Skip to comments.Parents keep child’s gender under wraps (barf alert)
Posted on 05/24/2011 3:26:20 PM PDT by Former Fetus
When many couples have a baby, they send out an email to family and friends that fills them in on the key details: name, gender, birth weight, that sort of thing. (You know the drill: "Both Mom and little Ethan are doing great!")
But the email sent recently by Kathy Witterick and David Stocker of Toronto, Canada to announce the birth of their baby, Storm, was missing one important piece of information. "We've decided not to share Storm's sex for now--a tribute to freedom and choice in place of limitation, a stand up to what the world could become in Storm's lifetime (a more progressive place? ...)," it said.
That's right. They're not saying whether Storm is a boy or a girl.
There's nothing ambiguous about the baby's genitals. But as Stocker puts it: "If you really want to get to know someone, you don't ask what's between their legs." So only the parents, their two other children (both boys), a close friend, and the two midwives who helped deliver the now 4-month-old baby know its gender. Even the grandparents have been left in the dark.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
And the media considers this “newsworthy” because they have an agenda to push.
That’s just pitiful.
I honestly dont care. But i heard this story this morning put in the context of whether these idiots should have the children removed for abuse. And to that the answer is Negative. In my view the same law that allows the state to forcibly remove children from these Braindead liberals would allow the state to remove children from a household because they are being raised as christians.
These morons will pay a heavy price when their son rebels against their stupidity. When the hormones kick in.
As I read the article, it seems to me the problem is that they are putting no restrictions whatsoever on their child. Dress as he wants, schools as he wants, hair as he wants.
To give the child a message that they can do whatever they want with NO restrictions is a terrible diservice. People are meant to have SOME walls.
One of the tasks of a parent is to take on those things yourself, so you kid doesn’t have to learn the hard way, with pain and tragedy.
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In this case, Storm, obviously a girl, will have a far more serious issue. The time will come when she will realize what these perverts did to her, and wonder why her parents proudly let their boys be boys but were so ashamed of her girlhood that they tried to hide it from people. She (Storm) has a spell of very bad weather coming, down the road a piece.
BTW, don't they have birth certificates in Canada? Or do they just not say what sex the baby is?
You can’t fix stupid, but you can fix child abuse.
If they had named the baby Hitler he would have been taken away by the government. If the commies decide to withhold the gender of there child who will surely have just as many issues they decide its “cute”... sickening degeneracy
Seeing this story made me recall an article I read in The Onion a few months back, only this one is for real.
Horace Epistles i. X. 24
You can drive nature out with a pitchfork, but she always comes back!
At least they didn’t murder him/her.
The kid is a boy, but will probably be raised as an “it”. My theory is that the Mother hates men and the “Father” is ashamed of being a man.
STEVE RUSSELL/TORONTO STAR
Storm in red, gets a cuddle from older brother Jazz.
Kathy Witterick, 38 and David Stocker, 39 are raising
their four month old child, Storm, to be genderless.
Longer story, that also mentions the family's co-sleeping arrangement on mattresses pushed together on the floor of one room; the "unschooling" of the kids; and MUCH other looniness, including their Cuban & Zapatista vacations, try here.
These kids are probably already too screwed up to survive into adulthood intact...or even survive the inevitable bullying.
When I first read the title, I thought that the article was about Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt. They have a daughter that they have dressed as a boy since the child was a baby, saying that she preferred boys’ clothes.
Once again, children suffer at the hands of selfish parents. Using their children for social experiments. THis is thoroughly disgusting and these kids will be scarred for life; however long they live.
We live in a weird world.
I bet it was a boy and they wanted a girl.. so they will try to feminize him
Well, the choice was ALREADY made when their child was conceived on who he or she is .
Wow, they noticed that parents make choices for their children.............and think it's obnoxious
So when little "whatever" decides it wants to stay up all night and play or smash the dishes or put something in the wall outlet...........it's going to be OK ?
The boy with the pigtails looks like Paul McCartney as a kid. Or Albert on Little House. And Storm is def. a boy.
One or both of the parents are pushing these boys to dress and act like girls. I doubt they would choose this on their own if they were being raised by normal parents. It’s too bad the kids will be the ones who suffer for the stupidity of their parents.
Agree 110%. Removal of children from home should be for proven and convicted in a court of law cases of physical or sexual abuse. Being an idiot isn’t a reason to remove a child from the home. Sad but children will suffer from the stupid things their parents do. Foster care should be used only when children are in danger.
“”In fact, in not telling the gender of my precious baby, I am saying to the world, ‘Please can you just let Storm discover for him/herself what s (he) wants to be?!.” she wrote in an email”
Hopefully young Storm will figure this out before he/she needs to use a public restroom!
Personally it amazes me if there would be no investigation into this and the welfare of these children.
The parents talk about concerns over how to teach the kids to keep secrets, they are sleeping in the same bed with them and it is obvious the kids are being coached to spout their parents perversions and obsessions about gender and sex.
There is nothing neutral about the choices of these kids, they are being coached and manipulated.
These parents also seem to believe that the kids should learn through their own curiousity. Does that include touching?
This topic though was also discussed last night in this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2724136/posts
These people are strange in the extreme and I feel sorry for kids being raised this way but you are way overboard here.
Have you never heard of co-sleeping before? We are Christian and we co-sleep with our babies and young children. It makes for better rest for mom and children especially when babies are nursing.
Nothing was mentioned in any of the articles about sex.
We are not unschoolers but it is a growing movement. The concept is not to have a determined curriculum for the children but to let them learn about what they are interested in. We ‘unschooled’ for preschool but in kindergarten started a traditionial curriculum.
Most people teach their preschoolers in this way. For example, if they find a baby bird that has fallen from the tree, the learning that week may be all about birds, a bird art project, a field trip to the pet store and taking care of the baby bird. It has nothing to do with sexual curiosity.
The secret that they are being asked to keep is the sex of the baby. I think this is a strange thing to keep private. Have you never needed your children to keep a family matter private? I have. When my husband was taking a new church, we told our children but needed them to keep the matter private.
You seem to be the only one sexualizing all this as I have seen your comments on EVERY thread.
I personally think that there are signs of abuse going on here but you seem to want to make not just that opinion of mine an issue but you also go on to claim that I sexualize issues in every thread?
“You seem to be the only one sexualizing all this as I have seen your comments on EVERY thread.”
What are you talking about? Please give me some examples of my comments where I try to sexualize every thread as you claim.
Excuse me, every thread about this family.
You are accusing these parents of sexual abuse. That is a serious charge. The gender issues are strange yes but they don’t seem in any way to be sexual issues.
You are making an issue of the co sleeping,unschooling and asking the children to keep the baby’s gender a secret. Plenty of people raising their children with gender norms are co sleeping and unschooling. Plenty of normal people ask their children to keep family matters private.
The only problem in this family is the gender neutrality and there are alot of people that try to raise their children as gender neutral. I wouldn’t call them normal though. I also wouldn’t call them sexual predators.
Others also claimed as well to find their behavior suspicious. Not just me as you claim.
I personally think that someone should interview the children and look into what is going on.
As I mentioned in the thread from last night, part of my opinion was based upon a book I head read years ago that was very similiar to the thinking of these parents in some ways and in that book at one section it advocated parents exploring sexuality with their children based upon their ‘curiousity’.
If I could remember the author/ book or dig it out of storage I will post it in this thread but it was a popular new age book at the time.
Everything about these parents reminded me of this book. Possibly I am being biased in that sense but I do feel that these people are that sick and radical.
I didn’t accuse them of sexual abuse. I said that there are signs of possible abuse and that I think they should be investigated.
It is your right to disagree and to fight for their rights but I flat out disagree.
These people should be investigated.
Well trying to confuse a young kid about their gender is definitely abuse of some type, and beyond sickening.
I saw other people claiming that this was abuse but the only posts I saw that were sexualizing the matter were yours. If there were others, I did not see them.
Your posts are strongly worded enough for people to know that you think they are sexually abusing their children.
You may not have come right out and made the accusation but you think they should be investigated for sexual abuse.
A investigation for criminal behavior should be based on evidence of a crime not your or anyone else’s suspicions. I hope you never have CPS descend upon your life based on a suspicion or a “tip”.
I know a man that has not seen his children in over 3 years because of a false statement by a doctor. The man was put through hell and his eldest daughter was molested in foster care. He was cleared of all accusations but his family is in shambles.
I am so tired of people especially people that claim to be conservatives that want to call on CPS anytime they don’t like the decisions a parent is making (no matter how screwed up that decision might be).
It is dangerous and irresponsible. The next time someone doesn’t like the way you or I are raising our children, I hope they don’t feel the same way you do about CPS!
I agree but I don’t think this constitutes a reason to investigate them or remove them from the home. There are lots of liberals raising their children as gender neutral. What would you have the government do? Remove all these children and place them in foster care where they are more likely than not to really be sexually abused. That’s what happens when you flood the system with children that do not need intervention. You get lots of poorly vetted foster care homes.
Removal from the home should be in cases of physical and sexual abuse.
So now you want to insinuate that I would call CPS simply because I do not like the way someone is raising there child?
You dont like accusations but you sure do make enough of your own.
I personally find the evidence in this case to be beyond just simply bad parenting. Sexuality and gender are two very closely related issues and the evidence is there that these parents have some very serious issues with the gender part at least.
I will admit though that I have never heard of co-sleeping before that you claim is very normal. I would though be suspicious of anyone who is sleeping with children past a certain age. When in an interview they also talk about concerns of getting there children to keep secrets. Add to that the issues these parents have with gender and the extremes they take in regards to destroying social norms.
For you the evidence may not be there but I disagree.
It sounds like a recipe to raise a narcissist.
I never insinuated that you would call CPS. You said that you think this family should be investigated. CPS is the agency that investigates these types of cases. I hope others don’t have your same attitude that we should just randomly investigate families that we think aren’t raising their children right (remember you have no proof of abuse only your suspicion). The first thing that CPS usually does is to remove children from the home. Then they begin their investigation. They have no constitutional restraints. The family courts are closed and families are usually put under a gag order and have no recourse.
I never made on accusation about you. I especially never made an accusation against you that has the potential to destroy your family and cause you to lose your children.
I have two younger children that both have an biologically assigned sex. One is a boy and the other is a girl. By virtue of their age, neither of them is a sexual being (as in sexual intercourse). They are children. Your biologicallay assigned sex as a child and sexual intercourse are NOT closely related issues. They do not become sexual until they reach puberty.
I see these parents as confused liberals that do not want societal norms foisted upon their children. They think they are cutting edge with this nonsense about not telling the child’s gender. Their children will certainly suffer from their choice of parenting as do most children to a lesser degree.
You conintually claim that there is no evidence and I again will tell you that I disagree. I see no reason to list the evidence again just because you restate your claim of there needing to be evidence. I do not know what kind of evidence you would need.
As to your opinions about how CPS operates I am very sympathetic.
I now see what I wrote that caused you to think I said you would call CPS. I said “call on CPS”. I didn’t mean you would make a call to CPS but that you were calling for these people to be investigated. Sorry for the confusion. I did not think you were going to call CPS on these people.
What I am tired of is the attitude that I see alot around here that this or that parent needs to be investigated, needs their children removed, needs their parental rights taken away, shouldn’t be ALLOWED to breed. These are from people that CLAIM to believe in individual freedom.
Removal of children and termination of parental rights should be rare and in extreme cases. It should come after a conviction and not before an investigation. An investigation should come after some evidence that a crime has been committed. IOW, deal with them like any other criminal.
I guess you and I have a different definition of evidence. I see evidence that the children are being raised differently (weirdly). The boy has long braids and looks like a girl.
I do not see evidence of sexual abuse. The oldest actually sounds quite well adjusted considering his circumstances. His parents dress him in girls clothes but he doesn’t want to be mistaken for a girl.
LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!!!
So tired of this. On what criminal grounds would you call for the removal of this child from their home?
There is no confusion. You have throughout your posts to me insinuated that I take lightly my claim that nthese parents should be investigated. I do not disagree with you as to what warrants an investigation. I do not take issues dealing with CPS lightly though at all as you insinuate and I do agree that it is serious issue and that the system does not seem to operate very well at all many times and that is a problem.
Obviously you do not find it too alarming that the parents seem to be coaching there kids to try to be genderless. There is no neutrality in regards to choice, it is obvious that the kid is being coached and/or manipulated in my opinion.
And I am not sure what age you think co-sleeping with your children is appropiate up until, the article says the boy Jazz is seven, I think, so how long does he share a bed with his parents before you might be concerned?
The philosophy of the parents also fits a philosophy that would seem prone to abuse, imo. No inhibitions, shun all social norms, let the child explore whatever they want, let the kids decide who they want to be (but we’ll secretly coach them),etc...
The above should read ‘I do disagree with you on warrants an investigation’ and not that I do not disagree.
The reason that the parents speak of the children keeping secrets is based upon the premise that the outside world will not understand.
It is not because of some family crisis or family secret that could damage the family or something. They are teaching the kids isolation and to lie because outsiders are bad.
That is a telltale sign of abuse, imo.
What is even worse is that the parents of these unfortunate children are teachers. Not only do they mess up their own kids’ lives, but they also have the opportunity to wreck the lives of other people’s children.