Posted on 12/08/2011 11:52:02 AM PST by AUJenn
Why is a homosexual girlfriend of a familiy member “family”?
Telling AUJenn to pull the plank out of her own eye is freaking offensive. She is polite and wanting to know how other people deal with this situation. Having a family member decide to become a homosexual is a difficult situation - homosexual behavior is immoral, perverse and destructive.
Jesus’ admonistion about puttling the speck from one’s own eye is irrelevant to the discussion.
Your insult to AUJenn makes me sick.
You will gain only the enmity of your entire family if you tell them what they are doing is wrong.
Dummy up and mind your own business.
You don't have to invite them to YOUR house.
I have a 3 year old and my brother is gay. I simply will not let my son be around if my brother’s boyfriend is going to be there. He can have a bachelor uncle, but he will not have a gay uncle.
Project much?
I said nothing about hostility, and I don’t HAVE a gay family member.
Jesus did NOT tolerate sin. Jesus confronted sin.
You do not believe that a Christian can “fall away” or commit sinful acts after baptism? Why are there Biblical instructions for how to deal with brothers and sisters in Christ who lead sinful lives?
Some of the advice offered here is eye-opening. I find it amazing so many freepers are willing to put up with homosexual behavior in front of children.
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Eye opening for sure.
Who, besides yourself, is discussing putting up with homosexual behavior (it’s called sex) in front of the kids?
Really, you find it amazing that family is so important to freepers that we work to keep the family bonds intact in spite of our differences?
You can have exactly zero positive influence on someone you alienate.
How’s that tagline working out for you?
Very disturbing. And I haven't even read the whole thread yet.
First, I was referring to the actual family member as that is who the OP was referring in her original comment.
Second, the ‘plank’ comment wasn’t directed specifically at the OP but is a general statement that everyone has faults and sins including ourselves and if we cut off everyone who has sins, we have to cut off everyone including ourselves.
You read way, way too much into that comment.
If you've even considered being "hateful", you are not making Christians look bad, you are making YOU look bad, and probably not all that Christ-like. I also fail to see where it would reflect on conservatives as a group.
Being fake isn't going to get you anywhere ... if this is a close family member, she is going to know that you are not sincere.
I strongly suggest loving the sinner and praying for the sin. The Bible may have something to say on the matter.
Excellent advice, and the voice of experience.
Such acts are sinful, and they are grave sins. The Bible says that they are worthy of death if convicted of the crime in a competent court. Of course, the acts are no longer illegal in America and in many nations.
In order to know what to do, it helps to think hypothetically for a moment. Imagine the family member had committed murders; this is also defined as a sin that should be punished by death. Imagine that murder was no longer punishable under American law.
We would still want our family member to repent of their sin, even if they do not have to stand trial; to become aware of the truths in the Bible, to acknowledge that the acts are indeed wrong, to acknowledge that they committed the acts, and therefore to understand their need for salvation in Jesus Christ.
Sometimes people live their entire lives in sin and, upon death, are assured only of damnation; eternal separation from God. Oftentimes God orders people’s lives such that they commit horrible and disgusting sins, and this serves to provide the basis for them to become convicted of their own sin in a most dramatic way.
Christians must ask themselves, with anything that they like to have, or like to do - which is more important, God or that thing ? What are my priorities ? The Bible tells us that God is first in the heart of the believer. The believer will place God above country and family. Even to the point of perhaps going againsts hundreds of years of tradition or becoming a social outcast. While my earthly life may be much easier by going along with the crowd of heathens, I have nothing to look forward to beyond that, and earthly life is very fleeting. And none of my friends or family can come to my defense regarding my final judgement; only Jesus Christ can do that.
As far as those who live in habitual sin, and who therefore have every appearance of being unbelievers, as there is no other logical conclusion other than they simply have not yet been spiritually reborn, Christians are commanded to simply bring them the Word of God, the Gospel; BOTH the New and the Old Testaments. God and his law are unchanging, they do not change with the whims of humans. While looking at the Old Testament in such a case will convict the sinner in their heart, the New Testament presents the salvation of the elect, the children of God, who, by Grace through faith in Christ Jesus are born again, a new man, and will find themself living in obedience to the whole counsel of God and most certainly turning away from their former sins. Our time on earth is short. Wicked behavior is tempting in that it satisfies lusts of immediate gratification, thinking truly of ourselves, not of others. Man without the Holy Spirit wants to only satisfy himself and he will stand on his head to deny this and will be deceived by the allure of one wicked behavior or another and find it impossible to resist.
This all goes to show why it is far more cruel to not confront the sinner. To not say the truth, by saying nothing, is to lie to the poor sinner. When the sinner is confronted with the unchanging and eternal Word of God, they are confronted with their sin - which is the first step in coming to God. This must be done Scripturally to be effective - great harm can be done if it is not done Scripturally.
There is another alternative between “cutting off” and approval. It’s a continuum.
As I see it, they’re just not teachable on the subject because they have gay friends or gay family. Sigh.
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Funny. As I see it, you’re the one not teachable on this subject. You have a cartoonish, one-size-fits-all view of gay people, and are entirely closed to any contrasting data.
>>I don’t think that the poster was inquiring about how to be hip in the 21st century. <<
Best post of the day, my FRiend!
stuartcr is one of the worst trolls on FR and I’ve come to the conclusion he’s psychotic as well. He loves to come to threads involving morality and religion and p*** on everyone who has any repsect for morality or belief in God.
Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer
The child isn’t lost until he or she decides to be lost. We are to be an example, not judge and jury. The two women can repent despite their present behavior. Unceasing prayer is absolutely necessary for these souls.
Unbelievable.
Thank you, friend. It’s so nice to see you! :)
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