Humanity, Doomed to Extinction. And ABOUT DAMNED TIME.

May 23, 2011 | By Lazamataz

[Lazamataz]

It is clear that we are an utterly failed species. Left to our own devices, all we do is embrace the profane, the untrue, and outright evil.

In only a few decades, I have seen America START as a world leader in industry; a world policy maker; and a world instructor in how to be free and a functional representative republic. I have seen America FINISH as a second-rate financial has-beenl a country ridiculed on the international stage; and a nearly-complete Police State where SWAT kills with impunity and political 'crimes' abound.

Russia, too, attempted to throw off the chains of Communism, only to be immediately taken over by a crime syndicate. So, even when the failed policies of Communism are overthrown, all humanity seems to want to do is destroy itself anyways.

Communism appears to be on the march again, though it is very obvious by now to even the casual observer that it does not, has not, will never work.

Islam, a religion dominated by fanatics who willingly kill themselves to advance their cause of chaos and hate, is on the rise and is marked for ascendancy. This religion, dictated by a epileptic sun-mad pedophile, subjegates women, holds lying as acceptable, and insists death be the result of trying to leave Islam.

We are a failed species. The only possible solution is the complete extermination of the entire human race. We have utterly no chance of redemption, and we only spread evil. It is time to remove this cancerous growth known as 'mankind' from the universe.

[marbren]

changes what he believes to blend in.

I Agree, If change is to blend in it is compromising and No Good.

Now to my point. Spiritual growth comes from change. For instance because of not wanting to fall into my preconceived notions I am willing to risk the criticism that comes as I change my views based on new revelations.

A few weeks ago I was all excited that the antichrist was muslim based on a teaching I heard recently, now I am not so sure.

So far these are my main posted convictions on FR.

Jesus Christ is everything and

Replacement theology is a lie.

I changed and dropped the IMHO when I state Replacement theology is a lie on FR about a week ago. I know it is a lie.

[Alamo-Girl]

I vaguely remember something I didn't say being read into something I actually said. It might have been Cronos but even so, it was no skin off my nose and easily cleared up.

[Alamo-Girl]

So very true, dear brother in Christ!

Indeed this conversation has me thinking about what if anything a person could say that would hurt me. So far I've come up with nothing.

[Cronos]

but how can you not know what Quix believes?

I know through Quix's statements that he believes, as I do that Jesus Christ is Lord, God and Savior. He believes in the Trinity

But, if you go by his posts, one sometimes comes to the wrong conclusion that he believes in some things that he does not -- I won't repeat them, but I have pointed out to him before that a link he used to use last year (before your joined), gave the wrong impression of what he believed

So, bluntly, one learns each day.

How am I supposed to know if Quix believes in say baptism is for the remission of sins (not the "forgiving force" of course, as that is purely Christ's sacrifice on the cross) or in the concept of the process of sanctification? The only way is if he SHARES it, which to his credit, he has done.

My point in that post was -- if I discuss with say a Lutheran on the Eucharist, I share with him what I believe and he/she shares what they believe. For me or he to start by cursing the others or saying "you believe xxx" when xxx is not true to the other person cuts off conversation.

You want to believe in the Rapture, I personally say, fine, believe. you explain it to me WHY you believe this or any other point of doctrine and watch my posts about YOUR BELIEFS -- I will be respectful about your beliefs, even if I disagree soundly with them because slapping you ends a conversation and does not help me convey my point at all.

I double dare you to point out any place where someone shares their faith and I spit in their face as you have done here or others have done to my faith.

If you, however, repeat a lie about my beliefs that is quite a different matter from you saying "ok, I believe this, this, this and you believe something different. I think you are wrong for these reasons" -- do you see the difference in tone?

[Cronos]

You joined in 2010, now evidently you haven't seen the level of continuous harassment, ridicule and haranguing of my beliefs -- like you yourself going on with your statements that I am not Christian. You know what? in 2010 I got fed up of repeating the defensive statements and started using the same tactics as the attackers.

But I realised only by December 2010 that most of these attackers were never sharing their beliefs and when the CAtholics had left the forum, they went into the little Pre-mil, post-mil, a-mil vile threads -- I call them vile because they were the same as the threads attacking MY beliefs -- "you believe in ...., you worship Israel, you do this, this this" and you know what? that serves no Christian

For me to disagree with another Christian is one thing, but to be reduced to a hate match? What does it serve? Read your post 196 and see the level of hate you've kept

[marbren]

Did Our Lord Jesus Christ ever defend himself? Remember He did at times say things like “You brood of vipers” But it was factual and not because his feelings were hurt.

[Cronos]

Errr.. you bring up that one point yet you forget that most of Christ’s ministry was spent PREACHING or performing miracles — i.e. SHOWING the beliefs, the Faith. Don’t take one verse of His to characterize His entire ministry.

[paladin1_dcs]

You know Cronos, that was actually coherent and not condescending in the least. Why can't you do that more often?

Seriously, for the love of Christ (literally), quit trying to paint us fundamentalists as some kind of gullible fools who never think for ourselves. It's more than a little annoying and while I can only imagine what the others think, I've just about had my fill of that attitude from others who claim to be our Brothers and Sisters and you're not without blame in that matter. I agree that Camping needs to be called out for these stunts, but Camping isn't a fundamentalist despite what he claims. We fundamentalists view Camping in the same light as we view the Westboro Baptist group, as a bunch of glory seeking idiots who have attracted a crowd of people who seem to have never opened a Bible in their life.

As for jumping to the wrong conclusions about Quix though, while he does have some weird ideas, I've never had a problem understanding where he was coming from or going with a point. I'll grant you, his posting style is a little hard to follow at times, but I've always just accepted that as a character trait and kept reading, maybe I'm just weird like that.

[Cronos]

And, it's not about hurting feelings. If someone tells you that you are a liar and not Christian because your beliefs are utterly false and unbiblical and furthermore that you personally are horrible for believing this, what does that gain the person telling you this?

Now, if the person talking to you wants to save you or preach to you, they have fallen flat on their face. you will not listen to them after this.

If one the other hand you disagree with them and tell them why, at the very worst you have agreed to disagree, at best they have started thinking

For the first "process" -- the end result is hatred, on BOTH sides -- as you may very well retaliate. And on an internet forum like this, it gets worse as this escalates.

[Cronos]

You know Cronos, that was actually coherent and not condescending in the least. Why can't you do that more often?

Why? I encourage you to trace back posts to pre-2009 and see why. As I said, after a point when I read nothing but lies against my beliefs, what happens? I'm no saint

Let's go to your post 235 and see it through a Catholic's eyes when he reads "yet somehow unsurprising coming from a Catholic." or 252 "How very Catholic of you.", "you may be a good Catholic, but you're a lousy Christian" or your posts insinuating we are not Christian.

Any Catholic reading that will not read your message any further and will see you as a blind hater.

you accuse me of blanketing all "fundamentalists" -- where? My post 185, yes, was in bad taste "we're doomed, I tell ya, the noo date is Oct 21", but tell me where exactly do I state that ALL of "fundamentalists" are Harold Camping followers?

I see Harold Camping's predictions as showing the errors of a certain set of beliefs, but I'm not fool enough to think that his beliefs are shared by the wide range of folks

[paladin1_dcs]

Yes Cronos, I finally joined in 2010 but you have no idea how long I was lurking here, watching the bickering and squabbling before I activated my account, so yeah, I've internalized some of the aggravation and anger that built up over the years watching others attack those who I would consider a friend in the real world.

Now while I really didn't start learning who was who until I got involved, your name kept popping up in the extremely heated threads along with a few others and frankly, right or wrong, you're name became associated with those who were taking the "If you're not RCC, you're a heretic" attitude towards the others. Now, if I was wrong in that regard, then I was wrong, but that was my impression and you know as well as I do how hard impressions are to overcome.

I said all that to make this point. The reason I said that you didn't seem to be a Christian (go back to 196 and pay close attention to what I said) was because it seemed that you were enjoying your attempt to smear other Christians with a charge of gullibility and borderline heresy. I know, from first hand experience, that those who are real, honest, Spirit-filled believers don't enjoy trying to deal with false teachings, and they really don't take joy from making fun of other Christians, so can you see why I said that now? I honestly don't know why you think that fundamentalists would follow Camping, but there's not a shred of truth to that idea at all.

If you want debate, that's fine, I can handle that. If you want to know what I believe or how or even why, I can handle that, but don't just assign a belief to a group just because you think they would believe it. That's just lame.

[Cronos]

Seriously, for the love of Christ (literally), quit trying to paint us fundamentalists as some kind of gullible fools who never think for ourselves. It's more than a little annoying and while I can only imagine what the others think, I've just about had my fill of that attitude from others who claim to be our Brothers and Sisters and you're not without blame in that matter.

I don't even know what classifies or categorises a "fundamentalist" and I've not used that term, so I have no idea what you are talking about me blaming all of "you" (whoever "you" are) as being gullible fools who never think for yourselves)

I agree that Camping needs to be called out for these stunts, -- I think he's made Christianity look particularly silly but being called out -- that's between him and God.

but Camping isn't a fundamentalist despite what he claims. -- as I said, I don't even know the full boundaries of that term, so I have no idea what Camping is, beyond a guy who makes funny statements -- like Silvio Berlusconi.

[paladin1_dcs]

Where did you try to lay that idiot Camping’s teachings in the Fundamentalist camp, so to speak? In the post where you tried to tie Camping’s teachings to a belief in Sola Scriptura. You are aware that SS is an article of faith for fundies, right? I mean, even more so than most other Protestants.

[Cronos]

As for jumping to the wrong conclusions about Quix though, while he does have some weird ideas, I've never had a problem understanding where he was coming from or going with a point. I'll grant you, his posting style is a little hard to follow at times, but I've always just accepted that as a character trait and kept reading, maybe I'm just weird like that.

The link I was referring to which had a number of varied articles and one which seemed to postulate that Jesus was an alien. Quix posted that link to links many times, but when I pointed out to him that many got the wrong idea, he did rescind it and state that he did not believe in that

We talk about basic fundamentals of belief -- for instance, are the Gospels written primarily for Jewish people and Gentiles should focus on the Pauline Epistles? I don't know Quix's exact beliefs on that, but I know what some other posters said about this YEARS after I knew them.

Some other posters, I have no idea what their beliefs are as in every one of their posts I see only an attack on either my faith or attacks on dispensationalists or whatever. If a personal says a dispensationalist "worships Israel" and doesn't tell me what THEY believe, how can I know what they believe?

And there are many like this on FR.

[Cronos]

Finally, you said Seriously, for the love of Christ (literally), quit trying to paint us fundamentalists as some kind of gullible fools who never think for ourselves. It's more than a little annoying and while I can only imagine what the others think, I've just about had my fill of that attitude from others who claim to be our Brothers and Sisters

-- now you know how a Catholic felt for years on the Religion Forum threads. When every single article was trying to portray us as some kind of gullible fools who never think for ourselves. When people use distorted history or condescendingly thought we didn't know our bible (btw we do -- we don't agree with your own interpretation on some points, but yes, we do know our Bibles)

"It's more than a little annoying " -- and that is exactly how we feel every time some silly thread comes up and it becomes a "let's roast the Catholics" thread.

If you are getting fed up now by the Camping hoopla, then now you know how we have been feeling for so long.

[Cronos]

As I said, I have no idea what categories a "fundie" or not

Secondly, it's there on Campings' very own website "we emphatically teach that the whole Bible is the Word of God. We believe that, in the original languages in which the Bible was written, every Word was from the mouth of God, and consequently, is never to be altered and must be obeyed. The Bible alone, and in its entirety, is the Word of God.”

Now, this is a statement of belief that is sola scriptura --> correct?.

Within sola scriptura, whatever be your definition of it, it means your own interpretation has validity(hence the various points of difference). Camping has his -- as per what he states on his website

Now where exactly have I stated that you or any "fundie" must believe what Camping believes? I believe this self interpretation leads to such errors as Camping or the Jehovah's witnesses or Unitarians.

You may disagree with me that ss was the root cause of these errors, but do NOT accuse me of saying you believe the same as Camping.

[paladin1_dcs]

We're finally getting to the core of the problem. I didn't realize that you don't know what constitutes a Fundamentalist.

Simply put, we're Christians who have gone back to the fundamentals of the faith, stripping away everything but the bare essentials in an effort to ensure that we're worshiping God as faithfully as possible. The traits I'll list below are common to all Fundamentalists, including me unless otherwise noted.

We believe in the inerrancy of the Scriptures in their original autographs, the literal nature of the Biblical accounts, especially regarding Christ's miracles but also including other aspects such as the Genesis creation account.

We believe in the virgin birth, life, ministry, crucifixion, death and resurrection of Christ as well as his physical return and ministry to the Apostles after His resurrection.

We believe in the substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross and that even now He is acting as our intercessor to the Father on our behalf.

We believe that we were ordered to occupy until Christ returned, indicating that Christ was to physically return to rule and reign over us during the Millennial reign. In this respect, we hold that the physical Millennial Reign of Christ has not begun in earnest yet and we are still awaiting that event.

Finally, while we may disagree about the timing of the Rapture, or Harpazo, we all expect it to happen at some point prior to the official beginning to the Millennial Reign. I, personally, hold a Pre-Tribulation view point but can see where Mid-Trib and Post-Trib believers take their views from.

Does that give you more of an idea of the kind of person you're dealing with now?

[Lazamataz]

Yer hijackin’ the thread. This thread is all about the pointlessness of life, the depression of existance, and the desirous outcome that humanity is purged from our galaxy.

[Cronos]

And that was my point exactly -- a thread where we do not say "this is what I believe and this is why I believe your beliefs are wrong" ends up with mutual hatred

can handle that, but don't just assign a belief to a group just because you think they would believe it. -- > and this is EXACTLY what Catholics have consistently argued with our detractors about. Name any one of the long threads, let's take one the famous "Catholic dictatorship" one -- did you read that? It went up to 16,000 posts and it was Catholics repeating again and again "no, that is not what we believe" -- EXACTLY what YOU are complaining about right now.

Did you read it? It started in Aug 2010 and if you were a Catholic reading it, you'd express the same emotions you just said here

[paladin1_dcs]

Wait a second Cronos, Sola Scriptura doesn't mean that all individual interpretations are equal and valid. It means exactly the opposite, that the only way to interpret the Scriptures is with other Scriptures and not man-made ideas. All interpretations of Scriptures must agree with each other, otherwise you get messes like Camping. Any serious student of SS knows this, it's what defines the idea.