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Don't Kill the Oxford Comma!
Salon ^ | THURSDAY, JUN 30, 2011 | MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS

Posted on 07/22/2011 10:38:30 AM PDT by nickcarraway

The university hands down a new edict about punctuation -- but the world's grammar nerds will never back down

Grammar lovers today were saddened, shocked, and mightily displeased at the news that the P.R. department of the University of Oxford has decided to drop the comma for which it is so justly famed. As GalleyCat reported, the university's new style guide advises writers, "As a general rule, do not use the serial/Oxford comma: so write 'a, b and c' not 'a, b, and c'." Cue the collective gasps of horror. The last time the nerd community was this cruelly betrayed, George Lucas was sitting at his desk, thinking, "I shall call him Jar Jar."

The serial comma is one of the sanest punctuation usages in the written language. It gives each element of a series its own distinct place in it, instead of lumping the last two together in one hasty breath. Think about it -- when you bake, you gather up your eggs, butter, sugar, and flour; you don't treat sugar and flour as a pair. That would be crazy. That is why, like evangelicals with "John 3:16" bumper stickers on their SUVs, punctuation worshipers cling to CM 6.19 – the Chicago Manual of Style's decree that "in a series consisting of three or more elements, the elements are separated by commas. When a conjunction joins the last two elements in a series, a comma is used before the conjunction." So valuable is that serial comma that it's on frickin' Page 2 of Strunk and White, right after the possessive apostrophe. And it is good.

There are those who disagree. The AP and New York Times eschew it, and everyone knows what a bunch of hacks that lot is. Here at Salon, meanwhile, I can now reveal that for years one of our great roiling internal tumults was over the serial comma. Our house style, imposed largely by the recently departed despot King Kaufman, was opposed to it. I am, clearly, violently in favor of it, and have spent the better part of the last 15 years enduring the pain of watching our editors systematically remove it from my stories. Oh, how it burns!

Why, in a world where "M I RITE?" constitutes a legitimate conversational volley, would anyone care about an Oxford comma? It's precisely because grammar -- don't even get me started on spelling -- has become so expendable that it's conversely become so precious. A friend tells of a text she got prior to a first date with a new man that read, "I'm looking forward to seeing you, too." As she puts it, "A comma before the 'too'? Nobody does that anymore. I saw that and thought, 'I'm in luuuuuuuv.'"

I'm not saying the serial comma works perfectly before every "and." It certainly shouldn't be employed if you're not describing a series -- hence the term. If you're discussing "my friend, a gentleman and a scholar" and you're using "a gentleman and a scholar" to characterize your friend and not two other people along for the ride, a comma there would be a bad idea. But for clarity in list-making, for that sweet pause of breath before the final item in a group, the serial comma cannot be topped.

It's true that Oxford's new punctuation guide is only for its P.R. department, and it comes with the clause that "when a comma would assist in the meaning of the sentence or helps to resolve ambiguity, it can be used." The university press, Oxford further hastens to remind us, remains "a commercially and editorially autonomous organization." But the prospect of the beloved Oxford comma being dumped by its own kin seems cruelly ominous. It's like Hugh Hefner saying he's no longer interested in blondes. And though you may think you've taken away our beloved little swipe of typeface this time, comma haters, the serial comma community is determined, tenacious, and resilient. We will keep sticking the comma into our sentences, and still sacrifice that one valuable character of our tweets in its service. We may still be reeling with denial, anger, bargaining, and depression, but you will never, ever have our acceptance.

UPDATE: In response to the outrage, Oxford University reassured distraught grammar fans today that its comma drama had been greatly exaggerated. Maria Coyle of the university's press office stated that the edict to eschew the serial comma was only for press releases and internal communication, and furthermore "is not new, it's been online for several years already." The Oxford Dictionary's site has also added a new blog post Thursday, reasserting its tough, pro-comma stance. New Hart's Rules live. Long live Hart's Rules.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Miscellaneous; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: communication; english; grammar; oxfordcomma
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To: nickcarraway

In 1960, Miss Paula Wells, in her first year of teaching 4th grade at the Stewart Avenue Elementary School, taught me that the Oxford comma was optional.

Nothing else was optional at the Stewart Avenue Elementary School in 1960.

Thank you, Miss Wells!


61 posted on 07/22/2011 12:07:39 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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To: Hootowl99

LOL! Not really. :)


62 posted on 07/22/2011 12:16:38 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Thane_Banquo

I’m with you.
I’ll continue using a serial comma regardless.


63 posted on 07/22/2011 12:17:40 PM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: Lee'sGhost

The entire CD is pretty good. I got into this band after hearing them on Pandora One a couple of years ago.

I really have no idea what the lyrics mean, but you can find them here: http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858674277/


64 posted on 07/22/2011 12:23:25 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: nickcarraway

I want the world to adopt picas as the primary unit of measurement.


65 posted on 07/22/2011 12:30:54 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I think it was during the Crimean War.


66 posted on 07/22/2011 12:50:25 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: MinuteGal

Is it just me, or is it less appropriate for males to over use exclamation points, than females?


67 posted on 07/22/2011 12:57:53 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: cumbo78

My understanding is that only Biblical names, such as Jesus and Moses, do not need an apostrophe and an “s” to show possession. Therefore, Jesus’ and Moses’ are correct, but you’d type “The Williams’s house” or “Les’s girlfriend.”


68 posted on 07/22/2011 1:25:11 PM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: nickcarraway

69 posted on 07/22/2011 3:29:20 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: nickcarraway

Can we, continue to use, the Shatner comma?


70 posted on 07/22/2011 3:35:23 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

What about the Victor Borge “phonetic pronunciation” comma?


71 posted on 07/22/2011 3:39:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Nea Wood

My understanding is that your understanding is mistaken.

The nuns drilled the Oxford comma into my subconscious, as well as: “NO extra “S” for ANY pluralization of ANY word ending in “S”. A simple apostrophe is adequate for the literate.” Sister Anna, St. Anthony’s Elementary ca mid 1960’s.


72 posted on 07/22/2011 5:44:00 PM PDT by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: Don W

Then why is it Bridget Jones’s Diary and not Bridget Jones’ Diary?


73 posted on 07/22/2011 6:40:40 PM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
They came and took away the commas but i did nothing because I wrote run-on sentences and had no need to separate my thoughts and ideas so my pillow is very comfortable. Then they took away the period but I did nothing because I only twittered - then they took away capitalization but i did nothing because i was a fan of a a milne butnowtheyhavetakenawaymyspacekeyandthereisnoonetohelpme
I'm officially a grammar nerd, as I found that to be hilarious.
74 posted on 07/22/2011 6:43:10 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Nea Wood

Because Hollywood is clueless?

Just because you can find an example or two of an error does not change the fact that it is an error.

Irregardless, the irredundancy of this conversation is irredundant. Relevantly speaking, that is.

(Just a couple of common examples of other peeves that are commonly accepted errors).


75 posted on 07/22/2011 7:34:56 PM PDT by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Brilliant! I’m still Laughing Out Loud.


76 posted on 07/22/2011 9:27:34 PM PDT by Ercoupe
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To: MinuteGal

Thanks! Leni!

I also love! And use ! a lot!


77 posted on 07/22/2011 10:03:41 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (The Constitution is an instrument to protect 'We the People' from the government..)
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>> so write ‘a, b and c’ not ‘a, b, and c’.”

The comma as shown in the former is somewhat of a legal, and logical necessity opposed to being just a legal and logical one.


78 posted on 07/22/2011 10:11:20 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: InvisibleChurch

They took away some letters too...lol I have a hard time deciphering emails from my children, they don’t write- they text.


79 posted on 07/22/2011 10:19:53 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: InvisibleChurch

a a milne reference is perhaps more likely e e cummings; yet, your post is very fun!


80 posted on 07/22/2011 11:57:12 PM PDT by Ercoupe
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