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1 posted on 06/10/2011 1:04:48 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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What’s unconstitutional is how high the ticket price is. I thought we were to be protected against “unusual” punishment.

As to the difference between the patrolman issued and the camera issued ticket, I’m a bit more agnostic. After all, the patrolman-issued ticket has that handcrafted personal touch.


2 posted on 06/10/2011 1:06:45 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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You know the solution will be to raise the red light camera ticket to $260 and not the other way around.
3 posted on 06/10/2011 1:07:12 PM PDT by BipolarBob (There, but for the grace of Jose Cuervo, go I.)
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I remember a story where a person received a citation from a cop for running a red light, only to receive yet another one from the camera. As one was a municipal violation (red light camera) and the other one was a state statue (The citation from the cop), she had to pay both tickets.


6 posted on 06/10/2011 1:14:24 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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I would have thought it unconstitutional due to: how can one confront an accuser if it is a machine?

The thugs behind red light cameras claim it is for civil infractions instead of criminal so it is not permitted to confront one's accuser.

The cameras are nothing but revenue generators... the cameras should all be taken down, put on a pile and burned.

7 posted on 06/10/2011 1:15:15 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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This is just stupid, actually.
Many red light cameras don't work, or they don't work right if they are working.
So the judge is saying that it's better to use Orwellian technology that doesn't work well if it DOES work.
Bureaucracy in motion!
10 posted on 06/10/2011 1:18:46 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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I think Pennsylvania treats a Red Light Camera ticket as if it were a parking ticket. IOW’s the ticket goes to the registered owner of the car. A police citation goes to the operator of the vehicle. That’s why one has points and the other doesn’t.


11 posted on 06/10/2011 1:20:14 PM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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That’s just a sniper target! Problem is getting them all at once.....People in England hang gas-soaked tyres on the arms that jut out and light them on fire......very nice! There is a web site that shows all the carnage...


13 posted on 06/10/2011 1:22:43 PM PDT by Gaffer
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In Florida, I believe camera tickets are treated as code violations, so I doubt this judge’s ruling will hold up.


14 posted on 06/10/2011 1:23:33 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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I think the judge is right on the issue of the amount of the fine, but I would like to see the tickets handed out by the method of the “red light cameras” to be declared unconstitutional. They go against presumed innocence until proven guilty as they operate, usually, on the assumption that the owner of the vehicle was the driver at the time the vehicle ran the red light - part of the presumption of such tickets and maybe why the fines are less. But, instead of the law having to prove the owner was the driver, it is presumed they are and the tickets are usually allowed to stand.

Frankly, I an personally opposed to all government cameras in “the public square”; that is anywhere outside of any government, or private, building where such cameras may be used for security reasons for that location. But, outside of such facilities, it is our Liberty that is supposed to be “secure”, not the convenience of “law enforcement”.


16 posted on 06/10/2011 1:33:08 PM PDT by Wuli
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