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Doctors begin major stem cell trial for MS patients
BBC ^ | July 29, 2011 | Pallab Ghosh

Posted on 07/29/2011 7:07:43 AM PDT by decimon

A major clinical trial will investigate whether stem cells can be safely used to treat multiple sclerosis (MS).

It is hoped eventually to slow, stop or even reverse the damage MS causes to the brain and spinal cord.

The trial, involving up to 150 patients across Europe, is due to start later this year.

Dr Paolo Muraro from Imperial College London said: "There is very strong pre-clinical evidence that stem cells might be an effective treatment."

Researchers will collect stem cells from the bone marrow of patients, grow them in the laboratory and then re-inject them into their blood.

The stem cells will make their way to the brain where it is hoped that they will repair the damage caused by MS.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: adultstemcells; ms; multiplesclerosis; stemcells

1 posted on 07/29/2011 7:07:46 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Adult stem cells. Once again making those who beg for the death of children cry.


2 posted on 07/29/2011 7:09:04 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Molech will not be pleased.


3 posted on 07/29/2011 7:21:12 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: decimon
They can do all the stem cell research and it still won't work for MS.

I've now worked with 11 people with MS and found the same origination in all of them. The common element was a severe trauma in their childhood around age 4 where they internalized all the emotion. It appears that the child blamed themselves (even though they were the victim) causing internalized guilt. This reversed their subconscious reward/punishment system to cause them to be positively stimulated to criticism (in expectation of the punishment removing the guilt) and negatively stimulated by praise. It is a pattern that is very easy to identify.

It appears that the subconscious punishment continues in the adult by suppressing the allosteric enzymes in the liver from facilitating the Schwann Cells from producing the milene sheath necessary for neural transmission.

This is why primarily females or males with a increased feminine aspect of consciousness get MS. The symptoms increase and decrease according to the environmental influences and correlate to the amount of external punishment received.

The reason age 4 is critical is that the resulting pathway of consciousness is different based upon the age the perceived trauma takes place. Different symptoms result if the event is not in that window.

4 posted on 07/29/2011 7:22:27 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

sorry for spelling.. hit the wrong spellcheck...milene = myelin sheath...


5 posted on 07/29/2011 7:27:24 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: decimon

Hope this is proven to work. My DIL has MS.


6 posted on 07/29/2011 7:36:53 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: decimon; rdb3

Ping


7 posted on 07/29/2011 7:39:00 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: tired&retired
"Worked with"? In what capacity? (Based on previous postings, you're a tax lawyer/CPA.) And, no offense intended, but 11 of 3,000,000 isn't really a representative sampling.

Actually, based on your theory, it would be more amazing for anyone to NOT have MS.

8 posted on 07/29/2011 7:44:16 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: tired&retired

Of the 52 American Hostages held for 444 days in Iran, two later developed MS, and another ALS (also a disease of the milene sheath.

At the time I heard this way back in the day, I privately mused that the kind of stress produced by their captivity may have been a contributing factor to this disproportionate appearance of this disease among the captives.

Have you heard of this?


9 posted on 07/29/2011 7:51:33 AM PDT by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: knittnmom

He is not completely out in left field. What he is referring to is the theory that MS is, at least in part, an epigenetic disease—and many people are starting to believe this may be the case. However, that does not necessarily mean that stem cell treatments won’t be effective.


10 posted on 07/29/2011 7:55:48 AM PDT by The Noodle
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To: The Noodle

Thank you. I, for one, am certainly hoping the stem cell treatment will be effective. Or that something will be found that reverses the course of this insidious disease.


11 posted on 07/29/2011 7:57:41 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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12 posted on 07/29/2011 8:13:55 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: knittnmom
LOL.... When I wear my CPA hat I put it on backwards.... While I still am one and was a tax law professor... I got bored with it and returned to the university as a student, picked up a degree in psychology and went on to study cognitive neuroscience. All this was to understand an unusual ability that changed my life as I read people's fields around their bodies and know their life history without them ever saying one word. My logical beancounter mind needed to know the science behind my unusual ability.

I agree, 11 is a small sample. However, 11 of 11 is a pretty high occurrence rate even for a sample too small to have a normal distribution. I do with psychological development what x-rays do to bones. Ps. I've noticed almost the same patterns in people with cancer and my sample size is a lot larger. When I touch the person's stored memory, I've often had them grab their body, open their eyes and claim that it feels like there is a hot knife in their body.

13 posted on 07/29/2011 8:22:20 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: left that other site

“Of the 52 American Hostages held for 444 days in Iran, two later developed MS, and another ALS”

The key here is that the symptoms developed later, not while they were being held.

I find these things out merely by examining people. I’ve done this with many MD’s and PhD’s in psychology. I explain the science behind it as I am no one special just because I can do this. I really think anyone can do the same thing.

I’ve only ever tested one person with ALS. It was advanced stage and their responce movement was the same as with cancer. Their were some unique attributes that I do not care tgo go into, but again, it was only one person.


14 posted on 07/29/2011 8:28:54 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: The Noodle
“However, that does not necessarily mean that stem cell treatments won’t be effective.”

True, but I would give odds on it as the originating cause is not in the cell structure, but in the consciousness field around it. I feel the contents of this field as tangible physical objects. Epigenetics is the key. What I am speaking of is only one of many epigenetic factors influencing the process.

Ever wonder how the entire specialization of cell development and the biological clock unfolding recipes can all be in a zygote. That's the difference between a zygote and a stem cell.

This is also the reason why Dolly the sheep and other cloned animals prematurely aged. The consciousness attached to the physical cloned body had already unfolded its biological clock.

15 posted on 07/29/2011 8:35:52 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: neverdem; DvdMom; grey_whiskers; Ladysmith; Roos_Girl; Silentgypsy; conservative cat; ...

Ping


16 posted on 07/29/2011 8:48:23 AM PDT by decimon
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To: tired&retired
I have the benefit and hindrance of not originating with a scientific knowledge, but only went that direction to understand what I was experiencing. Thus, I will admit, much of what I say is based upon my own observation and experience, without the specialized education.

I attend as many university symposiums, read as many journals and stay as current on research as I can. But, there is so much in so many specialty fields that it is impossible to put all the pieces of the puzzle together.

For example, a recent grand rounds at a medical school near me included a researcher explaining how genetically modifying the receptor organ for pheromones in the nasal passage (the vomeronasal organ or VNO) changes the sexual behavior in rats by causing females to hump other rats and males developed nurturing and nesting behaviors. There is a huge debate in research circles if the VNO is even active in humans. I am studying this as the possible link between the masculine and feminine consciousness fields where the memories are stored and the physical body.

I was at the Harvard Mind Body Symposium a few years ago with Herb Benson & crew. The paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to have Carmelite nuns pray for people with cancer for a research study. The results, which hit national media were inconclusive. Duh... If you pray for a person who has a subconscious reversal of their reward punishment system they will get worse, not better as they do not feel worthy of the prayerful energy. I could take these same people and demonstrate why they have their cancer by identifying the perception formulation that caused the reversal. It's just instant depth psychology.

17 posted on 07/29/2011 8:53:15 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: knittnmom; tired&retired
Actually, based on your theory, it would be more amazing for anyone to NOT have MS.

Yes.

The real question is, did they drink their Ovaltine?

18 posted on 07/29/2011 8:53:45 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
“Actually, based on your theory, it would be more amazing for anyone to NOT have MS.”

LOL.... There are many variables influencing the end result. That's why there are so many resulting disorders. For example, security issues (Maslov’s base layer in the triangle) are anchored in the lower spinal column. The defense mechanism of the spinal muscles contracting to put a tourniquet hold on the afferent neurons entering the back of the spine by compressing the neural cell body head in the dorsal root ganglion causes much of the back pain. When I touch the stored memories, the pain increases, when I remove the negative emotions attached to the memory, the defense system relaxes and the pain goes away. The problem is that the spinal compression also blocks the efferent visceral neurons from maintaining balance in the abdomen. This often causes the enterochromaffin cells in the lining of the GI from producing serotonin (95% of it is produced there)resulting in depression. SSRI’s don't have much impact on these people due to the overall deficiency of serotonin in the body, thus a re-uptake inhibitor cannot increase the neurotransmitter in the synaptic cleft. The religious exercise of fasting does the same thing, thus causing unresolved issues to surface for cleansing.

By giving people antidepressants, we are often stopping them from going through the dark night of the soul experience which is necessary for spiritual cleansing and growth.

19 posted on 07/29/2011 9:15:37 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

What are your suggestions for overcoming their subconscious reward/punishment system? If your theory is correct, I’d like to try to help my DIL.


20 posted on 07/29/2011 9:28:44 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: tired&retired

Very interesting phenomena. I can understand why you’d seek to find out more.


21 posted on 07/29/2011 9:30:58 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: knittnmom
“What are your suggestions for overcoming their subconscious reward/punishment system? If your theory is correct, I’d like to try to help my DIL.”

First, here is a simple test. Close your eyes and say to yourself 5 times silently “I love myself.” Now stop and be aware of the level of muscle tension in your body, especially around the lower neck area.

Second, close your eyes and say to yourself 5 times silently “I hate myself.” Again, be aware of your muscle tension.

Do not allow your intellect to dictate what you feel. Just feel it.

In people with a reversed reward punishment system, the muscle tension is quite high during the positive statement, and relaxed during the negative statement. While this is quite simple, it works as a screening process.

I have never found a person with cancer who did not have this reversal.

The problem occurs in the methodology used to store childhood memories. They are usually blocked from retrieval in order to protect the child. This is what causes most childhood amnesia for adults trying to recollect events. One of the best techniques is to use an emotional bridging technique as they allow access. However, much anxiety pain is caused by the bodies defense mechanism trying to block the retrieval of these memories. Having a competent therapist guide you through the process is by far the best. Cognitive therapy NEVER works to remove or repair an emotional memory. At best it blocks access to it.

This is a little more complex than I can put in a few paragraphs. Safety is really important while you are going through the process as it can become overwhelming otherwise.

22 posted on 07/29/2011 9:50:12 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired; knittnmom
“Actually, based on your theory, it would be more amazing for anyone to NOT have MS.”

knittnmom wrote that.

(Maslov’s base layer in the triangle)

Maslow.

Rather than hijacking the thread with your Carlos Castaneda brand of psychology, why not put it in a vanity thread of your own?

23 posted on 07/29/2011 9:58:08 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

He spelled it both ways. I have read many texts using the “V” It does not matter to me. His work was greatly improved post-humously when they added self-transcendence above self-actualization

Maslov
(Russian), or Maslova (feminine), is a popular Russian and Russian-Jewish surname which may refer to:

People Abraham Maslow, American psychologist Aleksandr Maslov, Russian ex-footballer Alexey Maslov, Russian Ground Forces general, current commander-in-chief of the Ground Forces James Maslow, American actor and singer Nina Maslova, Russian actress


24 posted on 07/29/2011 10:10:41 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: decimon

“Rather than hijacking the thread with your Carlos Castaneda brand of psychology, why not put it in a vanity thread of your own?”

How did you know my true identity.....LOL. Vanity thread... No that would not be Castanada style. He preferred to be the ghost...

I love his quote: “I’m not insane, you know. Well, maybe a little insane. But not ridiculously insane!”


25 posted on 07/29/2011 10:28:22 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Yes. You are right. The symptoms developed later, and around the same time for all three ex-hostages.

I can’t even imagine what those people were put through.


26 posted on 07/29/2011 10:56:34 AM PDT by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: decimon; All
But I thought Michael J Fox said we MUST use Embryonic Stem Cells to treat MS when pimping for Claire McCaskill!


27 posted on 07/29/2011 11:00:54 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Stabbing Boehner, West, Pence, Ryan in the back will not make Obama, Reid cave.)
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28 posted on 07/30/2011 1:55:32 AM PDT by Cowgirl
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To: Cowgirl

I came across this video about how this lady beat her MS with the paleo diet. It’s very interesting and informative.

http://wimp.com/mindingmitochondria/


29 posted on 01/24/2012 8:06:07 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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