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Posted on 11/05/2011 12:58:45 AM PDT by Kevmo
Andrea Rossi says his new machine fuses nickel and hydrogen at room temperature creating almost unlimited energy .
But there is one problem - many scientists claim it defies the very laws of physics. Several high-profile demonstrations of 'cold fusion' have been proven to be hoaxes in the past - and no one can adequately explain how or why it might work .
The United States Department of Energy the U.S. Patent Office say the process is impossible because physics rules out the possibility of room-temperature nuclear fusion .
But Rossi's E-Cat machine can allegedly do it, and he says he proved it worked during tests at the University of Bologna last month .
Key: Rossi says he has produced a pattern of triple track atoms, pictured, which is at the heart of the cold fusion theory
'We have nothing to say, just to make plans that work properly and let those facts win against the scepticism.'
Sterling Allan, CEO of the alternative energy news agency Pure Energy Systems, told FoxNews.com he attended Rossi’s demonstration and the E-Cat is self sustaining .
'What Rossi demonstrated was 470 kilowatts of continuous output in self-sustain mode -- meaning the output was enough to keep the thing running on its own,' he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
“If you assume that everyone else is as uninformed and gullible as you are, then I suppose you would assume that they would be as easily fooled. But in fact, there is no reason to suppose that the observers and participants in this demonstration were either uneducated incompetents, fools, or knaves.”
Five convictions for fraud.
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3741appendix36.shtml
IF you aren’t interested in the subject or the inventor then find another thread to squat on.I'm very interested in the subject. It isn't every day that you get to see a major scam unfolding before your very eyes.
Kevmo is a big INTRADE player.
As Kevmo says of Rossi’s test data ... it must be a typo.
(In reference to the 13,000+ kg H2 container that was weighed to an accuracy of about 1/4 gram on a bathroom scale that was calibrated by two people that knew their weight.)
Kevmo is a big-time INTRADE player who has a long history of spamming for his trading.
Kevmo is also a promoter in the homeopathic medicine scam.
Mortadella is cold fusion of a sort too, and the Italians already achieved that.
It is also theroretically possible that your post was the result of random sequences of electron pulses and not actually written by a person. But one must consider the odds of that happening.
You didn't see the video!
In conventional reactions the energy is released in one large bang. Think of a rock falling through air to a concrete sidewalk. The rock hits the sidewalk in one large bang. Now in Rossi's contraption reactor, it is more like a rock falling through water. Energy is released slowing as the rock falls so there is no hard gamma. Only soft gammas which are easily shielded.
I was at a county fair back in the 70's. This guy in a booth was play a scam and the suckers were literaly pushing each other out of the way in order to get their money in. I remember seeing one dude with his wallet in one hand trying to give the guy money as the dudes wife had him by the other arm trying to pull him away!
Posted by a know spammer who plays the INTRADE markets ...
Can’t wait till the tax authorities go to collect the taxes on this alleged sale between Leonardo Industries and this supposed customer. The bill of sale will be subject to discovery.
Where was the export license for this unit from the US to Italy? etc... etcc..... taxes... Wire Fraud...
What an idiot con man.
Powder..patch..ball FIRE!
Big F’ing deal who posts the threads. If it will make you any happier and shut you up I’ll take over the cold fusion ping list.
Whatever. Just as long as you are aware that Rossi has been convicted five times.
After five convictions you would think he would have learned from his mistakes. OTOH, What's a few months in jail.
I love that gif! fantastic!
“Where was the export license for this unit from the US to Italy? “
You hit on an excellent point: Nuclear technology requires an export license as it is an ITAR regulated item. I am an ITAR trained and certified professional. :)
This never occurs to a con artist
Lots of surprises. I haven't read through it all the way but it's what I was speaking of earlier.
Which means there are some High energy nuclear reaction guys looking at Low energy nuclear reactions ~ starting with how the stock markets really work, and when do peaks emerge from the normal flow.
Here's a short hand way to look at the problem. Out of every 100,000 neutrons, or protons, or electrons ~ 1 of them is going to have a larger charge than expected, more spin, or maybe velocity (remembering that some particles always move at the speed of light and others always move at less than the speed of light, and some tunnel one way and others another.
That means there's ordinary physics, and then there's super high energy physics where you have particles traveling and behaving the same way they would in a cyclotron rather than out in the real world.
It's not magic ~ it's just different.
That, BTW, is probably why nobody in this LENR field is coming down real hard and fast on the idea of energetic but low velocity neutrons being the secret ~ 'cause you could still have protons doing the dirty work. Fur shur these guys have lots and lots of gamma ray detectors around eh!
So?
Nothing he did is a crime here, or in most other countries for that matter.
Physics derived from operation of the Strong Nuclear Force are different in kind from physics derived from operation of the Weak Nuclear Force.
Again, does anybody stop and think about this? We have TWO nuclear forces ~ Weak and Strong. They do different stuff.
This business of LENR or "cold fusion" is fun to read about since so many folks who know a little bit or a whole lot have made it their hobby. It's kind of like the Blue Laser of the 2010's ~ first guy to hit it gets billions.
Alas, it's also like Sutter's Mill and some idiot told everybody about picking up gold in the crick!
You don't necessarily need to understand the details. You need to put gamma, X-ray, and neutron detectors around it and see if they detect anything. Keep it up for a month. If nothing, then you can have at least some small degree of confidence that it's not emitting dangerous radiation.
If the technology was originally developed in Italy, then he's not "exporting" technology, only hardware which he could just as easily construct there.
For the US government to convict him, though, they would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury in open court that a nuclear reaction was occurring, now wouldn't they?
They no longer use the membrane pressure gauges that were so popular in automotives decades back.
The chips backing them up are pretty good too. I find it amazing they've been able to attach intuitively obvious analog controls to them.
You could wire up a modern bathroom scale to weigh 1000th of a gram without a lot of effort. The question is no longer about the quality of the weighing device ~ more like the capability of the LCD or LED to report it.
It's not just that the future of technology is better and better stuff, some of it is better in ways no one can imagine ~ it's just there, and it's good.
We are changing our home lighting over to LEDs as we can afford it (which involves a lot of bargains BTW).
A question for you ~ is it a Strong Nuclear Reaction or a Weak Nuclear Reaction?Don't know, don't care.
I'm perfectly willing to consider that Rossi has discovered a whole new branch of physics, one that can convert Nickel into Copper and/or Iron without producing the fatal level of gamma rays that existing theory and experimentation demands.
I'm not willing to consider it when all we have it Rossi's dog & pony shows. Given Rossi's unsubstantiated claims that he has run an E-Cat for two years, and has heated his factory for six months, the public demonstrations are pathetic. He could have easily proven that his device works, but he has instead spent a year repeatedly avoiding just that.
If an when an independent group publicly announces that they have tested Rossi's device and determined that it is doing what Rossi claims, then I'll reconsider my position. However, we haven't reached that point yet.
One additional point: I don't have an opinion on LENR in general. It's only Rossi that I doubt, based on the numerous details that all point to fraud.
I have some bad LED's. My bathroom scale is only good to about 1/2 pound!
If the technology was originally developed in Italy, then he's not "exporting" technology, only hardware which he could just as easily construct there.Rossi claimed that he had a factory in Florida where E-Cat parts were being manufactured. It turned out that this "factory" was a 5th floor apartment.For the US government to convict him, though, they would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury in open court that a nuclear reaction was occurring, now wouldn't they?
If existing physics is right, then Rossi's device must be putting out massive amounts of gamma rays, and shouldn't be allowed to be distributed without the appropriate safeguards.
If Rossi is transmuting Nickel into other elements by (as he himself said) an unknown process, he probably shouldn't be allowed to distribute his device until we understand the possible effects of this "unknown nuclear process".
If Rossi is a con man, then we presumably don't have to worry about the safety of the device. Our only concern is whether he is defrauding anyone in the process of selling his E-Cats.
I haven't seen any evidence so far that Rossi has made any effort to certify the safety of his device. Like everything else about this, we have to rely on Rossi's unsubstantiated word that it works and that it's safe.
He says the shielding stops the rays. He is going to have to transport it as a radioactive device.
We already know that he is a con man .... convicted five times.
Thats about 1 part in one billion! Please show me some data!!!!!!!!!!!
Please show me the bathroom scale that will hold over 13,000 kgs.
He says the shielding stops the rays. He is going to have to transport it as a radioactive device.That's an interesting point. If current theory is correct, then the amount of shielding he used is totally inadequate.
If current theory is wrong, then we have no idea what Rossi's device is capable of doing. Maybe if you wire something up backwards it will blow up, taking an entire city with it. Rossi can't claim that it's safe if he can't explain how it operates.
Of course, if the water is being heated by a known but hidden electrical or chemical reaction, then the E-Cat is no more dangerous than a "normal" large boiler along with any danger unique to how he's faking his demos.
There were several people on the vortex email list who were genuinely concerned that the E-Cat (regardless of what else it was) was a poorly-designed boiler and that it might explode during the demonstration. Fortunately, it didn't actually come anywhere near to its rated power level, and could have actually produced as little as 70KW of power, based on Rossi's own data.
Did you realize that almost every 40 ft, 50ft and 60 ft box on the road already has on board strain gauges that allow state enforcement officers to run around out in the country tapping them as they seek to evade standard weigh stations.
BTW, we decided to not buy one at that time. On the other hand we were reduced to buying points for our antiquated 100 ton beam balances from a custom shop in Brazil. He's was cheap but how long was he going to be in business making antiques.
The device that computes the weight is much more important.
Whatever you say. I tried to still-frame the video to see the model number of the genset, and consequently its capacity, and couldn’t do it. The manufacturer info was just out of frame.
When I said that the genset was rated at 500 kWh, I meant 500 kW. I have a 13.5 kW genset at home, actually, and yes, the figure was taken from the other observer’s report. I can tell you that the genset shown in the video is dramatically larger than my home genset.
Try to explain away the connected genset any way you want, but it stinks to high heaven, just like everything else associated with Rossi.
Rossi used a bathroom scale to measure a 13,000 plus kg H2 vessel. Stay on topic.
Please show me the specs for a strain gauge that will read to one part in a billion as you stated AND then show that it can be put in a $50 bathroom scale. Thanks.
Sometimes I have read something twice to make sure that the person really wrote such nonsense.
The weight capacity has NOTHING to do with this technology. You stick a copper wire through a steel block, you can read the current ~ and depending how many times (1 million, 100,000 or 10) you will get different qualities of signal out of that load cell.
You use a couple of pieces of polymer with a brass foil in the center, your quality will still depend more on your chip than on the load cell/strain gauge.
If I were putting together a bathroom scale I'd buy them by the hundreds of thousands and probably pay about 25% of what you'd pay for just one. The rest of the outfit can be put together in a toy manufacturing shop in Hong Kong or Guandung. They do all that sort of thing these days.
Assuming you don't set fire to the equipment the sensitivity of this form of weighing is dependent on deformation of an electric current. Good current ~ > Good signal.
The Postal sampling scales we were buying initially cost over $1000 a pop, but as that technology became more common that price dropped into the hundreds ~ but with a Postal Scale you need multiple read-outs and a set of precision leveling screws PLUS a set of standard weights ~ and they cost some money too.
Your typical bathroom scale can be calibrated at the factory and has a need for only one read out. It's also not varying the number of measurements taken so it can give you a weight with confidence to 6 digits to the right of the decimal point. But it could if you put in the read-outs and the balance screws.
Radioactive: Emitting energy waves due to decaying atomic nuclei.
If it does not contain materials that spontaneously fission, then it is not a radioactive device. If it only emits high-energy photons when turned on, then it is no more a radioactive device than an x-ray machine is.
If it only emits high-energy photons when turned on, then it is no more a radioactive device than an x-ray machine is.You can't sell x-ray machines without extensive testing and certification. They can, and have, killed people when they were out of specifications, or when their operators or software operated them incorrectly.
Why would Rossi's device be exempt from similar rules and restrictions?
BS.
Censorship is a liberal tactic. Communist actually.
I never suggested for anyone not to post their opinion. Just to not bother reading his post if someone finds the subject at hand so worthless.
Advocating for Kevmo to not post Cold Fusion related material is censorship.
Nice regurgitation of the "hot physics" meme about cold fusion. Unfortunately, there have been quite a few replications, many very recently. And done by researchers who are completely above board and legit.
"A hoax is a deliberately fabricated falsehood made to masquerade as truth. It is distinguishable from errors in observation or judgment."
So, based on that criterion, please point out ANY true hoax involving CF. As I said, I've been following the subject for quite a few years, and I'm not aware of anything that has been a actual hoax.
It's fairly obvious from MANY experiments (not just Rossi) that CF doesn't follow the "traditional, well-established equations for this nuclear reaction". And since I've not seen any information on what the gamma spectrum of the E-Cat looks like as far as gamma energy, I know darned well you have no way to tell whether "the amount of lead shielding he claims is totally inadequate to stop those gamma rays". Rossi says "weak gammas" on the same energy order as x-rays., which don't take a gigantic amount of shielding.
Note....part of my grad school background is in nuclear science, so I have actually done shielding calculations (one of my courses was "Introduction to Nuclear Engineering", which had a section of shielding design and calculations), and know what is involved.
Nothing for the NRC to regulate, I mean. Silly me, I presumed that the machine would come with shielding.
And with a far lower mortadellity rate than tradition fission reactors.
“Advocating for Kevmo to not post Cold Fusion related material is censorship.”
Nice try at spin. I’m not advocating he not post about Cold Fusion news. I am advocating that he stop spamming FR with blog posts in the news section about Rossi’s scam.
I bet that went right over your head.
...encouraging for the cold fusion technology. Can you provide web links in connection with these successful replications?
Still looking forward to long term positive results from the cold fusion demonstrations.
Search on {"George Miley" cold fusion}, {"Brian Ahern" cold fusion} and {"Edmund Storms" cold fusion} (omitting the curly brackets, of course). Also "Brillouin Energy". Some of these are much lower energy than Rossi is getting, but others are in the same ballpark. Also Sergio Focardi's old partner Piantelli has just released information for results rivalling Rossi's.
“Please post the source for the claim of gammas, as it is highly significant.”
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/VillaMonthegamma.pdf
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