Posted on 05/24/2011 3:26:20 PM PDT by Former Fetus
No actually what I am saying is that government oversteps its bounds in the area of abuse investigation as evidenced by thousands of innocent families that have had their children stolen and adopted out by CPS. Yet you have a higher standard than the government about what should constitute abuse. That is telling.
Leave me alone and I won't turn you into government cheese. :)
I never said everyone had to be all nicee lovee dovee and dance under rainbows together.
According to me. It is was my debate with Hannity whereas he claimed that if Stern’s porn promotion is outlawed on public radio then it could lead to political speech outlawed on public radio.
And I am no book burner. I support Stern’s right to promote porn but just not on public airwaves. Let him seel in the same place that other porn is sold.
The same argument that you make “dont like porn? dont buy it” could be made in regards to public nudity or sex acts in public. Dont like it then dont look at it.
If two people are nude in public it obviouslly does not directly hurt me or my children, it only hurts the morality that I espouse by corrupting the society I live in.
So do you oppose nudity and sexual acts in public? If you do then please explain how either are directly hurting you or your children. You can still teach them that it is bad if you want.
If I received an announcement like that from one of my facebook friends, I’d hit the “unfriend” button in a heartbeat.
Do you also un-school your children. Should kids only learn through curiousity in your opinion. The question I have is based upon a system of thought that I have already seen in print and that I suspect these parents of following.
As I said earlier I am sympathetic to your views on how the CPS is run.
Would you like to see CPS eliminated completely?
>>Do you also un-school your children<<
Why? Are ya gonna call CPS on me?
The founder of one of my Homeschool groups put four kids through school “Unschooling”. Every one graduated from college, Suma cum laude. Perhaps you should do some research before you speak so as not to look foolish anymore.
Oh and no, I didn’t unschool. It takes more work than I have the patience for. I’m a lazy parent and bought a curriculum, CD-Rom based.
I asked you a simple question. If you want to get hysterical and make assumptions about why I asked then the conversation will go nowhere.
This debate seems to be largely based upon libertarian / conservative differences on the role of government, imo.
I respect the position of ‘chritianmommaof 3’ and understand where she is coming from. I am simply tryng to defend a more conservative postition (imho) whereas the role of government is not to follow some ‘Live and Let Live’ philosophy such as libertarians would preach.
Oh, oh, Dear Leader, investigate me!!!!!!!! I do those things!
Our seven year old sleeps with us about half the time, too. She is kind of a scaredy cat and feels safer with us. But I'm sure she'll be a messed up grown up because of it, right? Would you do me the honor of telling me when that behavior should not be allowed? Cause I just can't figure out this whole parenting this thing without your input.
I am a bad mamma jamma I tell you. I'm pretty sure we would disagree philosophically on lots of stuff. You should probly take my kids away.
I have enjoyed the debate with you so far but now I see the typical mocking tactic of libertarians coming out strong. It is a waste of time to debate with those who use mockery to make points right now for me. I have some things to do, maybe I will respond later.
Just wanted you to know that I enjoyed the debate up until now and I understand the points you are making. I disagree on many points of course but I understand your political point of view.
Yes I would. Investigations should be handled by the police. In most cases, parents lose custody of their children in family court without ever being put on trial for criminal behavior.
CPS earns federal money for every foster child they place. I have seen case after case of innocent families losing their children to CPS so the children could be adopted out for the money. It is hard to permanently place children that have truly been abused and they keep getting returned to the families time after time.
If it was required for a parent to be convicted of abuse in a court of law before losing their children you may have a point about your investigation. As it stands, an accusation/investigation by CPS is pretty much a guarantee that your children will end up in foster care for some period of time. Sometimes parents fight for years to get their children back after the cases have been dropped by family court. It is a nightmare.
So basically, CPS for the most part terrorizes innocent families and returns truly abused children. Its a money racket. There was a case in Kentucky that went to court and it was proven that case workers were basically kidnapping babies and placing them for adoption. Lots of adoptive parents lost their children to the rightful parents and what happened to the case workers? They were reassigned to another county.
>>If you want to get hysterical and make assumptions about why I asked then the conversation will go nowhere.<<
LOL! I just asked you a simple question back. No hysteria.
I made a joke then answered your question.
And you call me hysterical? *snicker*
Sorry if someone tinkled in your cheerios this morning, but that seriously has nothing to do with the conversation.
That is a bunch of gibberish. OF THE PEOPLE is exactly what I am talking about.
Everything you post is "I, I, I, I, I believe, I want, blah blah blah".
I don't want you looking over my shoulder. I don't need a narcissistic nanny all up in mah grill.
>>Our seven year old sleeps with us about half the time, too<<
Do you let her “touch”? *snort*
Holy crap, If I were investigated everytime we all slept together, they’d be following us around every campsite in the state!!!
Signed, co-sleeping, homeschool mom.
That’s what I was thinking about unschooling. TOO MUCH WORK! The name doesn’t really do it justice. The children learn but not in traditional setting. Life is school. I want to do math at the kitchen table in the morning. I can’t teach math at the grocery store while I am couponing and trying to stick to the list and the budget. Lol! I do however incorporate math into cooking. I like the concept of unschooling but I was always afraid I would miss something vital.
It is funny to me that someone thinks learning through curiousity is a dirty thing. All children learn through curiousity and that makes learning fun. It’s getting them to learn stuff they don’t like that is the challenge.
>>I have enjoyed the debate with you so far but now I see the typical mocking tactic of libertarians coming out strong.<<
Goodness, you haven’t learned about FReepers in the three years you’ve been here?
First thing I was told was, Put on your flame suit.
I am not mocking you. I was being sincere. If you have higher standards than an already overreaching bureaucracy then that is problematic to me.
You’re so right.
We use Switched On Schoolhouse. 300.00 bucks and a laptop then they school themselves.
I watched that mom plan her week once. OMG! All four kids had picked different things they wanted to learn. She was at the library making sure that each kid was getting all the info they needed. She showed me her sheets tying dinosaurs to math, science, language arts and history at a third grade level to meet all the requirements of that unit. And that was just ONE kid! PHEW!
No thanks.
Nope. Wrong. Good try though.
You must go find a prostitute, you must turn to a porn channel, you must specifically seek out Stern's show. That is a choice.
Someone doing it in the park is illegal and should be, because people who go to the park did not choose to go see a sex show.
Allow me to point out the fallacy of your argument, Nanny.
If I CHOOSE to go to a nudist colony, well then I'm a weirdo and I should be able to see all the naked fat people I want and all the fat people in the world can choose to waller around in the sand to their heart's desire.
What nekkid people cannot do is waller around nekkid in the parking lot of the grocery store.
There are rules of living within society. Respecting others is a pretty common one. That applies to everything I just discussed, as well as the story at hand.
By the way, I am not libertarian. I am about as conservative as you can get. I believe in a God given right of parents to direct the upbringing of their children and I believe the state should only interfere in cases of proven sexual or physical abuse. And it should be done through criminal court not the CPS.
Neglect is trickier. I have seen parents lose children because they were living in their cars. Then the state turns around and pays the foster care family to take the children. If neglect is because of circumstance that is not a reason to take the children. If it is done on purpose it is physical abuse.
I am prolife, anti homosexual marriage, anti legalization of drugs (although I don’t believe in the War on Drugs nonsense). If that isn’t conservative, I don’t know what is.
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