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LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center
ECat Planet by way of Freedom of Information Act Request ^ | December 5 2011 | Admin

Posted on 12/05/2011 9:23:08 AM PST by Kevmo


LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center
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Published on 12-05-2011 12:35 AM
On September of 2011, NASA Glen Research Center held a LENR Workshop at GRC on LENR. The notes are not currently available on NASA's site, but ecatplanet obtained the presentation notes from Dr. Dennis Bushnell and Dr. Joseph Zawodny via FOIA request.
Zawodny's presentation includes 35 pages of slides and includes a historical overview, theory, and implications for aerospace and beyond.
The powerpoint slides is available as a download at ZawodnyLENR for GRC.ppt or slightly modified with some NASA acronyms defined here.
Theory
Zawodny suggests that WLT may be correct, or at least on the right track. He thinks engineering specially designed nanostructures to create an ideal LENR reaction will be the way to avoid the randomness of micro-grained nickel powder.
LENR experiments employing electrochemical cells are basically uncontrolled experiments
IF the right pattern of dendrites/textures occurs, it is a random occurrence - almost pure luck
This is why replication is so sporadic, why some experiments take so long before they become active, and why some never do
Need to design, fabricate, and maintain the surface texture and/or grains - not rely on chance
MeV/He not a unique, let alone important, metric
What is LENR?
LENR is a form of nuclear power
However, LENR is NOT cold fusion
Transmutation products most consistent with neutron absorption process
Decay products readily thermalized
Gamma rays are screened out
Very likely linked to the resonance of the hydrogen in/on the metal lattice
Despite claims to the contrary, devices that can be turned ON/OFF not yet demonstrated
Ramifications
Scalable: Nuclear energy densities from µW to GW
Portable: Little or no need for radiation shielding
Adaptable to the full range of transportation systems
Does not have the weight, safety, and costs of fission
Revolutionizes Aviation and Access to Space
Decouples energetics from reaction mass
Fuel mass essentially goes away for air-breathing applications, reduces total mass
No GHG (CO2, H2O, aerosols, …) concerns
Fuel is very cheap (Nickel abundant, electrolysis of H2O)
Total replacement of fossil fuels for everything but synthetic organic chemistry
Aircraft and Space
Dr. Zawodny talks about the future of aviation when fuel is nearly zero. Military applications could include long range hypersonic or suborbital vehicles. Unmanned drones would be able to fly indefinitely. Spacecraft could be built in a fully reusable Single Stage To Orbit (SSTO) vehicle using an engine similar to the Space Shuttle's main engine.
Summary
A cheap, abundant, clean, scalable, portable source of energy will impact EVERYONE
Singular solution to peak oil, climate change, fresh water, and associated geopolitical instabilities
Drop-in replacement for traditional utility heat sources. Minimal impact to existing infrastructure
Enables widely distributed generation. Homes and businesses generate what they need - on site
Enables whole new approaches to all of NASA’s missions - we can affordably get off this rock!





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KEYWORDS: cmns; coldfusion; ecat; lenr
http://www.ecatplanet.net/content.php?133-LENR-Presentation-by-Joseph-Zawodny-2011

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1 posted on 12/05/2011 9:23:19 AM PST by Kevmo
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..

http://www.ecatplanet.net/content.php?133-LENR-Presentation-by-Joseph-Zawodny-2011

http://www.ecatplanet.net/downloads/ppt/ZawodnyLENR%20for%20GRC.ppt

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

As I suspected, NASA is going in hard for the Widom Larson Theory.


2 posted on 12/05/2011 9:30:54 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
I wonder what a single-use LENR nano-weapon would look like, and consist of?

I've been excited about the possibilities of LENR for commercial application... the potential for mischief with LENR is disconcerting. If everyone has virtually unlimited energy available to themselves, could we even survive? I'm concerned with both governmental misbehavior, and what a reckless neighbor kid might do with this stuff...

3 posted on 12/05/2011 10:16:52 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: Kevmo
I saw a very similar version of this presentation at the NASA 2011 Thermal and Fluids Analysis Workshop in August, where he was a lunchtime speaker. Dr. Zawodny believes that we are close to understanding what is going on, despite the fact that there are very few peer-reviewed papers.

After his talk, I asked him two questions: Why did he think that we were close, and what did he think of Rossi's work. To the first, he said that his knowledge of what was going on at universities around the world are showing something real, and that they are close to a breakthrough in the theory. As for Rossi, he was evasive about it, but I could tell by his body language he has his doubts.

4 posted on 12/05/2011 10:19:08 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: Kevmo

A text version of a PowerPoint presentation. One of your worst posts yet.


5 posted on 12/05/2011 10:25:13 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Liberty1970
the potential for mischief with LENR is disconcerting. If everyone has virtually unlimited energy available to themselves, could we even survive? I'm concerned with both governmental misbehavior, and what a reckless neighbor kid might do with this stuff...

I'm concerned about con artists using LENR to sucker people out of their money.

6 posted on 12/05/2011 10:30:13 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

Yeah. I heard you the first fifty times.


7 posted on 12/05/2011 10:47:26 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: Liberty1970
I wonder what a single-use LENR nano-weapon would look like

It would be really small, would take 4 hours to warm up and do nothing.

The Pentagon will no doubt order a few billion worth.

8 posted on 12/05/2011 10:54:44 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Liberty1970
Yeah. I heard you the first fifty times.

If Kevmo weren't spamming FR about Rossi you wouldn't have heard it at all.

9 posted on 12/05/2011 11:06:48 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
As I suspected, NASA is going in hard for the Widom Larson Theory.

One or two flakes within NASA, but not NASA as a whole.

10 posted on 12/05/2011 11:10:59 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo

Kevmo,

this is all positive stuff about the benefits of an entirely NEW FORM OF ENERGY. Can’t we get back to ad hominem attacks on Rossi where we belong?


11 posted on 12/05/2011 11:37:59 AM PST by Awnest (Live free or die.)
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To: Moonman62

Liberty 1970 is right. If everyone had a 10kW water heater / genset CHP, who’s gonna pay ConEd exec salaries? And two or three water heaters together could make a WMD... of some kind.


12 posted on 12/05/2011 11:43:27 AM PST by Awnest (Live free or die.)
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To: Awnest
And two or three water heaters together could make a WMD... of some kind.

A weapon of mass disinfection?

13 posted on 12/05/2011 11:59:59 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Liberty1970

I wonder what a single-use LENR nano-weapon would look like, and consist of?
***On one of these LENR threads there was a guy who thought this could replace gunpowder. It was difficult for me to see how. I can see how this would power an EM rail gun on a ship, but if we get to the point of individual infantry carrying railgun weapons and the average teenager in Beirut replacing his RPG with a LENR particle beam, we are all hosed.

A bible prophecy that comes to mind is 1 Thessalonians 5:3.


14 posted on 12/05/2011 12:54:37 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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15 posted on 12/05/2011 12:56:13 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: kosciusko51

Everyone has their doubts about Rossi. He’s like a clown in the bull riding ring. The state of the game without him would be worse.


16 posted on 12/05/2011 12:59:27 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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17 posted on 12/05/2011 1:00:36 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Everyone has their doubts about Rossi. He’s like a clown in the bull riding ring. The state of the game without him would be worse.

By game I assume you mean one of your wagering endeavors. From your description, I'd never assume that Rossi is a businessman as you claim.

18 posted on 12/05/2011 1:04:23 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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19 posted on 12/05/2011 1:06:11 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62
If Kevmo weren't spamming FR about Rossi

These powerpoints (there are 3 of them released today) mention Rossi only in part, in the context of overall LENR research. So are you hostile to all LENR research, or is it Rossi specifically whom you object to?

Maybe you should contact NASA and warn them before they get suckered by Rossi's scam. Sounds like they are in danger of taking the bait... (/s)

20 posted on 12/05/2011 1:07:27 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: Moonman62

powder..patch..ball FIRE!

If you would spend more time on your own interests intead of denigrating others we wouldn’t have heard from you either.


21 posted on 12/05/2011 1:09:12 PM PST by BallandPowder
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To: Moonman62

Dr. Zawodny appears to have some clout at NASA Langley, so I would say it is more than one or two flakes. But, as you said, not NASA as a whole.


22 posted on 12/05/2011 1:09:50 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: Moonman62
it's probably much more important to be concerned for con artists who peddle hard narcotics ~ they trick people out of their money, and then their lives.

I reserve my ire for situations where murder occurs ~

23 posted on 12/05/2011 2:51:39 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Moonman62; Kevmo
I'm concerned about con artists using LENR to sucker people out of their money.

I am as well. Remember when the fact that he wasn't soliciting investors was proof of his device. Now, he's looking to collect 10,000 suckers investors and no one eve notices which shell the pea is under.

From PP:

What is LENR?

LENR is a form of nuclear power
However, LENR is NOT cold fusion
Transmutation products most consistent with neutron absorption process
Decay products readily thermalized
Gamma rays are screened out
Very likely linked to the resonance of the hydrogen in/on the metal lattice
Despite claims to the contrary, devices that can be turned ON/OFF not yet demonstrated

Wasn't LENR originally called, "Lattice-Enabled Nuclear Reactions (LENR)???? from: You tube presentation Well worth watching.

There also something unusual going on, they publish their experiments so that other could try to repeat them and other have recreated them. Why, that's a wonderful idea, why doesn't Rossi do it?

Why is it now called Low Energy Nuclear Reactions?

24 posted on 12/05/2011 5:09:32 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Kevmo
It would be really small, would take 4 hours to warm up and do nothing.

Don't forget to mention the little puff of steam.

25 posted on 12/05/2011 5:11:20 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: muawiyah; Kevmo
it's probably much more important to be concerned for con artists who peddle hard narcotics ~ they trick people out of their money, and then their lives.

I reserve my ire for situations where murder occurs ~

Why, you're a regular, Florence Nightingale. Or at least this version of your multiple personalities.

I guess it's OK to scam folks money as long as it's not those con artists who hold a gun to people's heads and force them to use drugs.

26 posted on 12/05/2011 5:17:13 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

You find an LENR aficionado who’s also selling Heroin and we can make an exception eh.


27 posted on 12/05/2011 5:54:35 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Lx

Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Lx.

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. Maybe you should sign up for a few more years of therapy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2813439/posts?page=91#91

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2811976/posts?page=165#165

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2811976/posts?page=164#164

• Sven Kullander On Rossi And eCat
Saturday, November 26, 2011 1:55:59 PM • 164 of 169
Lx to Kevmo
I see...years of therapy on your horizon, better start now.
It’s really helped me be nicer, more sympathetic and understanding.
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28 posted on 12/05/2011 8:56:32 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Lx

Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Lx.

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. Maybe you should sign up for a few more years of therapy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2813439/posts?page=91#91

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2811976/posts?page=165#165

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2811976/posts?page=164#164

• Sven Kullander On Rossi And eCat
Saturday, November 26, 2011 1:55:59 PM • 164 of 169
Lx to Kevmo
I see...years of therapy on your horizon, better start now.
It’s really helped me be nicer, more sympathetic and understanding.
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29 posted on 12/05/2011 8:57:24 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

Hey moon, there’s an obsessed lunatic in the room. Can you spot him?? No? Are you sure, he’s right there. Keep looking, he shows up on every LENR thread.


30 posted on 12/06/2011 9:53:00 AM PST by citizen (Fear Newt, folks. He never has his thumb more than 6 inches away from the self-destruct button.)
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To: citizen

What is LENR? What are the particles involved? How are the reaction rates calculated? What particles should be detected in order to verify that nuclear reactions are occurring?


31 posted on 12/06/2011 10:44:46 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

Hey Moonie,

I’m with you. All this excitement over a little thing like excess heat in a jar full of chemicals? Shite, I put vinegar and baking powder in a baby food jar and get more action. So, I’m just gonna stick my head up here... where the sun don’t shine fer while, an put my fingers in ma earz...

BTW, read the peer-reviewed science. It’s on a thing called the internet.

/s


32 posted on 12/06/2011 6:33:53 PM PST by Awnest (Live free or die.)
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To: Lx
"Why, that's a wonderful idea, why doesn't Rossi do it?" Dunno Lx... Why didn't Edison send his light bulb spec to every physics lab in the country?? Huh? Trade Secret? Intellectual Property? Proprietary Technology?? WTF?? Who needs that?? Hey, let's issue an FOIR; maybe Coca Cola will give us their secret recipe. FYI, the effect is also called Lattice Assisted Nuclear R... It's a phenomenon without a working theory. So what?
33 posted on 12/06/2011 7:00:57 PM PST by Awnest (Live free or die.)
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To: Awnest
They have drugs that stabilize people from having these crazy bouts of mania along with severe bouts of depression. It's not a reflection on you, sometimes folk's brain chemistry is out of whack.

Then again, most sixteen year olds are like that anyways.

Didn't Edison have a pretty convincing demo, apply voltage, light, lights up. Remove voltage, light goes dim.

Do us all a favor and avoid using words that you don't know the meaning of until you look them up and become an expert via Google/Wiki.

What's a FOIR? Is it something like a FOIA-Request? Is it something you can use against private companies? Is it a floor wax and a desert topping?

Finally, While Edison was a genius, he was also kind of a scumbag; ask Tesla, Georges Méliès and George Westinghouse.

34 posted on 12/06/2011 10:02:13 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Kevmo
Here's my standard post to cowardly Kevmo, you look at this in the mirror every morning but guess what? It's not going to change until you do so that would be never.


35 posted on 12/06/2011 10:06:31 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Liberty1970
Maybe you should contact NASA and warn them before they get suckered by Rossi's scam. Sounds like they are in danger of taking the bait... (/s)
Don't worry, it looks like NASA has Rossi's number (LINK):
Bushnell failed to mention that NASA had already made attempts to perform due diligence on the Rossi device. Some of the people involved in those attempts were in attendance at this workshop.

In the timeline shown in Nelson’s slides, Nelson omitted the Sept. 5 and 6, 2011 Rossi device tests performed in Bologna for engineers representing Quantum Energy Technologies. NASA representatives were present both days.

One of the eye-witnesses, a former NASA staff member, saw problems from the moment they arrived there.

“Rossi changed the game totally.” the witness said. “From the test plan, the device, everything. There was nothing there that we had agreed on. He had a 30 liter reservoir in there and he wouldn’t even let us see what was in the box or weigh the box.”

The Sept. 5 demonstration was inconclusive; Rossi’s device sprang a leak. The Sept. 6 demonstration was inconclusive; there was no outflow of steam or water.

On the second day, when the former NASA staff member asked Rossi if his device had an internal reservoir, Rossi became enraged. Quantum’s engineers left but NASA engineers offered to come back in a few days to give Rossi time to fix the flow. Rossi declined their offer. He said he was “too busy.”


36 posted on 12/07/2011 7:42:17 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Lx

Lx, your suggestion to ask a bunch of DEAD guys about Thomas Edison indicates a severe psychic schism. YOU may think you can talk to DEAD guys... many your age in their dotage do; just don’t expect us rooted in the real world to join you.

Now explain again how your super batteries deliver quadruple mileage before the engine turns on??


37 posted on 12/07/2011 12:15:59 PM PST by Awnest (Live free or die.)
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To: Awnest
I'm afraid that you are on the far left side of the Bell curve. Did it occur to you to look up their names in Google, based on the amount of B.S you spew, we know you're familiar with Google and Wiki? Only a complete moron with severe organic brain damage would take what I posted, translate it into something else and then imply that I think those folks are still alive.

You have been judged...

...The Evidence before the court is, incontrovertible, there's no need for the jury to retire, In all my years of judging I have never heard before Of someone more deserving than The full penalty of law.

The way you made them suffer, Your exquisite wife and mother, Fills me with the urge to defecate!!

"Go on Judge, sh** on him!" Since, my friend, you have revealed your deepest fear, I sentence you to be exposed before Your peers. Tear down the wall!

Again, I feel like I'm watching the older and bigger kids picking on a kid with Down's syndrome and me being unable to do anything about it. It's unfair to you as you can't help it, you were born that way.

I see you're avoiding posts 158 and 159 and I have to wonder why...

38 posted on 12/07/2011 3:40:10 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

LOL, “judged” by old man who talks to DEAD guys?? Bluster, bluster, gramps - sorry for your incontinent PRIDE. This may help:

http://bit.ly/srga2p


39 posted on 12/12/2011 12:15:36 PM PST by Awnest (Live free or die.)
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To: Awnest

Please see a shrink before you’re too far gone!

Austria is lovely this time of year.


40 posted on 12/14/2011 11:51:30 PM PST by Lx (A)
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To: Kevmo

And -

Here is Joe Zawodny’s website with his statement:

http://joe.zawodny.com/

It begins thusly:

First the disclaimers: While I do work for NASA, I do not speak for them. They employ me for my professional capabilities and on occasion my professional opinion. Nothing I say should ever be construed as anything other than my personal opinion. As a NASA employee I am allowed and often times encouraged to say what I think. This and the exceptional people I get to work with every day are what make NASA great and a great place to work.

I wish to respond to a number of things that have popped up on the web in the past few days and weeks. I do this here because I can control the message. Every issue has at least two sides but, only the writer gets to decide how to present them. I do not plan to make discussion of my work on this site a habit and I do not plan to allow any comments to this post. It is unlikely that any email on this topic sent to me will generate a reply. Undoubtedly, bits and pieces of this will be taken out of context and used to support claims and opinions which I myself do not hold. Such is the nature of the Wild West Web (WWW). All I can ever hope to do is to maintain the original content and context. In my opinion, reputable sites will link back to this original content and others will not.

MORE: see link above


41 posted on 01/17/2012 3:52:11 PM PST by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the favored tools of the weak-minded.)
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