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Terry Pratchett begins formal process to end his life
Blastr ^ | June 13, 2011 | Carol Pinchefsky

Posted on 06/15/2011 6:58:15 AM PDT by Abin Sur

Three and a half years ago, Terry Pratchett, the beloved author of the Discworld series, announced that he has early-onset Alzheimer's disease. Now he's made an even more startling announcement.

Pratchett, who has campaigned in his native United Kingdom for the right of assisted suicide, has begun the formal process of assisted suicide in Switzerland, one of the few countries in the world to legalize euthanasia. Specifically, this would take place at Dignitas, a clinic that provides qualified doctors and nurses to assist with the patients' suicides.

Dignitas has sent Pratchett the paperwork he needs to sign to begin the assisted suicide process—but he has yet to sign it.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: assistedsuicide; discworld; euthanasia; homicide; moralabsolutes; napl; pratchett; prolife; pterry; pterrydont; sad; terrypratchett; tragic; zot
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Very sad. Terry Pratchett has given as much reading pleasure as any author I can think of, with the possible exception of Robert A. Heinlein.
1 posted on 06/15/2011 6:58:21 AM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Abin Sur

My son and his wife are part of a group bringing a Disc World convention to Madison. They’re going to be really bummed.


2 posted on 06/15/2011 7:00:13 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: wagglebee

Ping to your pro-life list.

This should be an interesting discussion...


3 posted on 06/15/2011 7:05:48 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Abin Sur
I don't know, this whole "assisted" suicide thing seems kind of fishy to me. If you really want to commit suicide, just do it. I mean, there are plenty of tall buildings around, right? Just go up 20 to 30 floors, find an opening, and step out smartly. Same with bridges and towers. Not ambulatory? Get a hold of a shotgun or 38. Can't manipulate a gun? Take a boat out on the ocean and slip over the side. No need for "assistance".

Sorry if that sounds cold, but I wonder sometimes about the whole motivation for this "assisted" suicide business. I'd prefer compassionate end-of-life care over suicide. But having someone else "help you" seems, well, kind of cowardly, to be honest.

4 posted on 06/15/2011 7:06:21 AM PDT by chimera
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To: Abin Sur

>>Very sad. Terry Pratchett has given as much reading pleasure as any author I can think of, with the possible exception of Robert A. Heinlein.<<

Let us not forget the Good Doctor (Asimov).

I need to go back and reread the Discworld books. It has been a while...


5 posted on 06/15/2011 7:07:25 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: chimera

The most painless suicide is Helium. Put a blanket over your head, breathe it in, lose consciousness, it’s over.


6 posted on 06/15/2011 7:10:28 AM PDT by euclid216
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To: Abin Sur

It is extremely sad. I will repeat the words of my then 6th grade son. As we passed by an abortion clinic every morning and saw a man praying every day, my son asked “Mom why is that man there every day?” I explained that he is praying for babies whose mom’s decide not to let them be born. I went on to tell him that my view and the belief of our religion is that it is considered killing. He turned around without a blink and said “It is also stealing from God”. My eyes filled with tears from the proudness that I felt from my 6th grade boy. How come the youth can comprehend but the so-called more mature can not. Our lives belong to God not us.


7 posted on 06/15/2011 7:13:17 AM PDT by jerseyrocks
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To: euclid216

Yeah, but no matter how eloquent your last words, you still sound like Mickey Mouse.


8 posted on 06/15/2011 7:14:38 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Abin Sur

Suicide is a sin.


9 posted on 06/15/2011 7:15:34 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (PC's Tavern...)
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To: chimera

Honestly unless someone was a quadrapelegic, they have no need of being assisted in the taking of their own life.


10 posted on 06/15/2011 7:15:53 AM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: euclid216
The most painless suicide is Helium. Put a blanket over your head, breathe it in, lose consciousness, it’s over.

Yeah, but what if it's all true that the Creator of this wonderful universe indeed designed our souls to transcend time, and He views the throwing away of His gift of life - under any circumstance - to be a horrible slap in the face?

That's Someone who it pays in the long term (the very long term) to be on the good side of. Think about it!

I think I'll tough things out with the life I got until the bitter end - and will recommend the same to the rest of y'all....

11 posted on 06/15/2011 7:19:03 AM PDT by Yossarian ("All the charm of Nixon. All the competency of Carter." - SF Chronicle comment post on Obama)
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To: Yossarian

Digntis? Dr. Evil was right. There is an Evil Medical School.


12 posted on 06/15/2011 7:22:28 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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13 posted on 06/15/2011 7:26:53 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Abin Sur

Terry Pratchett’s life belongs to him and his God. His life doesn’t belong to the state, the church or busybodies on FR.


14 posted on 06/15/2011 7:28:45 AM PDT by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; Sun; EternalVigilance
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15 posted on 06/15/2011 7:31:56 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Yossarian

You are absolutely correct. However, as a sci-fi writer, I’ll bet dollars to donuts he’s agnostic at best, flat-out atheist at worst. I’ll further wager that he has utter contempt for the God who loves him and created him.

The vast majority of sci-fi authors, brilliant as some may be, do NOT believe in God. Suicide to someone who thinks that way is simply an ending of life on their own terms. Any thoughts of what that might mean to a God in whom they don’t believe just don’t enter the picture.


16 posted on 06/15/2011 7:34:29 AM PDT by hoagy62 (Help stamp out crack-pull up your pants.)
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To: chimera
Sorry if that sounds cold, but I wonder sometimes about the whole motivation for this "assisted" suicide business.

I have moral objections to someone choosing to take his own life but at the end of the day it should not be something in which the government meddles. Ending your life should be a strictly personal matter as far as government is concerned.

I agree with you that "assisted" "suicide" is a crock. It is just murder under the guise of medicine. I think the whole point of the "assisted" "suicide" movement is to mainstream the idea that people can and should be killed off because they are too much of a burden to others. In every place where this idea has been mainstreamed, it always starts out as a "humane" gesture to "help" those who are terminally ill. It then goes from being a choice on the part of the sick person to being an obligation or a duty. It always devolves into something sick and ghoulish.

17 posted on 06/15/2011 7:38:50 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: jerseyrocks
He turned around without a blink and said “It is also stealing from God”. My eyes filled with tears...
Ohhhhhh, how beautiful stated. And likewise; my screen's all blurry.
18 posted on 06/15/2011 7:39:34 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: hoagy62
However, as a sci-fi writer,

He writes fantasy, not science fiction.

19 posted on 06/15/2011 7:41:37 AM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Drango
His life doesn’t belong to the state, the church or busybodies on FR.

100% agreement. Suicide isn't a choice I can imagine making, but I'm not willing to impose that on another person.

20 posted on 06/15/2011 7:43:55 AM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: hoagy62
The vast majority of sci-fi authors, brilliant as some may be, do NOT believe in God.

According to Wikipedia, he is listed as an agnostic and humanist. He participated in a protest against the Pope's visit to the UK, claiming that the Church was "responsible" for all sorts of human rights violations.

21 posted on 06/15/2011 7:45:25 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: knittnmom

Even Larry Niven loves his work.

I loved “Good Omens” and I swear this guy owns the largest space in the sci-fi aisle at my local bookstore.


22 posted on 06/15/2011 7:45:36 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: freedumb2003
Let us not forget the Good Doctor (Asimov).

I've always liked Asimov, one of the Big Three Golden Age science fiction writers (Asimov, Clarke, and Heinlein).

Heinlein's still the best, though...IMHO, of course :-)

23 posted on 06/15/2011 7:46:48 AM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Abin Sur

I think that those of us who know his work know that any decision Pratchett makes will be wise.


24 posted on 06/15/2011 7:49:57 AM PDT by Grut
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To: Grunthor

I see your point. I was watching Discovery of some such channel and they showed Stephan Hawking as he is today and someone in his condition I can see would have a hard time implementing an end-of-life act on their own. But even he could drive his wheelchair off of a cliff if he wanted to. About the only one (fictional character) I could think of who could not implement his own demise was the one wounded solider in the story about Johnny Got His Gun (supposedly based on a true story). That is one condition I can see not wanting to live through, although that character did.


25 posted on 06/15/2011 7:54:00 AM PDT by chimera
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Suicide isn't a choice I can imagine making, but I'm not willing to impose that on another person.

Wow, did you think that up on your own?

This is EXACTLY what every leftist politician says about abortion.

How do the following statements work for you?:

"Murder isn't a choice I can imagine making, but I'm not willing to impose that on another person."

"Rape isn't a choice I can imagine making, but I'm not willing to impose that on another person."

"Armed robbery isn't a choice I can imagine making, but I'm not willing to impose that on another person."


26 posted on 06/15/2011 7:54:29 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Abin Sur

I love all of his books. When he dies however it comes it will be a great loss.


27 posted on 06/15/2011 7:54:40 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: wagglebee
How do the following statements work for you?:

"Murder isn't a choice I can imagine making, but I'm not willing to impose that on another person."

"Rape isn't a choice I can imagine making, but I'm not willing to impose that on another person."

"Armed robbery isn't a choice I can imagine making, but I'm not willing to impose that on another person."

Invalid analogy. All of those involve the initiation of force against another person. Suicide does not.

28 posted on 06/15/2011 8:00:22 AM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: pnh102

Didn’t Asimov (I think) write a story once about a society on an overcrowded Earth where old folks, once they reached a certain age, celebrated their birthdays, then went to a place from which they never returned, and everybody thought it was jolly good?


29 posted on 06/15/2011 8:04:59 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: chimera

Assisted suicide is designed to destroy medical ethics for physicians— first do no harm.


30 posted on 06/15/2011 8:06:32 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Abin Sur

Thank you, I stand corrected.


31 posted on 06/15/2011 8:07:43 AM PDT by hoagy62 (Help stamp out crack-pull up your pants.)
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To: Abin Sur

Sucide is morally wrong and a sin against God. But so are lot’s of things that are legal.

My objection concerns dragging someone else into the process.

An even more serious objection is, when does it stop becoming your choice and become an obligation you owe society?

the nose under the tent is not the whole camel, and the slippery slope only slides to the left.


32 posted on 06/15/2011 8:07:53 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: chesley

Vonnegut, “Welcome to the Monkey House.”


33 posted on 06/15/2011 8:10:59 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Abin Sur

Maybe he’ll forget about it and bring joy to his family in his last days.


34 posted on 06/15/2011 8:18:58 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Abin Sur
Assisted suicide is for weak people who can't bear suffering for themselves (a viewing of The Passion of the Christ might be helpful for them) and do not wish to be a burden on their families, when in fact, it is an opportunity at redemption for both the victims and their families. Suffering is a gift. Terry is denying this last-ditch effort from Christ. In doing so, Mr. Pratchett is playing with fire (possibly for eternity).
35 posted on 06/15/2011 8:36:31 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy
One of my relatives, thank God, survived a suicide attempt. Before going to visit him, we called the Suicide Hot Line for advice. They advised be supportive, but direct. For example, remind him of the impact on his mother, wife, sister and brothers, etc., if he succeeded. End every visit with a promise that he will not attempt again before your next visit. I remember one visit, as I was getting ready to go, I started off saying, I want you to promise me... and he said, "I know, that I won't do anything stupid." I said: "Right. And I will define stupid. Stupid is having anything to do with overdosing on drugs, or inflicting wounds on yourself." He also got excellent counseling, and has been alive now for 29 more years. He's been a blessing to us, to his family, and his second wife and her children. (His first wife left him while he was in the hospital - best thing that could have happened, IMHO.)
36 posted on 06/15/2011 8:48:43 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: chimera
Just go up 20 to 30 floors, find an opening, and step out smartly.

Jeez, have a heart on the people who have to deal with the subsequent mess, really...

37 posted on 06/15/2011 8:49:45 AM PDT by no-s (B.L.O.A.T. and every day...because some day soon they won't be making any more...for you.)
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To: GAB-1955

Thanks. It was years ago.


38 posted on 06/15/2011 8:50:33 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: Grut
I think that those of us who know his work know that any decision Pratchett makes will be wise.

I disagree, I know/love his work, but that does not mean that he will make good personal choices. Picasso, and Frank Lloyd Wright were both brilliant, but made some bad personal decisions

39 posted on 06/15/2011 9:07:31 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Abin Sur
Invalid analogy. All of those involve the initiation of force against another person. Suicide does not.

For those of us that beleive in God you are mistaken. God is the author of life and He will end mine when He sees fit, not when I do.

40 posted on 06/15/2011 9:11:30 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Abin Sur; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
Invalid analogy. All of those involve the initiation of force against another person. Suicide does not.

Wrong again. We ARE NOT talking about suicide, we are talking about euthanasia (yes I know they call it "assisted suicide," but that is just a euphemism to sell it) and another person is involved be design.

41 posted on 06/15/2011 9:13:00 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Abin Sur
Dammit, pTerry. I love your books, but you're wrong on this. Better to heed Dylan Thomas on this:

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rage at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.


42 posted on 06/15/2011 9:20:18 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("To Serve Manatee" is a cookbook!)
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To: knittnmom

Thank God is right! That must have been VERY tough when that was all going on but nowhere near as tough on those who loved him (lifetime of sorrow!), if he had succeeded. Good, positive story. Thanks for posting. :)


43 posted on 06/15/2011 9:29:32 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Abin Sur
one of the Big Three Golden Age science fiction writers (Asimov, Clarke, and Heinlein)

That reminds me of a funny dig at Ray Bradbury, from South Park. The "giants" of science fiction were being discussed. I'm doing this from memory, but the dialog went something like this:

Character 1: "... the giants of science fiction; Asimov, Bester, Clarke ..."

Character 2: "B for Alfie Bester? Really? Why not Bradbury?"

Character 1: "Bradbury. (condescending sniff). I'm aware of his work."

44 posted on 06/15/2011 9:51:55 AM PDT by NewMexLurker
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To: wagglebee

This is nothing more than the sin of pride.. He does not want to be helpless or lose his “quick mind”

How sad to be so proud of who you are and your work that you will kill yourself rather than need other people or “spoil “ your legacy


45 posted on 06/15/2011 10:20:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Abin Sur

I loved the Discworld books.

But not anymore.


46 posted on 06/15/2011 10:23:40 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Tragic personal ping.


47 posted on 06/15/2011 10:27:54 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT Lightning ping list.)
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To: Abin Sur; wagglebee
Verbal engineering always precedes social engineering. There is an agenda behind this propaganda:

We must fight to maintain a total ban on assisted suicide and euthanasia

by Monsignor Ignacio Barreiro-Carámbula

  • Mon Jun 13, 2011 17:39 EST

    June 13, 2011 (HLI.org) - Assisted suicide and euthanasia are legal in the states of Oregon and Washington, as well as in a handful of nations worldwide. Both here and abroad, pressure is mounting to legalize both evils beyond those sad places where they have already been accepted.

    Behind a facade of objectivity, these evils are subtly promoted by many in the media in order to deform public opinion in their favor. We know their methods very well: through a selective presentation of news stories, movies and on television, they hope to slowly deform people’s emotions, moving them to see that killing the unwanted is the compassionate thing to do.

    This first method, to establish a misguided sense of compassion, is complemented by a second - to create fear that we will one day find ourselves in the same condition. We also see the verbal engineers at work, confusing hydration and feeding of the most severely disabled with an overuse of aggressive medical interventions. As we know, hydration and feeding do not cure any disease, they simply keep a person alive.

    Living in Europe where the process of legalizing assisted suicide and euthanasia is regrettably far more advanced than in America, I can’t say enough how crucial it is that we strengthen our opposition to these evils. At a recent conference, I was honored to share the podium with several speakers who are working diligently to stop the slide down the slippery slope toward the wholesale destruction of all unwanted persons. The chairman of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, Alex Schandenberg, who sponsored the Vancouver event last week, is to be congratulated for raising the profile of this very important issue.

    The starting point for these evils is the liberal and materialistic view that man is the owner of his life; that he is free to choose the moment and manner of his death. Those who hold this view define suicide as “the last liberty of life.” 

    Liberty of life? Yet these lies are becoming more mainstream all the time.

    Sadly, as we have seen in the case of Terri Schiavo and too many others, most euthanasia is already essentially legal. The overt legalization of assisted suicide, however, will constitute a strong step towards the full legalization of euthanasia, and a serious blow to the already precarious legal protection of the sick, the disabled and the dying. If we adopt a law holding that a person has the right to kill himself, soon we will also adopt euthanasia; because if the individual has the right to say when his life is no longer worth living, soon society will claim this right as well.

    This is the threat represented by a people whose ethics are utilitarian, and whose politics are socialist, particularly with regard to socialized medicine. The idea will soon take hold, thanks to those whom we have empowered to tell our story in the media, that it is too expensive to allow some persons to live, and since the government provides the care, the government will have to decide when their lives will end.

    The next group that will be threatened, as we have seen historically, are those whose mental faculties are greatly diminished, or who are not considered useful to society. When the economic considerations are at the forefront of government-run medical care, we will see people opening up to programs that are not very different from the ones used by the Nazis.

    We again see this form of murder defended in the supposedly “civilized”, post-Nazi Europe. In the United Kingdom, popular writer Mary Warnock espouses the view that a person that suffers from dementia has, not the right, but the duty to die. She underlines that a person in this condition is wasting away the life of his relatives, as well as the resources of the National Health System.

    The legalization of euthanasia is obviously the consequence of the decriminalization of abortion. Once society starts killing the ones that nobody sees, they begin to kill those they do see, the “unuseful” or “unfit.” If we are not careful and strong in our actions against this attack, any persons at the end of their lives or who suffer an incurable illness will end up in a situation in which they will feel constrained to express their desire to die as their last duty of good manners towards the living.

    What does tomorrow hold? Perhaps the killing of the politically incorrect - those who remind their fellow men that there is a God and everyone and everything depends on Him? Or will we be able to, by the grace of God, turn this around? Not that such an offering is on the table, and nobody wants to be a martyr, but if that is God’s will for us, let us die reminding our countrymen of their duties towards God and men.

    A total ban on assisted suicide and of any form of euthanasia is not only required morally, but is an act of social justice to protect the weak and vulnerable.


48 posted on 06/15/2011 10:36:28 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: TheOldLady; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ...
Oh no.


49 posted on 06/15/2011 10:39:50 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I’m afraid of losing it, too. But one does not barge in on G-d.

Poor man.


50 posted on 06/15/2011 10:42:18 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT Lightning ping list.)
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