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Quantum theorem shakes foundations
Nature ^ | 17 November 2011 | Eugenie Samuel Reich

Posted on 11/18/2011 5:52:08 AM PST by ShadowAce

At the heart of the weirdness for which the field of quantum mechanics is famous is the wavefunction, a powerful but mysterious entity that is used to determine the probabilities that quantum particles will have certain properties. Now, a preprint posted online on 14 November1 reopens the question of what the wavefunction represents — with an answer that could rock quantum theory to its core. Whereas many physicists have generally interpreted the wavefunction as a statistical tool that reflects our ignorance of the particles being measured, the authors of the latest paper argue that, instead, it is physically real.

“I don't like to sound hyperbolic, but I think the word 'seismic' is likely to apply to this paper,” says Antony Valentini, a theoretical physicist specializing in quantum foundations at Clemson University in South Carolina.

Valentini believes that this result may be the most important general theorem relating to the foundations of quantum mechanics since Bell’s theorem, the 1964 result in which Northern Irish physicist John Stewart Bell proved that if quantum mechanics describes real entities, it has to include mysterious “action at a distance”.

Action at a distance occurs when pairs of quantum particles interact in such a way that they become entangled. But the new paper, by a trio of physicists led by Matthew Pusey at Imperial College London, presents a theorem showing that if a quantum wavefunction were purely a statistical tool, then even quantum states that are unconnected across space and time would be able to communicate with each other. As that seems very unlikely to be true, the researchers conclude that the wavefunction must be physically real after all.

David Wallace, a philosopher of physics at the University of Oxford, UK, says that the theorem is the most important result in the foundations of quantum...

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To: Matchett-PI

41 posted on 11/18/2011 8:45:35 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: Lady Lucky

Waves on an oscilloscope go from side-to-side when the display is rotated 90 degrees. It’s a matter of display and perspective. Turn your head sideways and view the same wave.

Two waves of the same frequency superimposed, one rotated 90 degrees to the other, form a circle.


42 posted on 11/18/2011 9:02:47 AM PST by CPO retired
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To: concerned about politics

Good description of poltergeist activity. Describes “miracles” also. It does validate prayer too.


43 posted on 11/18/2011 9:04:35 AM PST by CPO retired
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To: ShadowAce

Symphony of Science!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZGINaRUEkU


44 posted on 11/18/2011 9:09:29 AM PST by PROTESTBYPROXY (The Silent Majority is roaring!!)
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To: Matchett-PI
But only a subject can define, bound, and delineate. Again, until there is a subject, there is only a vast sea of quantum energy.

Or, put another way

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters[waves?].

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


45 posted on 11/18/2011 9:12:04 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
It says there is something real controlling real things ......at least at quantum levels....and not just mathematical and statistical abstractions mixed with quantum weirdness. Could be related to dark matter/energy or the Boggs Particle AKA The God Particle.

I remember something along the lines of what you are intimating in your post. It was an interview with John Bell about how could the necessary and (seemingly) faster than light communication between entangled particles could be explained or gotten around, he said,(and I'm going from memory) one way would be to assume that every event that is happening, or has ever happened in the history of the universe, from the sub atomic to the galactic, was and is superdetermined from the very beginning, and could not have happened any other way.

And I think it's called a Higgs particle, not a Boggs particle.
46 posted on 11/18/2011 9:15:44 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Matchett-PI
"But to point out that the material world cannot be understood in the absence of intuition is to simultaneously affirm the obvious fact that the world is not material. " ".... reality itself is nothing but an intuition.

Call me old fashion, but I believe that our moon is still there, even when no one is looking at it, and atomic behavior still takes place, in our absence of an observation.
47 posted on 11/18/2011 9:32:59 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: ZX12R
"Call me old fashion, but I believe that our moon is still there, even when no one is looking at it, and atomic behavior still takes place, in our absence of an observation."

Creation Myths of the Tenured

48 posted on 11/18/2011 9:40:14 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: Lady Lucky

I always wondered this about waves-

If two waves are traveling in such a way that they cancel each other out, then how is energy still transferred past the point where they cancel?

Would you have a perfectly flat spot in the ocean -where all waves cancel each other- suddenly a wave appears on the opposit end?


49 posted on 11/18/2011 9:41:20 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: ShadowAce

I never get bohred by arguments about quantum interpretations.


50 posted on 11/18/2011 9:47:21 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Matchett-PI
Creation Myths of the Tenured

You would have to supply me with a very good reason to go and read what's at that link. Not just post a link to some blog. Got one?
51 posted on 11/18/2011 9:48:17 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: cerberus
When I hear of some esoteric theory, especially in the outer reaches of mathematics and physics I have to ask whether a single thing has changed in anyone’s life.

Someone gets a paper published and grist is provided for some debate mill and more papers are published. Wonderful.

Implications? That is the one questions the writers would have a really tough time answering, I think.

52 posted on 11/18/2011 9:57:49 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: cerberus

The line between science and spirituality continues to thin. This is the final nail in the coffin of the 19th-century materialist world view. If the waveform represents physical reality then this directly implies that consciousness chooses how physical reality manifests itself from the infinite field of possibility. Accept this theorem and one can no longer deny the primacy of consciousness or it’s transcendency and call oneself a scientist.

Step by step (real) science continues to approach the Godhead.


53 posted on 11/18/2011 10:00:43 AM PST by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: ZX12R
And I think it's called a Higgs particle, not a Boggs particle.

that's right Higgs....my bad.

I believe the entanglement "speed" was instantaneous not merely faster than light.

54 posted on 11/18/2011 10:02:58 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: Lady Lucky

My wife’s a high school Calculus teacher. When we had no kids I got to attend the various state and local math teacher association dinners and luncheons.

The lectures were all top notch.

One discovery made by one of the teachers in the group, which she subsequently wrote up in a paper that is STILL waiting for peer review is the observation that water flows in nature according to a sinusoidal function. In fact, along with water, many other substances and objects in nature tend to want to flow across or through a medium in a sinusoidal function. It’s different from a sinusoid, this sinusoidal function but the idea is this:

Take a sheet of glass and an eyedropper full of water. Hold the glass at a 45 degree angle and then slowly discharge the eyedropper. You can also see some of this on a clean glass surface in the shower. Little rivulets of water snaking down the glass.

Does it flow straight down the glass? Nope. Sinusoidal function.

You know the breakaway chains you put dog tags on? Take a stereo speaker and drape the chain across the speaker from top of speaker to bottom. Put in a white or pink noise CD and turn it on - sinusoidal function.

Pictures of rivers that have not been subject to damming or straightening taken from space? Sinusoidal functions.

She can’t describe why, but the evidence is striking.

Watch a skier coming down a slope. Do they come straight down? Their track forms a sinusoidal function.

One possible explanation of all this is that while gravity exerts a force on an object, particles flows in nature may tend to seek a state of constant velocity. acceleration causes a linear increase in velocity. Nature wants constant velocity.

Studies of outfielders fielding fly balls shows that the brain is quick enough to calculate the trajectory of a fly ball, account for wind, and then tell the outfielder WHAT SPEED he has to run in order for him/her to catch the ball.

The fielder NEVER accelerates to the place the ball will fall in the outfield. He or she always travels at a constant rate of speed, unless a gust causes the player to dive at the ball, or fair the ball back toward the athlete so that he has to slow down to keep from over running the ball.

How do you bleed off the velocity? - form a wave function.

Every oscillation attenuates the increase in velocity so that, for example, a skier’s descent down a hill occurs more or less at a constant speed, even though gravity is forever trying to increase the speed.

According to the OLD quantum theory, light travels at a constant speed of 3.0 x 10^8 m/s. It oscillates too, so maybe photons are under constant acceleration too, which makes them oscillate in order to bleed the speed off such that the rate of speed is constant. That doesn’t make any sense, of course, because these photons would essentially have to be moving through a media which would allow this bleeding off of speed, like a skier traveling through snow, accelerated by gravity.

Fact is, light keeps going without stopping. How does that work? You fire a bullet from a gun and when it encounters another force it eventually stops. Light SORT of does that, accept now they have evidence that light speeds up and slows down. Huh?

As I’m thinking about it, it may be that there is no such thing as ‘linear’ acceleration. All acceleration in nature may be angular, and when the distances are short, the acceleration appears linear, but really isn’t.


55 posted on 11/18/2011 10:04:13 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: ZX12R
"Got one?"

The analogy you used is:

"... no different than the proverbial tree falling in the forest ..."

56 posted on 11/18/2011 10:18:45 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: Moonman62
I never get bohred by arguments about quantum interpretations.

Niels Bohr said "if you can't measure it...it doesn't exist"....which became known as the "Copenhagen Principle".


57 posted on 11/18/2011 10:25:07 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: count-your-change; AustinBill

Thanks.....there’s nothing more interesting to me than the quest to understand the universe and we are in very exciting times in terms of that quest. I am still having difficulty getting my head around this piece of information however.


58 posted on 11/18/2011 10:33:52 AM PST by cerberus
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To: Matchett-PI
"... no different than the proverbial tree falling in the forest ..."

Hardly. I never spend much time thinking about philosophical mumbo jumbo. The question about the tree falling is one I have no need of asking myself.

This answer assumes I understand your (minimum number of letters typed) form of communication.
59 posted on 11/18/2011 10:34:15 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: RinaseaofDs

That was pretty interesting. Thanks.


60 posted on 11/18/2011 10:35:35 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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