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Discovery orders Steve Jobs documentary with 'Mythbusters' hosts
Entertainment Weekly ^ | 10/11/2011 | by James Hibbard

Posted on 10/12/2011 2:13:17 PM PDT by Swordmaker

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Discovery has ordered a documentary on the life of the late Steve Jobs, with the Mythbusters duo on board to host. The network is teaming with NBC’s Peacock Productions for iGenius: How Steve Jobs Changed the World, a one-hour special. Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman, who celebrate the spirit of innovation on Discovery’s hit Mythbusters, will host the show.

“Someone once said that to follow the path that others have laid before you is a very reasonable course of action, therefore all progress is made by unreasonable men,” Savage said. “Steve Jobs was an unreasonable man. He didn’t simply give the public what they wanted, he defined entirely new ways of thinking about our lives in the digital space: productivity, creativity, music, communication, media and art. He has touched, directly and indirectly, all of our lives.”

The special has already lined up interviews with several key names to talk about the Apple co-founder and CEO, including: Lee Felsenstein, founding member of the Homebrew Computer Club, Daniel Kottke, who traveled to India with Jobs and who later become an early Apple employee, and John Draper, an engineer who gave Jobs his start. Musicians Stevie Wonder and Pete Wentz will talk about how Jobs’ innovations impacted their careers.

The documentary premieres Sunday, Oct. 16 at 8 p.m. and will air across Discovery’s portfolio of networks in 210 countries and territories.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: apple; delusion; documentary; hesdeadjim; hype; mac; stevejobs

1 posted on 10/12/2011 2:13:21 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; Aliska; altair; ...
Discovery Channel will air Steve Jobs documentary on Sunday, October 16, 2011, at 8:00PM, hosted by the Mythbusters—PING!


Steve Jobs Documentary Ping!

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2 posted on 10/12/2011 2:19:05 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker

I like these guys. Jamie and whats-his-name.


3 posted on 10/12/2011 2:19:44 PM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Swordmaker

Did you know that Apple got their Windows operating system from Xerox?


4 posted on 10/12/2011 2:19:54 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Swordmaker

From what I understand, he was somewhat of a jerk when dealing with subordinates. I also understand he wasn’t above being dishonest in his business dealings. The coup de grace- denying paternity of one of his kids- even claiming he was sterile. I wonder if the “Mythbusters” will mention this?


5 posted on 10/12/2011 2:20:54 PM PDT by Krankor (Electrical banana Is gonna be a sudden craze Electrical banana Is bound to be the very next phase)
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To: Swordmaker

Just a little history - John Draper was also known as the Phone Phreak “Captain Crunch” taking his name from a whistle that was available in the same-named serial as a prize that would reliably emit 2600 Hz. The two Steve’s had a period where they were building “Blue Boxes” to sell to other phone phreaks. Draper also wrote the first text editor available for the IBM PC - EasyWriter.


6 posted on 10/12/2011 2:36:29 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: tallyhoe
Did you know that Apple got their Windows operating system from Xerox?

No, I did not know that, because it isn't true. Apple was already developing its own GUI at the time of the visit.

Apple developed their windows GUI on their own with some ideas they bought from Xerox for $7 million in pre-IPO stock by observing what Xerox was doing at its Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) in two visits that totaled only 16 hours for six people. Apple took NO CODE and only observed. Steve Jobs arranged the visit because they were working on a GUI and his primary GUI engineer had been one of the software engineers at PARC and said they should see what they were researching there. So Steve approached Xerox' management and worked out a deal to do just that. The two GUIs are very different although they superficially look similar.

Apple, on its own developed movable self repairing windows, drop down and nested hierarchal menus (Xerox's appeared wherever the mouse pointer was), Menu bars, drag and drop copying, as well as drag to an icon to invoke the icon's abilities, overlapping windows, and a host of other features of the windowing GUI that were not at all present in the smalltalk windows that Xerox showed on those visits.

Before you add the myth Apple got the mouse from Xerox that's usually included in this canard, that is also untrue. Apple got that from the Stanford Research Institute, where it was actually invented by Douglas Englebart in the 1960s... and Apple, unlike Microsoft, and Xerox, actually licensed it for their use.

7 posted on 10/12/2011 2:46:06 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Krankor
From what I understand, he was somewhat of a jerk when dealing with subordinates. I also understand he wasn’t above being dishonest in his business dealings. The coup de grace- denying paternity of one of his kids- even claiming he was sterile. I wonder if the “Mythbusters” will mention this?

Yes, he could be... and he thought he was sterile. But two years later he found he was not and claimed her... In fact the LISA computer is named for her. There were a few early incidents where he was less than honest with Woz... but later he has been extremely honest in his dealings, always giving credit where it was due. In the case of Wozniak, the $600 Atari deal was more than made up by the fact that he made Woz a multimillionaire hundreds of times over. Woz was going to be happy with an "atta boy" from the members of the "Home Brew Computer Club" for making the Apple II. Steve turned it into the most valuable corporation in the world.

8 posted on 10/12/2011 2:52:12 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker

Now that he has passed, and can’t speak for himself, just look at the people trying to milk the corpse.


9 posted on 10/12/2011 3:00:03 PM PDT by glyptol
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To: Swordmaker; tallyhoe

A matched set!

10 posted on 10/12/2011 3:02:15 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Right up the street from XEROX PARC!)
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To: Swordmaker; tallyhoe; Krankor
Apple developed their windows GUI on their own with some ideas they bought from Xerox for $7 million in pre-IPO stock by observing what Xerox was doing at its Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) in two visits that totaled only 16 hours for six people. Apple took NO CODE and only observed.

Yes, he could be... [a jerk when dealing with subordinates]

... he thought he was sterile. But two years later he found he was not and claimed her... In fact the LISA computer is named for her...

There were a few early incidents where he was less than honest with Woz... In the case of Wozniak, the $600 Atari deal was more than made up by the fact that he made Woz a multimillionaire hundreds of times over. Woz was going to be happy with an "atta boy" from the members of the "Home Brew Computer Club" for making the Apple II. Steve turned it into the most valuable corporation in the world.


11 posted on 10/12/2011 3:07:54 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Talisker

I hope the show discloses that Steve was inspired by his LSD experiences....Many of us, if we are candid, will reported life changing inspiration by the same catalyst in the 70’s. Jobs reported that his LSD tripping was among his top three most profound influences.


12 posted on 10/12/2011 3:30:16 PM PDT by mountaineer1997
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To: tallyhoe

My understanding is that Apple adapted the Xerox idea of a mouse and improved on it.


13 posted on 10/12/2011 3:49:06 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Swordmaker

A clever marketer of technologies already in use is gone. Plenty more where that one came from.

14 posted on 10/12/2011 3:53:49 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: mountaineer1997
I hope the show discloses that Steve was inspired by his LSD experiences....Many of us, if we are candid, will reported life changing inspiration by the same catalyst in the 70’s. Jobs reported that his LSD tripping was among his top three most profound influences.

Steve Jobs said a lot of things.

Like, for example, The Elevator Question.

Ever hear of it?

No?

It goes like this:

You work at Apple, and you get into an elevator, and Steve Jobs gets into the elevator with you, and the doors close.

Steve looks at you and says, "what do you do here"?

Here's the fun part: you have until the door opens to convince him you're valuable enough to keep your job.

Fun Fact: No Apple building was taller than four stories.

Other Fun Fact: Jobs didn't just actually fire people this way - literally as he walked out of the elevator - he enjoyed it.

Jobs hemorrhaged excellent talent, right in the middle of Silicon Valley, where people could - and did - walk down the street and get another job, with stock options, at a better salary, if you pissed them off.

He didn't care - he was notorious for this. He wrecked projects, teams, divisions, year after year after year.

And why? Because he could. He was Steve Jobs.

And if you were too valuable to screw with, you got "The Honeymoon." Where Steve would praise you to everyone, everywhere. Invite you over, take you out, be mesmerized by you. And you know why he'd do it? Because after you were nice and pumped up, then he could give YOU the Elevator Question, and either fire you, or ridicule in front of the entire company.

Merit didn't enter into it - only vulnerability.

Not a "nice guy"?

You have no idea.

There's a reason he and the Clintons got along so well, and it goes way beyond mere politics.

15 posted on 10/12/2011 3:58:55 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Swordmaker

John Draper, a.k.a. Captain Crunch, I believe.

Dan Kottke’s a cousin (distant I think) to Leo Kottke, in case anyone wondered.


16 posted on 10/12/2011 4:51:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: kidd
My understanding is that Apple adapted the Xerox idea of a mouse and improved on it.

Doug Engelbart of Stanford Research Institute invented the Mouse, not Xerox... and Apple licensed it from SRI. The did improve on it. Some others added more buttons. Apple eventually accepted the need for more buttons.

17 posted on 10/12/2011 4:53:56 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: tallyhoe

> Did you know that Apple got their Windows operating system from Xerox?

Did you know that Windows is actually a Microsoft product?


18 posted on 10/12/2011 4:55:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: martin_fierro

http://www.archaeology.org/1107/features/mos_technology_6502_computer_chip_cpu.html


19 posted on 10/12/2011 4:58:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Swordmaker

How can they do a show with out blowing any thing up?


20 posted on 10/12/2011 4:58:44 PM PDT by ThomasThomas ( If you can't laugh at your self, I well for you.)
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To: tallyhoe
And did you know that Boeing got their airplane-making ideas from the Wright Brothers and that Sam Walton started the Walmart chain only after having seen the Ben Franklin chain of stores?

Some people invent...others have the ability to refine, develop and market the product for mass consumption. In the case of Apple, they did a lot of both.

21 posted on 10/12/2011 6:48:43 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Swordmaker

DVR is set!


22 posted on 10/12/2011 9:07:26 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Talisker

You sound like someone who knew Jobs personally, or were one of those “elevator” disgruntled employees.

Either that, or you read one of the hit pieces that have been written over the years.

That being said - Jobs’ ugly side IS well documented - and it was even somewhat portrayed on the “Pirates of Silicon Valley” (or maybe that’s where you got your statements?).


23 posted on 10/12/2011 9:14:07 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Microsoft was asked to refine Apples/Xerox op system and Microsoft called it windows. That is one of the feuds between Apple and Microsoft!!!


24 posted on 10/12/2011 11:32:48 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: kidd

My understanding is that Apple adapted the Xerox idea of a mouse and improved on it. But Xerox had the idea first but didn’t have the idea of what to do with it! Microsoft actually refined it for Apple that is how Microsoft got their Windows system!


25 posted on 10/12/2011 11:35:08 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: tallyhoe
Microsoft was asked to refine Apples/Xerox op system and Microsoft called it windows. That is one of the feuds between Apple and Microsoft!!!

Uh, no, they were not. Where do you get your historical factoids? Who do you think made such a request of Microsoft?

Microsoft was contracted by Apple to write a word processor, spreadsheet, and database package for the Macintosh... to do that task they needed access to the Macintosh's code base. While they worked on what became Microsoft Office for Mac (which came out before any such application package for DOS), Microsoft was copying Apple's intellectual property and the result was Windows.

No one "asked" Microsoft to "refine" Apple's or Xerox's Operating systems. They used their unique access to the trade secrets of Apple's intellectual property to steal them. That's why the movie was named "The Pirates of Silicon Valley"! Microsoft did not pay Xerox for any visits to PARC. They did not license the software from Apple. They DID sign a poorly drafted agreement with a former sugar water salesman who was, unfortunately, the CEO of Apple for a license for some of the IP of the GUI of the Mac that was supposed to be limited to Windows 1 through Windows 2, but It was so poorly written that a luddite non-tech knowledgeable judge said the agreement only applied to the TRASH CAN icon and a few minor issues of similar importance when Apple sued over copyright infringement for Windows 95... so Microsoft changed it's trashcan to the Recycle Bin! ... went on its merry way, using Apple's basic designs, upside down and backwards. . . and driving people to tearing their hair out.

26 posted on 10/13/2011 12:38:33 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Talisker
You have no idea.

Sounds like you were fired for non-performance. Get over it and move on.
27 posted on 10/13/2011 12:46:24 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: ThomasThomas

Maybe they’ll blow up a couple of Windows operating systems in a fireball-filled tribute.


28 posted on 10/13/2011 12:54:20 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: fremont_steve

Supposedly, Draper was working informally off the books with Apple to create an Apple II “phone card,” an internal modem that would have been way ahead of its time in an era when modems had acoustic couplers. Someone, either Draper or Woz, I think, made a comment to the effect that “with a dozen of these, I could bring down the whole phone system.”

AT&T got wind of that, and threatened Apple (Jobs in particular). It was never built.


29 posted on 10/13/2011 7:40:08 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Swordmaker

Your wrong after Apple got their operating system from Xerox, which was a windows type system they went to Microsoft to get it refined, Which Microsoft kinda borrowed it!


30 posted on 10/13/2011 12:01:17 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: tallyhoe

I don’t think there is anything in that sentence that isn’t wrong.


31 posted on 10/13/2011 10:12:08 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: tallyhoe
Your wrong after Apple got their operating system from Xerox, which was a windows type system they went to Microsoft to get it refined, Which Microsoft kinda borrowed it!

Tallyhoe, Absolutely NONE of that is true... you have no idea what you are talking about. Not one word is true. Not one single word. You can look it up on the internet and find out the truth... so why not shut up before you really make yourself look like a fool? Some of us were THERE when these things happened. I was the publisher of a computer Newsletter at the time all this happened. Where were YOU?

Here is the story from one who WAS THERE, Bruce Horn. Bruce Horn worked for both Xerox PARC and later for Apple. He was THERE at both places and is uniquely situated to KNOW what happened. And here is another report of who invented what from Jef Raskin, also a major player in the invention of the GUIs. Jef Raskin was a professor at the University of California, San Diego, who had lectured at PARC and set them on their pursuit of a GUI... He later became the 31st employee of Apple and was the ORIGINATOR of the Macintosh project at APPLE in 1978—BEFORE Steve Jobs took it over—before the visit to PARC. It was HE who suggested the PARC visit to Steve Jobs!

Here is another source you may find enlightening, "Creation myth", an article from The New Yorker Magazine that was originally published in May of 2011 on the history surrounding the PARC visit and what XEROX did and didn't do with PARC and it's creations.

Apple had no need to go to Microsoft to refine their GUI... nor COULD Microsoft have "refined" their GUI, because Microsoft did not HAVE one. Apple had most of the finest GUI scientists working for THEM... they had hired many from Xerox. Why go to Microsoft?

Microsoft's mouse motion in Windows was not pixel to pixel but character grid to character grid... it was a joke! Have you SEEN Microsoft Windows 1.0 to 3.0??? It was a mess! Take a look at the five leading GUIs of the period:


Windows 1.01 copyright Microsoft 1985


Apple MacOS GUI copyright 1984


Xerox Smalltalk GUI copyright 1981 from Xerox Star


Atari 520ST TOS GUI copyright 1985


Commodore Amiga Workbench GUI copyright 1985

You really should KNOW what you are talking about before telling an expert who DOES know "You're wrong." Just like in this case, that expert, me, is likely going to hand you your head. . . especially when you MAKE UP YOUR FACTS!

32 posted on 10/14/2011 2:45:46 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker
just as long as they dont have the broad on there over exaggerating her talking with her hands problem... those two are ok...
33 posted on 10/14/2011 2:58:20 AM PDT by sit-rep
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