CDC now calling U.S. households and demanding child immunization records

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[Lazamataz]

For example, this comment:

What the CDC is also probably not telling you is that people who answer the survey and admit they have not given their children vaccines could in theory be added to a quarantine list to be arrested and thrown into FEMA camps during the next pandemic outbreak.

'In theory'.

Hell, 'in theory' they could come into your house and rape your teenage daughter too.

'In theory'. Sheesh. This is hyperventilation and hyperbole at it's finest.

[oh8eleven]

Gooood catch. How feckin’ convenient for them.

[RL-PAC]

Yep, probably came from other misinformed organizations who spread dissent in America, like Natural News. Again, I take you back to the definition of PANDEMIC.

[algernonpj]

... Some vaccines really are unnecessary. There is a vaccine for babies for Rotavirus which can be treated successfully with probiotics! Now why would I want to give my baby a vaccine for something that can be resolved with something natural such as a probiotic ~ yogurt?!

IIRC, good hygiene (hand washing, soap and water) and cleanliness alone will prevent many cases of Rotavirus.

What ticks me off is those who equate that unnecessary vaccine for Rotavirus with saying no to a vaccine for a disease that is easily spread through casual contact AND causes high numbers of death and severe disability AND that one is likely to be exposed to.

[algernonpj]

Yep, probably came from other misinformed organizations who spread dissent in America, like Natural News. Again, I take you back to the definition of PANDEMIC.

RL-PAC
Since you obviously didn't read my post, here's a review:

WHO changed the definition of PANDEMIC from:
"An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity, resulting in several, simultaneous epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness. With the increase in global transport and communications, as well as urbanization and overcrowded conditions, epidemics due the new influenza virus are likely to quickly take hold around the world (emphasis added)".

TO:
"A disease epidemic occurs when there are more cases of that disease than normal. A pandemic is a worldwide epidemic of a disease. An influenza pandemic may occur when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity. With the increase in global transport, as well as urbanization and overcrowded conditions in some areas, epidemics due to a new influenza virus are likely to take hold around the world, and become a pandemic faster than before. WHO has defined the phases of a pandemic to provide a global framework to aid countries in pandemic preparedness and response planning. Pandemics can be either mild or severe in the illness and death they cause, and the severity of a pandemic can change over the course of that pandemic (emphasis added)."

For screen prints see post above.

[algernonpj]

... The anti-immunization fools need to watch documentaries about what life was like with polio and smallpox, etc. See how children ended up with twisted limbs, paralyzed, or condemned to spend the rest of their lives in iron lungs.

As for me and mine, we'll take our chances with the vaccines.

Ah the small pox and polio cards.

And the last time you and your family were innoculated for small pox or polio was .....

IIRC small pox vaccine has not been routine in the US since before the 1970's and polio is not recommended for adults.

[Mase]

What ticks me off is those who equate that unnecessary vaccine for Rotavirus with saying no to a vaccine for a disease that is easily spread through casual contact AND causes high numbers of death and severe disability AND that one is likely to be exposed to.

Huh?

The CDC says that prior to the rotavirus vaccine, almost every child in the US could expect to become infected with the virus before their 5th birthday. Prior to the vaccine, rotavirus was responsible for more than 400,000 doctor visits; more than 200,000 emergency room visits and 55,000 to 70,000 hospitalizations every year in the USA just in children under 5 years old. It's unfortunate that all these folks weren't aware that they simply needed to wash their hands with soap and water more often or eat more yogurt! What a bunch of uninformed nonsense.

Globally, rotavirus is responsible for killing 500,000 infants and children every year. Since the rotavirus vaccine was commercialized in 2006, the rate of hospitalization from rotavirus infections has dropped more than 75% in the US.

Yeah, the vaccine is totally unnecessary. Good grief, why is it the people who know the least about a topic are always the first to offer opinion as fact about it? Luddites are a trip.

[Mase]

It appears you’ve never heard of community immunity. Luddites tend to ignore these kinds of concepts even though they benefit greatly from them. It’s a good thing public health in this country is being managed by people smarter than the average Luddite.

[algernonpj]

It appears you’ve never heard of community immunity

Real cute, trying to get me to defend something I never said. FYI the term generally used is herd immunity.

It’s a good thing public health in this country is being managed by people smarter than the average Luddite.

Highly questionable assumption on your part.

[PghBaldy]

Uh, this isn’t supposed to be a democracy. While I disagree with the anti-vaccine movement, I don’t trust the gov, especially the Obama Regime. Hi newbie. For all I know, yo work for Cass Sunstein.

[algernonpj]

Mase

Your faith in the CDC, the EPA, the FDA, all of whom has signed on to man-made global warming and adjusted their policies and recommendations accordingly is really inspiring!

It’s nice to see some who rather wasting the time required to beg an informed consumer of health care takes the word of the CDC, FDA, and EPA without question.

[Mase]

Real cute, trying to get me to defend something I never said. FYI the term generally used is herd immunity.

You were marveling at the fact that the small pox vaccination is no longer necessary and few people in this country contract polio. Do you have any clue as to why that is? It's because of the community immunity provided by vaccines. We'd never have reached that point if it had been left up to Luddites like you. We'd still have people dying from small pox while others spend their short lives in an iron lung suffering from polio. Btw, it doesn't matter if you call it "herd" immunity or "community" immunity. They mean the exact same thing, and anyone with any knowledge of vaccines understands that they are interchangeable.

You know nothing about vaccines or the benefits they provide (as evidenced by your obvious ignorance surrounding the rotavirus and the incredible impact the vaccine has had) but, for some unknown reason, that doesn't prevent you from offering your uninformed opinion as fact on this forum

Highly questionable assumption on your part.

Are you saying we'd be better off as a country without immunizations? That appears to be your position on the subject. If so, the Luddites are better informed on the topic than you are. It's a shame you're totally unaware of the progress being made with vaccines against cancer. It is also a sad commentary that you are ignorant of the number of people, especially children and teens, who no longer have to worry about contracting bacterial meningitis due to the vaccine. In a short time, there will be a meningitis vaccine available for children under 11. Add the rotavirus vaccine to the list along with the HPV and shingles vaccines, and it becomes clear that the Luddites, including the toxic terrorists as Natural News, are nothing more than fools on parade.

[algernonpj]

Another good try to get me to defend what I never said, post a mish mash of lies, half lies and go further off topic, and mock those who would be informed consumers of health care.

I have to repeat your faith in the CDC, the EPA, the FDA, all of whom has signed on to man-made global warming and adjusted their policies and recommendations accordingly is really inspiring!

It’s inspiring to see some who rather wasting the time required to be an informed consumer of health care takes the word of the CDC, FDA, and EPA without question.

OTH I’d rather be an informed consumer, someone you seem to equate with a Luddite.

[Fireone]

Another candidate for defunding immediately!
UN, EPA, CDC, UN, DEA, DOE, UN, DHS, TSA, UN,....
Did I mention the UN?

[Mase]

Oh, puhleeze. I can speak intelligently about these organizations because I understand them, while you offer up your uneducated opinion as fact. Now you want to change the subject away from your flagrant ignorance of immunology (to global warming no less - LOL!) by trying to paint me as some big government type like all those folks who want to empower the government to raise my taxes, while increasing government's influence over the economy (picking winners and losers), by dictating to consumers who they can and cannot buy from. You big government conservative Luddites are certainly a trip.

I think science should be left to those who understand it and practice it. I think we should get our information from educated people who work in the profession rather than some chemicalphobe at an alarmist website. An informed consumer is someone who knows better than to offer their naivete as fact. If you have a source that refutes what I wrote, and bases their information on sound science, please post so we can consider it. In the meantime, you've posted nothing but nonsense on this thread and, rightfully so, you've been called on it. How you deal with that fact really isn't of any interest to me.

[MD Expat in PA]

Ah the small pox and polio cards.

And the last time you and your family were innoculated for small pox or polio was .....

IIRC small pox vaccine has not been routine in the US since before the 1970's and polio is not recommended for adults.

And the reason the small pox is not routinely given anymore is that the vaccine pretty much wiped it out as a threat. And AFAIK, the polio vaccine is still being given as part of the normal schedule of childhood vaccinations.

BTW, in the early ‘60’s my older brother at the age of 12, had both Encephalitis and Meningitis as a complication of having had the Mumps. While complications like this are rare and having two complications are even rarer; the likelihood of getting a complication from the disease is much greater than the risk from the vaccine to prevent Mumps in the first place.

My brother came as close to death as one can; deep coma for many days, his veins collapsed, his EKG nearly but not quite flat, he was even given Last Rites by a Priest. The doctors told my parents he probably wouldn’t live and if he did, he’d be severely brain damaged, they told my parents all that was left to do was to pray for him.

He did recover but he spent nearly 3 months in the hospital and had to re-learn to talk, walk and feed himself again because his motor skills were so messed up, his brain having been scrambled pretty good. It took several years before he was fully recovered.

You can be sure my parents were very diligent in making sure I got all my vaccinations. My brother made sure his kids got their vaccinations. And if I had children of my own, I would do the same.

[whd23]

Ah the small pox and polio cards.

Why are vaccinations against smallpox and polio no longer recommended?

[Mase]

You poor thing. Maybe you should learn to say what you mean and mean what you say. It's pretty obvious to anyone reading your posts that my interpretation was spot on. Your transparent attempt to change the subject to AGW also tells me it was spot on. The fact that you refuse to defend what you wrote tells me I'm spot on.

You're not an informed consumer, you are an ignorant consumer. You fear the things you don't understand which is why you buy into the craziness offered by Natural News when it comes to the subject of vaccines. You can't differentiate between what is good for you and what is bad for you. That doesn't make you informed. No, it's something much worse.

[algernonpj]

...Your transparent attempt to change the subject to AGW also tells me it was spot on. The fact that you refuse to defend what you wrote tells me I'm spot on....

I said exactly what I meant and have no problem defending it.

And despite any insults from you I will not defend something I did not say.

...Your transparent attempt to change the subject to AGW also tells me it was spot on. ...

I have to admire your tenacity in defending the CDC, FDA, and EPA who have signed on to man-made global warming and adjusted their policies accordingly. This is extremely relevant because it is a big sign that politics and the 'science of consensus' have overtaken reason and the scientific method at these three agencies. A recent example is what passed for science in the mandated switch from CFC inhalers to inferior HFA inhalers in order to 'save' the ozone hole and prevent an epidemic of melanoma. ;)

[Scythian]

Agreed, and meanwhile the CDC is spending it’s time studying school lunches and obese kids so they can recommend more to the nanny state while serious diseases, new ones, go undiagnosed and are spreading.