Posted on 08/11/2011 7:49:26 PM PDT by dila813
Ok, I am out shopping for the perfect retreat to get away from the city and if required live out there without any resupply required.
What I have so far identified: 1. Plentiful Nearby Food Supplies 2. Lots of Land 3. Shelters - anything specific about the shelter other than insulation, wood heat, and wind power with back up generators? 4. Guns? 5. Ammo? 6. Tools? 7. Sanitation?
I guess you could buy a Mel Tappan book, it would not be a bad start. You probably need to define specifically what type of apocolypse you expect.
I thought about this at one time, but a sailing expert told me to forget it because even with mending, the sails aren’t going to make it for many years. They said unless I had a really big one with a really big crew that could make new ones from natural harvested products it would be a loosing battle.
Also the boat that big would need to be placed in lay-up every 5 years.
I am talking a mild one, at least at first
you know, 40%+ unemployment, people starving in the city, dogs and children living together in dog houses, shoes 5 years old.
Human feces in the street...
game Oregon Trail?
What’s that?
Casino game?
“Trustworthy friends and family There’s no greater weapon than a man who has your back and a whole network of people doing the same is orders of magnitude greater.”
And my big-city friends wonder why a moved to a very small town (Under 1,000) a few years ago....
I am going to check out the survivalblog.com to see what I can learn.
thanks for the link
Just reesolved the dental issue by taking the final solution. Making replacement dentures could be a problem. Society is necessary. A small town is preferable to a wilderness.
In the end though, it makes no difference.
If things become as bad as you or I can imagine, who gives a krap who owns the land? Buy yourself a good, used motor home, stock it with a first aid kit, camping supplies, etc. find a place to bug out and do it.
In the end of the world scenario, what are property rights?
Property owners can defend against evil or embrace the good. According to your own ideals (and theirs) property owners will embrace you or try and kill you.
You'll be defending your presence either way. . .
There is a town that is on the other side of the mountain about 12 miles away, but if society falls apart there isn’t going to be a dentist there.
Travel to some remote areas out west in states like Idaho and Montana. Make friends with some of the locals and pick their brains. The Salmon River valley in Idaho would be a good reference point.
Those folks live self-sufficiency out of necessity and you could learn a lot from them.
That being said, if society collapses to the point where we need to retreat and live off the land, I doubt any of us would be long for this world. Centuries of reliance on aggressive and advanced medical treatments have left us with inadequate immune systems.
I only want to own the land so I can prep, it doubles as a vacation house too.
It gives me a safe destination to go to where everything is there and standing by.
re: sanitation
Buy some 1 lb bags of dry chlorine pool shock. You can make lots of bleach from it and that stuff has a 20 year shelf life unlike LC. Mixing rules are on the net.
We've slowly built up our stock of whole grains and bought a good hand grain mill. They are expensive though, about $300. I bought one of the expensive ones after buying a cheap one. The cheaper ones only grind the grain up enough to where it's more like cracked wheat than anything else.
One of the best books I've read on how to do this is, How to Survive the End of the World as We Know It: Tactics, Techniques, and Technologies for Uncertain Times
I am hoping if I don’t survive that my children and their decedents will....it is really for them I feel I need to create this as an insurance plan
It is a shame it is always the kids that have to pay.
All the above, plus a lot of luck. Friends and neighbors that you can depend on are key. You can’t stay awake 24/7 you can be watching the horizon and digging tatters at the same time. and two or more sets shoulders hold up the world a lot better than one.
As for me in a ‘Mad Max/Book of Eli’ scenario luck will have as much as anything to do with your survival. Me I am looking gearing up more to survive a ‘Running Man/Max Headroom/One Second After’ type situation.
No I am not saying that its impossible to survive in a ‘Mad Max’ world many of our fore fathers made their way with not much more than an axe and a gun, but even then luck had a lot to do with things.
Like I said for me I am just trying to lay enough aside to make it thought something like the collapse of Argentina’s ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yerKMQc7-w&feature=grec_index), but a much more violent version. We have a larger entitlement minded population and a much more violent and armed population than Argentina and I see many many small business wiped out by flash mob looting, and see rape, robbery and murder for murder sake. Many of these ‘yutes’ will think no more about killing you than most people think about stepping on a roach. That will be the test of many. Most preppers I know are Christian people and they will hesitate to do what they might have to do the ‘yutes’ won’t in fact they will smile and laugh about it.
Think of this quote which is one of my favorites:
“Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Siege of AR-558 (#7.8)” (1998)
Quark: Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.
Now go look at some of the videos of the riots in the UK and of some of the flash mobs here in the US and look into there eyes.
For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:
http://www.tomeaker.com/kart/preparedness1i.pdf
For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.
As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”
Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3
Lastly this for the doubters and the scoffers.
“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.
Underestimation can be fatal.”
Understood.
If it is affordable, do it.
Water well or water source. That is all you need. The rest, you can handle, particularly if there is animal life.
Water, food, defense.
If the end of the world does not happen, you still have a nice vacation spot.
I highly recommend Colorado. We did not buy because of “environmental studies” Long story.
Good luck, friend.
PING!!!
Thanks for the PDF, that is awesome!
Bolt holes are places to go for very short term periods. Survival requires a community with a plan. If you’re thinking of hiding out for five years, might as well just stay in the city and take your chances there.
A small rural community gives you more options and more chances of actually surviving anything serious.
BUT, that wasn’t what you were asking about. You were asking about what’s best for your bolt hole.
I’d strongly suggest getting and practicing with a slingshot, as well as buying and practicing with traps and snares. No need to expend your ammo supply which might be needed for far more dangerous creatures than what’s in the local food chain, and it doesn’t attract as much attention. A few solar panels and a battery can provide silent light, and cans of white fuel are extremely easy to store, transport, and use for cooking and heating without giving away much in position.
Grain and spice storage is extremely easy and well documented on the net, and it sounds like the water supply isn’t an issue. All in all, my biggest suggestion is give the most care to solutions that require little to no effort to use and maintain. An electric light powered by batteries charged with a solar panel eliminates replacing mantels, refilling fuel tanks and exhausting gasses. A tank filled by a small pump over a period of days beats hauling buckets of water. A trap provides fresh food without requiring hunting.
A digital reader and a few hours spent on the project Gutenberg can give months worth of reading materials, and requires little energy to recharge.
Last, but never least, is getting a ham license and becoming familiar with how to use the radios. You’ll need a method of communication that can survive degradation in service and you’d be communicating with a group who is more often than not intelligent and level headed.
Do you want a home bunker, or one outside the city?
Where will you be when the SHTF?
If everybody is evacuating the city, how will YOU get through?
Are you planning for 3 weeks, 3 months, or 3 years?
How you plan depends on the scenario you’re defending against.
I say do the best you can preparing your home, because you’re better off defending what you have than trying to move it, or stockpile another location.
If you’re lucky enough to have a plan B outside the city, good for you.
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