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Andrea Rossi May Sell eCat Shares
ECat News ^ | Nov 2 2011 | Admin

Posted on 11/02/2011 9:26:01 AM PDT by Kevmo


Andrea Rossi May Sell eCat Shares
admin on November 2, 2011 — 5 Comments
Andrea Rossi has always indicated that he would only use his own money until he was selling eCat products on the open market. It should be no surprise then that the possibility of opening up investment opportunities to the public looms now that the 1MW plant has shipped. Of course, without knowledge of the customer’s identity or verifiable scientific proof, any such venture at this time would be high risk. If you assume for now that the eCat is real, AR has money coming in the door (probably around 2m Euro a pop) and so some of the immediate financial pressure is relieved. Even so, the scale of his task is enormous. This would just be the start and we are told that it will be three months before the next delivery. Therefore, it is unlikely that he will be flush with cash for some time at least. It makes sense then, to consider raising money through the issue of public shares.

A serious businessman with a real product would not attempt to do so in the midst of uncertainty regarding the product. Doubt and suspicion will lower the value of such shares. For that reason, I would only expect such a move after the clouds obscuring the eCat have been lifted. As Dr Rossi hints on his blog, we may be seeing the seeds of exactly that.

Simon Basovich
November 1st, 2011 at 9:12 PM
Dear Mr. Andrea Rossi,
Congratulations on your outstanding success! Please, inform me how I could buy the shares of your company. I have many inventions, mostly related to biomedicine, and I have ideas how to increase mental capability, how to primary prevent mental diseases, how to get people healthy from the beginning of the life and some others. A lot of money is needed for realization, and in an attempt to promote it (partly, of course), I hope to buy the shares of your company.

Many thanks.

Best regards,
Simon Basovich,
Australia

Andrea Rossi
November 2nd, 2011 at 4:45 AM
Dear Simon Basovich: OK, Warm Regards, A.R.


Andrea Rossi
November 2nd, 2011 at 4:35 AM
Dear Francesco D.M.: We are just producing heat, so far. Probably we will sell shares to allow everybody to participate to this enterprise. But before this we have to consolidate our manufacturing and commercial system. Warm Regards, A.R.

I postulated in an earlier post that there were now so many people involved in AR’s project across too many organisations, that it would become increasingly difficult to keep secrets such as: Who is the customer? It seems that Dr Rossi agrees.


Andrea Rossi
November 2nd, 2011 at 4:40 AM
Dear Neil Ferguson: The names of Customers unavoidably will pop up, before or later. I agree with you. Warm Regards, A.R.


Andrea Rossi
October 31st, 2011 at 9:23 AM
Dear Luca Salvarani: 1- yes 2- more 3- I want not our Customers assailed by the puppetts moved by their puppetteers. Let the plant go to work, then they will reveal themselves automatically. Probably you did not understand that there is a war against us. Warm Regards, A.R
Finally, we have AR reiterate his hope/plan for the coming years.


Andrea Rossi
November 2nd, 2011 at 5:55 AM
Dear Paul Calvo: The price can drop to 500 $/kW if we will have to produce millions of pieces. Warm Regards, A.R.


Andrea Rossi
November 1st, 2011 at 2:01 PM
Dear Paolo: To be ready to sell household E-Cats we need from 1 to 2 years. Warm Regards, A.R.

We are not looking at a hit-and-run con-job but a long-term strategy that is cohesive and well thought out. To achieve the scale needed to produce millions of pieces will require money and confidence in the product. Right now, he is building that confidence even as the eCat starts to earn its keep. He knows that eventually we will learn who the customers are and it seems obvious to me that such knowledge would dispel many fears. All of this is being played out in a sea of commercial warfare, even if the battle is obscured for now.


Robert Mockan
October 31st, 2011 at 5:30 PM
Dear Mr. Rossi,
You have commented there “is a war” against you (your organization? your efforts to market the E-Cat?). Do you expect the successful sale of the megawatt demo module to stop the war, or is it going to get bigger?

Andrea Rossi
October 31st, 2011 at 5:45 PM
Dear Robert Mockan: Bigger. Warm Regards, A.R.

Thus, it makes sense to retain a certain mystique, making it difficult for competitors to gauge the truth or guess the technological details behind the eCat’s apparent success. To attract the money required, he has to own and protect the intellectual property:

Andrea Rossi
November 1st, 2011 at 3:29 AM
Dear lenr4you: Nobody would invest anything in a non proprietary technology. Warm Regards, A.R.

And yet, to sell the product and shares widely he has to take the risk of building confidence, of attracting an army of opponents alongside allies. It is a tough path to walk. Those who say he should have simply proven beyond doubt a year ago that the eCat was genuine do not consider that without handing it over to third parties for many months (with all the risks that entails) during which time he is in limbo, there is no test he could have done that would have satisfied the attackers. Indeed, I am certain that even that would have achieved little apart from arming his competitors. Instead, he is now bringing in money as interest is growing. He has kept ahead of everyone else by being shrewd as well as clever.

That said, he also knows that he cannot keep such a delicate balance going forever. A conman would want to sell you shares now while you are confused, an entrepreneur knows he will get more on delivering proof. To me, this all adds up. When we will know the truth is anyone’s guess.

I’m frightened to say it but I’ll guess anyway. Soon.


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Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .

1 posted on 11/02/2011 9:26:03 AM PDT by Kevmo
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To: Kevmo
And so it begins...
2 posted on 11/02/2011 9:27:53 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.)
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This article is going to drive the detractors bonkers.


3 posted on 11/02/2011 9:28:34 AM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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4 posted on 11/02/2011 9:32:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Kevmo

“For that reason, I would only expect such a move after the clouds obscuring the eCat have been lifted.”

After the clouds have been lifted, the stock will be worthless...


5 posted on 11/02/2011 9:35:22 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Kevmo
This article is going to drive the detractors bonkers.

Actually, it supports the detractors case.

6 posted on 11/02/2011 9:36:20 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Kevmo

7 posted on 11/02/2011 9:37:32 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Kevmo

This article is going to drive the believers broke.


8 posted on 11/02/2011 9:37:38 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Kevmo

then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

okey dokey


9 posted on 11/02/2011 9:38:03 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

My shares in E-magic beans are going to pay off any day now.


10 posted on 11/02/2011 9:39:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Kevmo

I dunno, I think this article makes Rossi look bad.


11 posted on 11/02/2011 9:39:40 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Kevmo

“Dear Paul Calvo: The price can drop to 500 $/kW if we will have to produce millions of pieces. Warm Regards, A.R.”

Previously he said $100/kw. We know that he had some ‘technical problems’ with the 1MW test that prevented full power operation. Is this extra cost due to correcting those problems?


12 posted on 11/02/2011 9:42:01 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Kevmo

This isn’t “news”. It belongs in blogs section.


13 posted on 11/02/2011 9:43:57 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Kevmo
He has kept ahead of everyone else by being shrewd as well as clever.

Three-time con man. Expect nothing less.

14 posted on 11/02/2011 9:44:34 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

could be


15 posted on 11/02/2011 9:45:33 AM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: NewinTexsas

Three-time con man.
*** I posted his background that included jail time, as found on his enemy’s website. The interesting thing is, it was the squawkish detractors who had the most trouble with the facts on the ground.

Andrea Rossi’s Petroldragon Story
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2796280/posts
Friday, October 21, 2011 5:23:59 PM · by Kevmo · 170 replies
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16 posted on 11/02/2011 9:51:27 AM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

I scanned quickly through the e-cat news site. Is there any documentation of test results for the 10/28 test: pictures, instrument readings, etc? All I see are statements by various people that 470 something KW were made for five hours, and an undisclosed customer paid some amount of money.

For what was billed as a defining moment of proof, the ultimate validation of the technology, there’s precious little data from the test, and a lot of hearsay.


17 posted on 11/02/2011 9:52:13 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: NewinTexsas

Actually, it supports the detractors case.
***Well then, maybe you guys will stop using classic fallacies and trolling techniques.


18 posted on 11/02/2011 9:53:41 AM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Jack of all Trades

I scanned quickly through the e-cat news site. Is there any documentation of test results for the 10/28 test: pictures, instrument readings, etc?

***Look for this article on that news site. It links to 2 reports.

PESN and Ny Teknik Reports
October 29, 2011 | Author: admin
PESN has published a their account of the test.

Sterling has done a good job of this. There is a lot of detail in his report and he has taken lots of video. It is best read complete at PESN. One interesting factoid (among many) is that Peter Svensson, the Technology Writer for Associated Press (AP) will likely publish in a couple of days after write-up and editorial permission. Might this be the start of people taking this seriously? It should be. Place your bets now.

Ny Teknik has been impressively quick, too. Here is their English version.

I think this is a preliminary report from Matts. Even so, there is some excellent detail, particularly in the second section. The picture is beginning to unfold slowly. It will take some time to parse but I have to admit to a large slice of positivity.

In a scientific sense, it is easy to pick holes in what we have been presented and I would understand any scientist reserving judgement. However, I really do not understand the mean spirit of certain individuals when expressing that doubt. You come away after reading some of that stuff as though something foul has touched your thoughts. Lighten up guys. This may be real.


19 posted on 11/02/2011 9:57:44 AM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Jack of all Trades

For what was billed as a defining moment of proof, the ultimate validation of the technology,
***I think perhaps you read more into it than what was billed. Rossi has said all along that the ultimate validation is customers who buy his device and are satisfied, bringing more customers...


20 posted on 11/02/2011 9:59:25 AM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo
You come away after reading some of that stuff as though something foul has touched your thoughts.

Rossi.

21 posted on 11/02/2011 10:11:34 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

What is actually written:

In a scientific sense, it is easy to pick holes in what we have been presented and I would understand any scientist reserving judgement. However, I really do not understand the mean spirit of certain individuals when expressing that doubt. You come away after reading some of that stuff as though something foul has touched your thoughts.

He’s talking about guys like you.


22 posted on 11/02/2011 10:15:43 AM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: CodeToad
"This isn’t “news”. It belongs in blogs section."

The "Abuse" button is right where it's always been. Press it and let the mods decide. Otherwise clam up.

23 posted on 11/02/2011 10:27:18 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: allmendream; SWAMPSNIPER

Swamp Sniper takes better pictures.


24 posted on 11/02/2011 10:31:46 AM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo
He’s talking about guys like you.

And we are talking about him and he doesn't like it. Poor Rossi. Three-time fraud and believes there is a conspiracy out to discredit this one.

25 posted on 11/02/2011 10:33:43 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Kevmo
What is actually written:

I copied and pasted directly the entire sentence. I resent your implication that I misquoted him.

26 posted on 11/02/2011 10:36:38 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

You resent the implication? Then let me be direct: you misquoted him.

Quoting someone out of context is misquoting him.

Otherwise, you could just take this sentence and repost it to convince everyone here that I think you’re a swell guy.


27 posted on 11/02/2011 10:44:20 AM PDT by Kevmo (Judicaret spectator se ipso: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo
You resent the implication? Then let me be direct: you misquoted him.

hmmm. Please show how I misquoted him and took the sentence out of context inorder pre misrepresent what he said.

28 posted on 11/02/2011 10:47:39 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

And we are talking about him and he doesn’t like it. Poor Rossi.
***I have noticed in prior correspondence with you that you have selective reading comprehension. In this case the author of the article was talking about guys like you, not about Rossi, nor is it Rossi who is saying it , nor is it Rossi saying he does not like it.

I think I’ll give up on you early in this thread. You’re not worth the keystrokes and pulled posts.


29 posted on 11/02/2011 10:47:55 AM PDT by Kevmo (Judicaret spectator se ipso: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: NewinTexsas

Looks like I gave up on you at the right time.

T4BTT


30 posted on 11/02/2011 10:48:46 AM PDT by Kevmo (Judicaret spectator se ipso: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo; Jack of all Trades

According to your rules, you misquoted Jack.


31 posted on 11/02/2011 10:49:23 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Kevmo
This Rossi comic opera keeps going. I love all the breathless reports.

If he was heating his factory with one of these things for two years, what happened to that one? Did the factory mysteriously burn down like last time for his last miracle, what happened to that E-cat? Oh, he sold that factory. No mention of that Ecat since.

Why do all of his companies use names similar to real companies that are actually in the same field?

I couldn't for the life of me figure out what the end game is though, he built something, then again, so did Dennis Lee and Joseph Newman and yet the production device is always just a little bit away from completion. Now, with this announcement, I see the end game, shares in E-Cat.

Do these E-cats come with the built in self destruct feature to protect the secret? No worries there if true, I'm sure that's safe as well.

He kept the Petrol Dragon scam going for a while as well and made money, produced nothing yet the mess was left to the Italian taxpayer.

This time we know we can trust him because after all, he's going to put his profits into cancer research for children.

Kevmo, let's make this sporting:

I propose we put a little one to one wager on this. The wager is this:

It's 1:1, loser pays in winner's name, a $100 donation to Freerepublic.

Now, I don't expect Kevmo to shoulder other Rossi bets, it would not be 1:1 for him anymore so for the believers as well as the skeptics, I'm sure we can get a little Freep-a-thon action going and keep in mind, I never, ever, bet.

Winning this bet will bring neither of us any money but it will bring satisfaction and if I lose a bet where the whole world wins and not just the house, I can live with that.

The complication is I need some input on what constitutes winning and losing, within a time frame?

32 posted on 11/02/2011 10:50:46 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Kevmo
As Dr Rossi hints on his blog,

Is this Dr Rossi related to Andrea Rossi?

33 posted on 11/02/2011 10:51:42 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

“Otherwise clam up.”

Really? You think that’s how it works? Silly kid.


34 posted on 11/02/2011 10:51:42 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: NewinTexsas

Bummer that I gave up on you, huh? Not worth the keystrokes, you know the rest.

T4BTT


35 posted on 11/02/2011 10:51:42 AM PDT by Kevmo (Judicaret spectator se ipso: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo
In this case the author of the article was talking about guys like you, not about Rossi,

He said that 'us guys' smelled something foul. I clarified that the foul we smelled was Rossi.

36 posted on 11/02/2011 10:52:11 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Moonman62

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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37 posted on 11/02/2011 10:53:01 AM PDT by Kevmo (Judicaret spectator se ipso: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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Cold Fusion Scam Alert


38 posted on 11/02/2011 10:53:36 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Kevmo

“As Dr Rossi hints on his blog, we may be seeing the seeds of exactly that.”

We know that Rossi has a fake diploma from some diploma mill that was shutdown for giving out fake diplomas but I haven’t heard from where he got his PhD?


39 posted on 11/02/2011 10:54:15 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

Giving up on you, not worth the keystrokes, you know the rest.

T4BTT


40 posted on 11/02/2011 10:54:33 AM PDT by Kevmo (Judicaret spectator se ipso: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: NewinTexsas

Not worth the keystrokes, etc.

T4BTT


41 posted on 11/02/2011 10:56:03 AM PDT by Kevmo (Judicaret spectator se ipso: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

Any smart investor will require a viable business plan, and if they are in the US, a history of filings with the SEC. Buyer beware.


42 posted on 11/02/2011 10:57:17 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Lx

Kevmo, let’s make this sporting:

I propose we put a little one to one wager on this. The wager is this:

It’s 1:1, loser pays in winner’s name, a $100 donation to Freerepublic.
***I had a whole thread set up for discussing bets and all that, encouraging others and myself to put your money where your mouth is.

The thread was pulled.

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43 posted on 11/02/2011 10:59:26 AM PDT by Kevmo (Judicaret spectator se ipso: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

I am curious. Why would you link us back to this post?

To: Kevmo
Knock off the personal attacks and seagull nonsense.

54 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 6:38:43 PM by Admin Moderator


44 posted on 11/02/2011 11:00:17 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: Moonman62

T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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45 posted on 11/02/2011 11:00:46 AM PDT by Kevmo (Judicaret spectator se ipso: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR.

Whether Dr Rossi is related to Andrea Rossi has nothing to do with LENR.

46 posted on 11/02/2011 11:01:08 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR.

Suggesting people do their due diligence has nothing to do with LENR.

47 posted on 11/02/2011 11:02:40 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: NewinTexsas

Not worth the keystrokes, pulled posts. You know the rest.

T4BTT


48 posted on 11/02/2011 11:02:48 AM PDT by Kevmo (Judicaret spectator se ipso: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Moonman62

Not worth the keystrokes, pulled posts. You know the rest.

T4BTT


49 posted on 11/02/2011 11:03:32 AM PDT by Kevmo (Judicaret spectator se ipso: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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