[Lonesome in Massachussets]

There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy...

"The science is [never] settled."

I like the Einstein as Ptolemy analogy. Ptolemy was a great scientist, one of the greatest who ever lived. People who have no understanding of his achievements casually dismiss him. Will people five hundred years from now be casually dismissing Einstein?

I find it provocative that they are relying on GPS as the common timing signal. And the law of large numbers to reduce the timing errors...

I'll go out on a limb and say that it's more likely that they detect a timing bias than that they overturn Special Relativity.

The most refreshing part of the article is the scientists determination to air their results and disclose their methods, rather than act like those dorks at the CRU. Scientists are not supposed to have all the answers, they are supposed to ask the right questions and ask them honestly.

[the invisib1e hand]

yeah. you know, the particles that they theorize exist.

[evad]

Like Obama when he smells a wallet

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

I remember reading about them in Scientific American in the late Sixties. As Tachyon Neutrinos lose energy, they increase their speed. Back in the Sixties it was hypothesized that, some tachyons, having collided with so many other sub-atomic particles, were going so fast, THEY WERE EVERYWHERE,,,ALLTHE TIME!

[no-to-illegals]

Science has always been a fascinating topic. Full agreement ... "The science is [never] settled." for the ultimate scientist is not of this world, and His comprehension and creativity will never belong to humans. The possibilities being infinite, and the discoveries being so finitely small will constantly leave room for a constant to no longer be constant.

[Fester Chugabrew]

299,792, 458 meters/second seems relatively slow

[Rapscallion]

Neutrinos may have been observed traveling faster than the speed of light.

Naw those were just Obama's falling ratings you saw.

[SampleMan]

So how does light know the speed of it’s origin without a limiting medium? This has always been my issue with a set speed of light. When my spaceship is going .5C and I turn on my headlights, how do the light particles “know” what the current speed is? Further, all speed is measured based on relative position . In a swirling universe, how exactly does one go about defining the null? Light in space doesn’t have medium constrict is like sound does on earth.

[SkyDancer]

Heck, ask Scotty. He knows he can push the Enterprise to warp factor 9, but just for a bit. The dylithium crystals overheat.

[adorno]

Okay...

So, Einstein’s theories and the speed of light may not be “settled science”, but, global warming is settled science and unchallengeable.

(Sorry if off-topic).

[tickles]

These neutrino things sound like what are shot out from some lab around Chicago and that they attempt to collect an underground lab in Ely, MN. We didn’t tour the lab but did tour the mine and there was some information, plus the guy that took us down into the mine told us about the Chicago to Ely thing while we were squashed into the car waiting for the one above (or was it below) us to load. We rode down into the mine just the way the miners did was a long ride, close to a mile(I think, it’s been awhile).
The lab itself only has tours one time during the day and we got there to late for that.

[MHGinTN]

So, if the speed limit for ‘things’ in our spacetime is the speed of light, if a ‘thing’ is moving faster than the speed limit that ‘thing’ is no longer existing in our spacetime ... if not a timing bias, perhaps a bias toward what is Time? To this point in human History, there have been no observations of anything that has not already occurred, so would this ‘phenomenon’ being reproted be approaching observation of a current —that’s a present, not past— event? BWahahhahahaha, science is so much fun.

[martin_fierro]

[ColdSteelTalon]

Scientists have a great faith to follow... They have faith in science...

[tweakDU]

What is the speed of dark?

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Einstein should have said "the science is settled" and we wouldn't have to deal with all this experimental nonsense.

[The Cajun]

How about a Neutrino is really a tachyon traveling at its’ slowest possible speed and its’ theoretical mass is really a negative mass?

Not totally in our spatial and temporal reference frame, but not totally out of it.

[allmost]

This is very interesting. The whole experiment was an attempt to gather information on neutrino oscillations and they find this.
I would assume that the particle never travels faster than c. The question was why and how a neutrino can transform into different particles (electron, muon, and tau). I'd guess the speed/time discrepancy in these experiments would be related to the particle changes themselves. In transforming from an electron to a muon there must be either a superpostioned state where both exist or the wavefunction itself collapses and is 'reborn'. The first is most likely the case. Superpositioned information is not ruled by relativity. "spooky action at a distance".