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Arguing (?) with an Obama Supporter
A Liberal Replies | 7/18/11

Posted on 07/18/2011 1:09:05 PM PDT by pabianice

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To: pabianice

To the notion that Saddam never had WMDs, I guess then the Kurds all died from a really bad case of second-hand smoke?


41 posted on 07/18/2011 2:46:51 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: pabianice

When they resort to calling you a “racist” you know that you’ve won.

They have nothing left.


42 posted on 07/18/2011 2:46:54 PM PDT by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: pabianice
I voted for Bush the first time, then found he'd lied about starting the Iraq war because they had "WMD's", yet the UN had boots on the ground for months and found nothing.

Scott Ritter, child predator and arms inspector, flipped from being a critic of Saddam to attacking Bush. Some suspect that Saddam held some compromising details on Mr. Ritter.

The war in Iraq began under the first President Bush. Saddam restarted the war in the 1990s when he violated the terms of the peace agreement. If Saddam had stepped down, the war could have been avoided. When Saddam was toppled, the Iraq war ended. There were new conflicts following the ousting of Saddam. Can't really call it a civil war since the troops and funding and weaponry come from other countries including Iran.

The Cold War waged for 45 years after WWII. It would be wrong to say that it took all that time to fight WWII.

If the basics of the Iraq war cannot be discussed (outside of Rat mems like Bush Lied, People Died) then further debate is pointless.

Might as well dredge up the "Bush stole two elections" myth as well.

43 posted on 07/18/2011 2:49:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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To: COUNTrecount
When they resort to calling you a “racist” you know that you’ve won. They have nothing left.

I agree 100%. The point I keep making here is that when we resort to name calling, which we often do, we are seen in the same way, that we have nothing left, no real arguments.

44 posted on 07/18/2011 2:51:54 PM PDT by RonBush
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To: T. Jefferson
If you must reply, never answer there false premises...here's some ammo.

National debt increased every year under Clinton.

US Treasury

Clinton left Bush a recession, a 57% stock market crash, a trillion dollar sub-prime bubble, and 8 years of unanswered Al Qaeda attacks, culminating in a $2 trillion 9/11 attack. Always remember the senate controls spending. Clinton fought for spending, increases, republicans controlled the senate and stopped them. Republicans wrote every budget that produced the lowering deficits.

Iraq war didn't start in 2002; it started in 1992 when Iraq attacked Kuwait. Saddam violated the peace treaty for 8 years, UN voted 15-0 to resume hostilities based on the violated terms of the peace treaty.

45 posted on 07/18/2011 2:52:33 PM PDT by T. Jefferson (Batton down the hatches, full speed in reverse)
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To: pabianice
You said Obama refuses to admit he's a Marxist. Do you have evidence or is this another conservative lie (not racist) you're passing off to avoid my questions?

How about from the horse's mouth?

To avoid being mistaken for a sellout,I chose my friends carefully.The more politically active black students.The foreign students.The Chicanos.The Marxist Professors and the structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets.At night,in the dorms,we discussed neocolonialism,Franz Fanon,Eurocentrism,and patriarchy.When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake,we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints.We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure.We were alienated.

and

I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody

46 posted on 07/18/2011 2:57:18 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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The guy sounds like a broken record. I do agree that conservatives in general weren’t loud enough about the things that Bush did wrong. Like most liberals though, this guy can’t see past the mistakes of the last administration and now focus on the current one, who’s put us in an even worse situation than the one he started with.


47 posted on 07/18/2011 2:57:28 PM PDT by heysean
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To: pabianice

Anybody who is stil supporting Obama is either a progressive communist or dumber than a box of rocks.They are one in the same I don’t care how many degrees they have.


48 posted on 07/18/2011 2:59:55 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Campion

Clinton gutted the military and downsized them closing bases. Any POTUS would look good in this $avings.


49 posted on 07/18/2011 3:04:32 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: pabianice
Unless I missed it, not one mention of Gitmo.

Off-limits because the messiah lied about closing it?

50 posted on 07/18/2011 3:06:32 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: pabianice
History lesson. Clinton had balanced budget and that's what Bush inherited. Bush gave tax breaks to the wealthy and started an unfunded war, and soon had record deficits going.

Revisionist history lesson.

A cataclysmic event tanked the stock market on 9-11-2001 which was barely 8 months into his first term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_arising_from_the_September_11_attacks

51 posted on 07/18/2011 3:07:58 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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To: pabianice

I heard many republicans/conservatives complain about the Federal spending under Bush. That is why 2006 went the way it did. Once the liberals controlled Congress (even with Bush in office) the spending went up much more. And we are supposed to be happy when it increases 10 fold?
Hillary said she did her own research, independent of what info Bush had, and she was convinced Iraq had WMD’s. I have not heard liberals quote her concerning her ‘lies’.


52 posted on 07/18/2011 3:09:31 PM PDT by PastorJimCM (truth matters)
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To: pabianice
Obama went into Libia to keep Kadafi from massacaring his own people.

Saddam and his sons did the same to the Iraqi people. That right there should justify the war in Iraq IF he's going to be consistent.

But I call him a liar. Don't read anything in his talking points to support his claim of being a lifelong republican and bush voterl.

53 posted on 07/18/2011 3:11:25 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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To: pabianice
Religious right don't care how many starve to death, they're just in the business of not stopping the flow of added mouths. Much more to come with drowths in Texas all the way to the east coast that is in extreme drowth now and growing nothing. Do you have more concern about adding to the population or feeding what we have?

How many people DO starve to death every year in the United States? Apart from those suffering from eating disorders...

And we a using crops for oil that could be used instead to feed people.

54 posted on 07/18/2011 3:16:27 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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To: pabianice

It is scary that these people live among us and some get to vote...


55 posted on 07/18/2011 4:38:55 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: pabianice

This is similar to what I went through for years with a leftist, union shop steward. We battled for several years and I learned that when he was in a corner the “Bush deficit, Bush wars,” etc, came out. I recently sent out an email that showed the money spent by unions for democrats in a counter to his, “big business runs the government by its money.” The numbers showed that labor spent hundreds of millions more on politics than business. He called me a liar, told him to back it up and show me wrong..he couldn’t so it was, “you lie.” That did it for me. No more.


56 posted on 07/18/2011 5:21:50 PM PDT by engrpat (A village in Kenya is missing their idiot...lets send him back)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
CBS: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3.

The checks go out August 1! What complete idiots!

57 posted on 07/18/2011 5:54:12 PM PDT by cibco (I HOPE Obummers's CHANGE disappears...)
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To: pabianice
History lesson. Clinton paid down $1 trillion on natl debt and gave a balanced budget to Bush.

Remind that idiot that X-42 had to deal with a Republican congress during the years the debt got paid, and he knew they would override his veto.

58 posted on 07/19/2011 5:53:56 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Great info!


59 posted on 07/19/2011 10:29:25 AM PDT by philled (Lay on, Macduff! And damned be him that first cries “Hold, enough!”)
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To: cibco

Not true.

Mine is credited to my bank account on the second Wednesday of every month.


60 posted on 07/19/2011 11:17:40 PM PDT by tdscpa
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