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Police: 2 Georgia Caregivers Waterboard 89-Year-Old Woman
http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2011/11/18/police-2-georgia-caregivers-waterboard-89-year-old-woman/ ^ | 11/19/2011 | CBS

Posted on 11/19/2011 7:54:56 AM PST by Morgana

JONESBORO, Ga. (CBS Atlanta) – Police charge two caregivers at a Jonesboro facility with waterboarding an 89-year-old woman.

Clayton County police said Jermeller Steed and Cicely Reed held down Anna Foley after an argument that started over ice cream.

They’re said to have allegedly held down Foley in a locked shower room, flooding her face with the hand-hold shower nozzle in 2008.

According to WGCL-TV, Foley was undergoing treatment at the facility for dementia. A co-worker witnessed the event and blew the whistle.

The technique slowly drowns subjects by blocking the air passages with flowing water while the subject is immobilized.

The Obama administration banned waterboarding suspected terrorists in January 2009, classifying it as torture.

(Excerpt) Read more at atlanta.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: abuse; crime; elderabuse; elderly; scum; sourcetitlenoturl; thugs; woman
Just take them to the field and horse whip them. As my Grandmother used to say.
1 posted on 11/19/2011 7:54:59 AM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Welcome to the Obamacare future!!!!

Its already here.


2 posted on 11/19/2011 8:00:28 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: Morgana
As long as the caregivers were a couple of Eric Holder's people and the 89-year old woman was not one of Eric Holder's people, I don't see the problem.

Or at least Eric Holder wouldn't.

3 posted on 11/19/2011 8:01:13 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; All

Do you mind if I say we take Eric Holder’s people to the field and horse whip them? Personally I don’t care if they are Holder’s people or not they are scum and need a good beating.


4 posted on 11/19/2011 8:03:48 AM PST by Morgana (This space for rent.........cheap)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Sure glad this sort of thing never happened before Obama...


5 posted on 11/19/2011 8:05:30 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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6 posted on 11/19/2011 8:06:06 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Morgana

I don’t mind, but Eric Holder would.


7 posted on 11/19/2011 8:06:44 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: Morgana

Old age “caregivers” are some of the most depraved workers around. My grandmother had a terrible time trying to get the sadists to clean her off properly after defecating, finally one of them threw a roll of toilet paper at her in bed.

There was a beautiful living room in the old age home, only the sadists would never let the old people in it.


8 posted on 11/19/2011 8:11:35 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Morgana
The Obama administration banned waterboarding suspected terrorists in January 2009, classifying it as torture.

The article makes it sound as if water boarding old ladies was common prior to Saint Obama's reign.

9 posted on 11/19/2011 8:19:43 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: yldstrk

As my parents were fading away from old age and dementia, we were fortunate enough to work out home live in care for them.....and the agency plus the gals all knew that I could and would drop in unannounced at any time of day or night.


10 posted on 11/19/2011 8:25:56 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Obama Voters: Jose Baez wants YOU for his next jury pool.......)
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To: yldstrk

“Old age ‘caregivers’ are some of the most depraved workers around.”

Basically they’re bullies who choose a profession where they can beat up on those weaker than them. Hence the saying “You begin your life helpless and you end your life helpless.”

Honestly, this is why some people just choose to drink, smoke, and eat bad food all the time; because they want to die young and not become some illegal immigrant nurse’s punching bag (literally).


11 posted on 11/19/2011 8:29:41 AM PST by Strk321
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To: Morgana

If I read the article correctly....

...they were doing it wrong.

(In real “waterboarding”, no water actually enters the subject’s body. Thus sayeth my USAF pilot informant who experienced it at SERE school.)


12 posted on 11/19/2011 8:34:37 AM PST by ExGeeEye (It will take a revolution to reinstate the constitution. (HT FtP))
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To: Strk321

You can hardly blame them. My mom wanted her mom to live with her and had room in the house, but my grandmother refused, unfortunately.

The nursing homes, even the “good” one, were complete nightmares.


13 posted on 11/19/2011 8:37:00 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

In olden times, (up to the 1960s or so), nursing homes were more like almshouses for the poor and those who had no family to care for them. Many old people also went into convents or monasteries in the past. Generally, you would have been cared for by your family, which was not a big deal since people didn’t live as long and if you became seriously ill, you were going to die quickly. In fact, the original purpose of Social Security was merely as an anti-poverty program for poor people in (especially) rural areas.

Nowadays we have this nightmarish situation of large numbers of old people receiving thousands of dollars worth of drugs and surgery to cheat death for another week, plus being rammed into nursing facilities like sardines. We have epidemics of cancer and dementia that were unheard of in the past when people rarely lived long enough to experience them.

My grandfather had it right. Had heart problems, but refused to get any surgery on them, and died at 74 still active and able-bodied. He knew when it was time to go rather than live too long and become a burden on others.


14 posted on 11/19/2011 8:54:26 AM PST by Strk321
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To: ErnBatavia

Good for you! My parents had to be in a nursing facility before they died. I learned quickly to go often, go at irregular times, and be vocal about their care. They were in the best home around, but even that needed to be tweaked from time to time. There were unfortunate individuals there who had no family or who had been pretty much abandoned. I know their care was less because no one paid close attention.


15 posted on 11/19/2011 8:57:18 AM PST by Library Lady
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To: mylife
This article is total bs. The police, or the local district attorney, could charge them with assault or attempted murder or battery, but I doubt there's a "waterboarding" statute on the books.

Judge: What's the charge, counselor?
DA: First degree waterboarding, your honor.
Judge: First degree?
DA: Yes, your honor, they used dirty water.
16 posted on 11/19/2011 9:08:41 AM PST by Krankor
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To: ErnBatavia
and the agency plus the gals all knew that I could and would drop in unannounced at any time of day or night.

We had to put my mom in a nursing home. Visited here EVERY WEEK to let the personnel know that we were monitoring her welfare. They never appeared to abuse anybody but we wanted to make sure.

One thing that would choke me up is that when we went to see her, the old timers were lined up on the porch, staring off into space. Out of courtesy, I'd say "Hello" to them and they'd light up and want to talk - to anybody. I did for a bit, but would be there still as these poor people were just hungry for some attention.

17 posted on 11/19/2011 9:17:38 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Oatka; Library Lady

Nursing homes and rehab facilities (right before the end, Mom had surgery for a broken hip - hence the rehab) are so depressing to visit — all the broken bodies and minds....


18 posted on 11/19/2011 9:23:03 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Obama Voters: Jose Baez wants YOU for his next jury pool.......)
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To: Krankor

Yup.

And why mention Saint Obama?


19 posted on 11/19/2011 9:57:45 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: yldstrk
isn't that generalizing a wee bit too much?...

you could have taken in your grandmother yourself.....why didn't you?....

we had little money growing up, but we took our grandmother in and she had her own room, and we kids doubled and tripled up in the other rooms....

don't criticize workers in a poorly paid and poorly reguarded job when you yourself would never do it, not even for loved ones...

20 posted on 11/19/2011 10:01:21 AM PST by cherry
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To: Strk321
do you know how much caregivers are paid?...practically nothing with no fat defined pensions and no big fat bonuses....

again....take your elderly in yourselves...you have a choice...

21 posted on 11/19/2011 10:04:21 AM PST by cherry
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To: Strk321
nursing homes and assisted living centers and adult foster homes etc etc are a symptom of everything wrong in our society.....where we ourselves should be taking care of our own elderly we expect instead that the govt is going to provide the same love and concern.....

putting mom and dad out to a nursing home is a relatively new concept.....

today people are too busy ....but not too busy to demean those who work in those facilities...

22 posted on 11/19/2011 10:09:33 AM PST by cherry
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To: cherry
Many of the caregivers themselves are not from nurturing families and it shows. But even the good workers feel the pressure when they are burdened with so many to care for.

Families should try to live close to the parents even if the latter are in nursing homes, and spend quality time with them. It is harder to do that in today's society when there are only one or two children, and children are not brought up to be close with cousins.
23 posted on 11/19/2011 10:18:50 AM PST by kenavi (1% of the 1% were born in the 1%.)
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To: cherry

I can see how you think that but it is more than just “don’t have time” or “laziness” as some would say. My uncle hurt his back trying to lift my grandmother over and over. Really he was not trained to lift someone as nurses are and that can be a strain if one also has a job. (tires you out). People put their loved ones, at least some do, in nursing homes so the “well trained staff” can lift them and tend to their needs round the clock. With some patients a lift is needed as they are rather large. Really the problem is not the idea of a nursing home but the quality of people they are able to hire. More often than not the people hired are nothing more than McDonalds workers. This is just a paycheck and they could care less about the “old people” they care for.


24 posted on 11/19/2011 10:22:00 AM PST by Morgana (This space for rent.........cheap)
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To: Morgana

Dibs on who they voted for in 2008


25 posted on 11/19/2011 10:23:55 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: cherry; Strk321; yldstrk

“do you know how much caregivers are paid?”

In a nursing home not much.

HOWEVER

In private care as in people’s homes quite well! Most train in a nursing home then go to private care where the money is. Plus in private care less demanding hours, only one person to watch much easier.

Now here is the catch with these chicks. If you have to fire one of them the rest will often quit on you because they for a “click” and you are left with no care givers.

In my opinion these people are pure trash. I saw this with my grandmother.

I did the usual ‘stop in unannounced’ to check on my granny and my aunts would get so upset because why? Oh it upset the care givers!! My one aunt even said “we can’t upset the care givers they will up and quit and I can’t care for Mom”. Un-freakin-believable !!

Hell yes they would up and quit and you all know what else? They would go right down the road and find a new job! Pure freaking trash. I have no use for them.

Most of these chicks were about 18 to 22 years of age. I know they don’t know what it is like to be old, they don’t think they will be old one day, they only think of here and now but karma is a bitch and one day they will get theirs.


26 posted on 11/19/2011 10:31:26 AM PST by Morgana (This space for rent.........cheap)
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To: cherry

You obviously didn’t read far enough uh cherry. MY GRANDMOTHER REFUSED LIVING WITH US, HELLO


27 posted on 11/19/2011 11:00:06 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: cherry

You are a judgmental cruel person


28 posted on 11/19/2011 11:01:23 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: cherry

Guess what you mean hack

SOME OLD PEOPLE WON’T LIVE WITH THEIR RELATIVES.

Doesn’t excuse the fact that the elder care is given in a lot of cases by sadists. What, you saying that just because you don’t make a hundred grand it is ok to be a sadist to someone who is in your clutches? You are a beast


29 posted on 11/19/2011 11:03:26 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Honey, calm down.

Some people don’t understand and are never going to understand. Not until they have walked in our shoes and realize how hard it is.

Yes I agree some relatives don’t want to live with other relatives.

and

Some relatives just can’t do it. It is hard to lift another human if not trained or if you are older. Sometimes it takes two nurses to lift a person correctly. I understand this but not everyone does.

The main purpose of a nursing home is that there should be “nurses” there who look out for the constant medical needs of very old and often very ill people. Nurses are suppose to have training that us lay people don’t have. Nurses are suppose to have more compassion but it would appear that a lot of these type of nurses are lacking in that area.

I blame the lack of morals in society in general. As well as turning away from God.


30 posted on 11/19/2011 1:33:23 PM PST by Morgana (This space for rent.........cheap)
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To: cherry

It’s partially that, but also partially because more and more people are living to advanced ages where they suffer from conditions like dementia. This wasn’t an issue 50 years ago or in the Third World today because you’d likely die before you could ever get to that point. Most families are unwilling or unable to care for a person who has reached this degree of debility.


31 posted on 11/19/2011 5:13:32 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Morgana

“Most of these chicks were about 18 to 22 years of age. I know they don’t know what it is like to be old, they don’t think they will be old one day, they only think of here and now but karma is a bitch and one day they will get theirs.”

Yeah, but that’s not for decades. Perhaps when they’re old, things will be different and medical treatment advances to the point where we can add quality of life as well as quantity. Keeping a person alive to 90 through multiple drugs/surgeries is pointless if all it does is prolong their misery.

I only hope that things improve and subsequent generations of people don’t suffer as badly in their last years as these old people have.


32 posted on 11/19/2011 5:20:22 PM PST by Strk321
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To: yldstrk; All

Have you ever heard the stories of what goes on in poultry farms? The same kind of people (ie. those with a thug mentality) work there, only instead of beating up old people, they beat up chickens. But it’s the same concept of choosing a job where you can pick on those who won’t fight back.

I think at the end of the day, we’re being punished for playing God. You say “Oh well, euthanizing the old is doing that.” It is, but so is trying to prolong a family member’s life at all costs without accepting that everyone has to die sometime. It works both ways. We want Grandma to be with us forever, but in our efforts to do so, we often just end up making her suffer more.

The long and short of it is that bumping off people and trying in vain to cheat death (everyone’s eventual fate) are both playing God in different ways, and they always end badly.


33 posted on 11/19/2011 5:34:19 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Strk321

I once saw a worker at a veterinarian kick a dog as I drove by. I called and reported him to the veterinarian. People are supposed to regard other living things with respect and care. Yeah, it takes patience and big deal they are irritating and cranky. BUT THE WORLD IS NOT REVOLVING AROUND THEM AND THEIR PEA BRAINS.

God is watching.


34 posted on 11/19/2011 6:30:30 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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