined to keep Mom at home because it was what she wanted.

My Father in Law also cared for my Mother in Law with Alzheimers at home for about 8 years, until he died suddenly of a heart attack. They also had someone who came in a couple of times a week to do a few things, but mostly he did it all. Fortunately she was compliant mostly, and not mobile. It’s not something everyone can do. She died 27 hours after he did.

My wish is to not go to a nursing home, however I trust my husband and my children to make the best decision for me. I don’t want the government doing it. I feel sorry for people who don’t have people in their lives they can trust their life with. What is it they say, raise your kids right, they will be choosing your nursing home? All of mine know exactly how I feel about all of these things and I have no doubt they will respect my wishes. It doesn’t hurt that they all know they will see me again afterwards. ;)


47 posted on 05/01/2011 6:39:13 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: brytlea
Your father and father-in-law were 2 great men. Loved in sickness and in health...usually its the men that go first. They did the work of angels....:O)

No one knows how long we have, my husband at the age of 51 walked out of the barn when we were putting up hay and died in the back yard of his one and only heart attack. That was a long time ago...I did CPR on him until the ambulance arrived, but we lived in the country, it took them a while and the hospital was about 30 miles away. I take life one day at a time...:O) and have lived to the ripe old age now of 72...

Since I have never been 72 before, I guess I am doing all right.LOL

48 posted on 05/01/2011 7:37:44 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

Oh gosh, that’s a terrible story! I’m so sorry. A hug from here for you. We plan to retire in a rural area and it’s one thing I think of....being far from medical help. On the other hand, my husband had to give me CPR last year, brought me back, he is my hero. Glad I made him take that class 30 years ago.


49 posted on 05/02/2011 8:28:44 AM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: editor-surveyor
"We’ve come a long way baby!"

Bitterly true, in more ways than one.

If there were a suicide pill and a glass of water on the bedside table beside every bed in my old college dorm --- and the pill would kill you without pain, and without any evidence afterward that it was a suicide --- I don't think anybody in my class would have survived til graduation.

My point? Everyone who has lived long enough, realizes that mental/emotional pain can be worse than terminal illness/physical pain, and that everyone, in turbulent or vulnerable points in their lives, has undergone serious emotional pain.

OKing suicide "for those who reasonably need it" (presumably the terminally ill in pain) always, always opens the door for people who don't "need it" --- especially people going through crises in their lives ---- by increasing the opportunities, decreasing the inhibitions, and annihilating the ethic of care.

Furthermore, even those who supposedly do "need it," wouldn't "need it" if they received reasonable pain mnanagement and excellent palliative care, plus (this is important) the satisfying ties with loved ones (low-tech but high-touch) which is the only thing that renders either living or dying human and bearable.

Euthanasia (oops, "right to die" --- always more salable when packaged as a "right") masks a willingness to cut pain meds, food and water, cut caring, and ultimately cut people out of our lives with a little nudge and a big deadly dose.

We've come a long way, baby. We're all fetuses now. How 'bout that.

50 posted on 05/05/2011 7:45:47 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Just to Be is a Blessing; just to Live is Holy." Rabbi Abraham Heschel)
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