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Presidential Candidate Hopes for Cold Fusion [Romney *hearts* Rossi??]
Ecatnews.com ^ | 12/09/11 | Admin

Posted on 12/09/2011 1:00:07 PM PST by Liberty1970

Presidential Candidate Hopes For Cold Fusion

December 9, 2011

A little over two weeks ago, we were talking about Andrea Rossi’s invitation from Senator Bruce Tarr to visit Boston to explore the possibility of eCat manufacturing in Massachusetts. Reading the tealeaves, it seems that Tarr maintained a healthy touch of scepticism but even so, the invitation was remarkable and I wondered then if we were seeing the tip of a larger movement among the power-brokers towards the possibility that cold fusion was real. Many wondered if Rossi was simply looking for investors, hoping to do a deal under the table for buckets of money in one of those tiresome over-complicated fraud stories they make up.

Today, we get another surprise. David Bernstein of the Boston Pheoenix spotted something unusual in the transcript of a Washington Examiner interview with US Presidential candidate Mitt Romney. Almost jokingly, he mentions cold-fusion and his hope that a solution can be found so that it can be used to produce electricity. As Bernstein notes:

It is unusual, to say the least, that a campaigning Presidential candidate would know anything about cold fusion, let alone recalling off the top of his head the university that conducted an experiment more than two decades ago. It is even odder that a campaigning Presidential candidate would voluntarily cite, in an on-the-record interview, the promise of a science considered by most physicists to be a total hoax. Frankly, you might expect it from Newt Gingrich, not Romney.

The full transcript is here and the audio is on YouTube and embedded below. Romney:

I do believe in basic science. I believe in participating in space. I believe in analysis of new sources of energy. I believe in laboratories, looking at ways to conduct electricity with — with cold fusion, if we can come up with it. It was the University of Utah that solved that. We somehow can’t figure out how to duplicate it.

Listen from 3.30 on, to get the comments in context. It’s worth doing this because you will hear him chuckle as he mentions cold fusion. It left me wondering if he was making a joke. I decided he was not but cannot discount the possibility or that the remark was an error (confusing cold fusion for something else). Is this a coincidence too many? Are we truly beginning to see signs of an underlying change in the landscape? As with most things in this story, we cannot be sure. Phrased in such a light-hearted manner, if Rossi pans out, Romney can point to this record and look pretty damned smart. If the eCat does not live up to its promise, he can always say he was joking or that it was a slip of the tongue. Clever, really. He should have been a politician.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: coldfusion; ecat; romney; rossi
Gotta love that last line.

I suppose Romney seeming to support the Ecat is not a logical reason to disbelieve in it, though it sure is tempting.

1 posted on 12/09/2011 1:00:19 PM PST by Liberty1970
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To: Liberty1970

Like Ed Mezvinski putting his faith in Kenyan money transfers...........


2 posted on 12/09/2011 1:04:08 PM PST by blackdog (And justice for all.....(Offer not valid in all locations, and prices vary))
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To: Liberty1970

Yes but what does he think of perpetual motion?


3 posted on 12/09/2011 1:05:14 PM PST by WHBates
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To: Kevmo
Confluence of politics and LENR *Ping*

Not much truly newsworthy of late, though it is also worth pointing out that Rossi has his list of the first 10,000 interested 'customers.' Which seems kinds of pointless to me really. The whole world will be his customer base if the ecat is real. It doesn't take a detailed marketing analysis to figure out if the demand for this product is out there.

I'm just trying to figure out exactly how I'd use mine, if it turns out real and I opt in on being one of the first 10K purchasers. It's a bit expensive solely for a replacement water heater so I'd want to get home heating out of it as well, and that would take some rigging that probably goes beyond what a typical HVAC tech could come up with on their own. Anyone have any simple ideas?

4 posted on 12/09/2011 1:06:45 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: Liberty1970

Everybody loves cold fusion.

Problem is, those who have a modicum of physics education don’t think it’ll ever happen.

And of course, a politician such as RINOmney, who understands nothing beyond looking at a mirror, is woefully unprepared to test a flashlight battery.

Given all that, I would love to find that I’m wrong on cold fusion.


5 posted on 12/09/2011 1:09:51 PM PST by Da Coyote (Liberalism - when you absolutely, positively have no ability to produce wealth.)
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To: Da Coyote

careful now or you will be labeled a dove or seagull or whatever it is.


6 posted on 12/09/2011 1:13:56 PM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: Da Coyote
When I ask about the subject with Ph.D. physicist aquaintances they have been very negative on the subject of cold fusion. On the other hand, even in a very biased attack on the Ecat by a phsyicist blogger that was picked up by Realclearpolitics the other day, the author admitted cold fusion was a possibility.

And while they are doubtless a minority, I can name quite a few Ph.D. physicists out there who seem open to cold fusion/LENR, or are working on it themselves (Drs. George Miley, Focardi, Piantelli, Stremmenos, Josephson, Kullander, Essen, etc.)

I try to keep the majority opinion squarely in mind, but I can't just arbitrarily denounce a sizable group of qualified folks like this as all being frauds or fools. Something interesting is going on in LENR, when all is said and done.

7 posted on 12/09/2011 1:22:00 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: Liberty1970
As doubtful as I am, I can't think of anyone other then the “rag heads” and dictators who control most of the world's oil who wouldn't want to see the E-cat experiment work. It would be a win/win for the world.
8 posted on 12/09/2011 1:23:47 PM PST by WellyP (REAL)
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To: VaRepublican

Not even close. It’s the folks that make an irritating habit of going out of their way seeking out every Ecat thread just to drop the same pointless droppings over and over and over without even digesting or responding to the data in the article in question that earned that moniker.


9 posted on 12/09/2011 1:25:49 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: Liberty1970
P,T, Barnum made a fortune off of convincing people the impossible was real.

You say that you can't just arbitrarily denouncd a sizable group of "qualified folks" like this, but most of us conservatives do it all the time when we blow holes in AGW. There are a ton of "qualified folks" who are either part of the conspiracy or have been bamboozled by Al Gore.

Ecat . . . please. :)
10 posted on 12/09/2011 1:28:24 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Liberty1970

I want free energy too, but meanwhile, give me cheap oil and gas, and give me lots of it. Global warming is a scam.


11 posted on 12/09/2011 1:39:52 PM PST by pallis
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To: Liberty1970

Isn’t ecat what they use to power the FEMA Death Camps? Or what that the alien base on Saturn? I can never remember.


12 posted on 12/09/2011 1:42:24 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (The patient is too far gone to save.)
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To: Liberty1970

Hey, if Ecat works as advertised, everybody loves it!

Well almost everybody...


13 posted on 12/09/2011 1:48:58 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Liberty1970

14 posted on 12/09/2011 2:12:40 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Liberty1970

I cannot find where anything said that Romney mentioned the eCat. He was said to have mentioned cold fusion—which is probably as non-existent as a functional eCat—but saying “cold fusion” is not the same as saying “eCat”.


15 posted on 12/09/2011 4:13:30 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Liberty1970; dangerdoc; citizen; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..

Thanks for the ping.

The only problem is, Romney is a RINO.

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

All Blogs Talking Politics Romney: Hot For Cold Fusion?

http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2011/12/08/romney-hot-for-cold-fusion.aspx#0_undefined,0_

Romney: Hot For Cold Fusion?
Published Dec 08 2011, 01:25 PM by David S. Bernstein 4Mitt Romney hasn’t been giving many on-the-record extended interviews, so when he does — as he did earlier this week with the Washington Examiner editorial board — they get pored over and dissected like holy epistles. In this case, some Romney detractors are trying to make issues out of two things that I don’t think amount to anything: first, Romney saying that he wouldn’t recommend the Massachusetts health care system, in toto, for any other states; and second, Romney saying that he has a “limited understanding of the economy.” (The first I think is consistent with what he has said beginning with the rewritten paperback version of No Apology; the second I think is a silly distortion out of context.)

I did, however, find something interesting in the transcript. I’ve bolded it in this exchange:

Q: What role should government have in promoting certain industries or economic activities such as homeownership, or manufacturing, renewable energy or fossil fuel energy, exports, or just advanced technology? What sort of subsidies and incentives do you favor? You had some of these in Massachusetts, I know.

ROMNEY: Very limited — my answer to your first question. I’m not an advocate of industrial policy being formed by a government. I do believe in the power of free markets, and when the government removes the extraordinary burdens that it puts on markets, why I think markets are more effective at guiding a prosperous economy than is the government.

So for instance, I would not be investing massive dollars in electric car companies in California. I think Tesla and Fisker are delightful-looking vehicles, but I somehow imagine that Toyota, Nissan, and even General Motors will produce a more cost-effective electric car than either Tesla or Fisker. I think it is bad policy for us to be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in specific companies and specific technologies, and developing those technologies.

I do believe in basic science. I believe in participating in space. I believe in analysis of new sources of energy. I believe in laboratories, looking at ways to conduct electricity with — with cold fusion, if we can come up with it. It was the University of Utah that solved that. We somehow can’t figure out how to duplicate it.

But basic science, in my view, is a way that research can encourage our entire economy. And so, for instance, in Michigan, some years ago — I think it was in 2007 — I spoke there and said, you know, I think we ought to embark upon an effort to do analysis on energy research, transportation research, materials research. But again, basic research which could then be either purchased by or licensed by companies foreign and domestic.

It is unusual, to say the least, that a campaigning Presidential candidate would know anything about cold fusion, let alone recalling off the top of his head the university that conducted an experiment more than two decades ago. It is even odder that a campaigning Presidential candidate would voluntarily cite, in an on-the-record interview, the promise of a science considered by most physicists to be a total hoax. Frankly, you might expect it from Newt Gingrich, not Romney.

This surely would have gone unnoticed, had there not been someone — me — sitting at the unusual nexus of three demographics: A) people who regularly read full transcripts of Mitt Romney interviews; B) people who were slightly nerdy 20-something-year-old policy and science geeks in 1989, who got caught up in the brief but fascinating hoopla over cold fusion; and C) people who follow Massachusetts politics very, very closely for a living.

Only people in group A would have seen Romney’s remarks. Only those in A and B would have known what he was talking about. And only those of us in all three groups would have slapped their forehead and cried out: “Bruce Tarr got to Romney!!!”

Tarr is the Massachusetts state senate Minority Leader — something of a ceremonial position in the Commonwealth. And for reasons that may or may not be related to his having been a 20-something-year-old policy and science geek in 1989, he’s a big cold fusion buff. Probably the biggest, if not the only, cold-fusion buff in American elected office today.

In fact, the E-Cat World blog calls Tarr the first politician to publicly extol the potential of Italian physicist Andrea Rossi’s (possible) breakthrough cold-fusion product.

If you have no idea what E-Cat is, or who Andrea Rossi is... well, then you have some idea of just how bizarre it was for Mitt Romney to be pulling cold fusion references out of his ass.

In any event, just last month, on Tarr’s invitation, Rossi visited Boston to consider basing production of his cold-fusion product here in the Bay State — if, of course, it turns out to be for real. As a columnist for Wired’s UK web site put it, it’s either “the breakthrough of the century or the scam of the decade.” The heavy betting is on scam, which is why you haven’t seen much reporting on this potentially world-changing development. Even Tarr (who I’ve been unable to reach) is maintaining a healthy skepticism, I’m told.

It’s hard to imagine there is no connection between Rossi’s recent visit, and Romney’s startling interest in an obscure, most likely non-existent energy. The exact connection remains a mystery for the moment. Tarr has conspicuously not endorsed Romney, but they may still have ended up chatting at some revent local event. More likely, I think, it came through some other GOP state legislator, or perhaps an area scientist, academic leader, or investor who met Rossi during his Statehouse visit.

On the other hand, maybe Romney doesn’t know anything about Rossi’s claims — after all, in the interview he seems to be unaware of any claims to have replicated the (long since discounted) University of Utah results. If that’s the case, it’s just downright freaky weird that Romney brought up cold fusion.

The even greater mystery is why it popped out of Romney’s mouth during the Examiner interview. Romney is a pretty disciplined talking-points interviewee, and I can’t imagine cold fusion was ever recommended in rehearsals.

On the other hand, if Republicans really are looking for an “all-of-the-above” approach to energy, as Sarah Palin likes to put it, Romney is now officially their guy. If you think drilling in the Everglades is thinking outside the box, check out Mitt “Stone-Cold Fusion” Romney!


16 posted on 12/09/2011 10:13:45 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: WellyP
As doubtful as I am, I can't think of anyone other then the “rag heads” and dictators who control most of the world's oil who wouldn't want to see the E-cat experiment work. It would be a win/win for the world.

Your extreme enviros hate the idea.

What limitless cheap energy would do is light a fire under the world's economy. The enviros are petrified by the idea of what the world will be like when the whole world achieves the standard of living the US presently has.

And they have a point. Just producing the meat needed would have major impact on the environment.

Not saying I agree with them, just that they have a point.

17 posted on 12/09/2011 11:58:08 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: exDemMom
I cannot find where anything said that Romney mentioned the eCat. He was said to have mentioned cold fusion—which is probably as non-existent as a functional eCat—but saying “cold fusion” is not the same as saying “eCat”.

Funny how the Rossi fan boys can create Rossi "news" out of thin air. I bet this Romney non-ecat-mention is already copy and pasted all over the Internet on at least a 100 different blogs.

18 posted on 12/10/2011 12:11:11 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Da Coyote
"Problem is, those who have a modicum of physics education don’t think it’ll ever happen."

Funny, I seem to recall that Brian Josephson has more than a "modicum" of physics (Nobel Prize, solid state physics), and he thinks it's real. And there are many others, none of them "flakes".

19 posted on 12/10/2011 4:25:24 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Liberty1970

Well, it’s a lot better than him believing in AGW. Small steps......LOL.


20 posted on 12/10/2011 5:43:35 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Sherman Logan
"Your extreme enviros hate the idea."

Only those who are totally clueless about science (which, unfortunately, is most of them).

"What limitless cheap energy would do is light a fire under the world's economy. The enviros are petrified by the idea of what the world will be like when the whole world achieves the standard of living the US presently has.

With an energy source as cheap and plentiful as LANR appears to be, the entire global populace could be raised to the "standard of living the US has" and STILL clean up the planet. Recycling on a scale and to a degree that is currently impossible should provide most of the resources.

And once we have CHEAP access to orbit, most of the resources will come from, and a lot of the production will be done there.

"And they have a point. Just producing the meat needed would have major impact on the environment.

Only on the tops of their heads.

21 posted on 12/10/2011 6:34:59 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Liberty1970

It’s the folks that make an irritating habit of going out of their way promoting every Ecat thread just to drop the same blog press release droppings over and over and over without even digesting or responding to the data in the article in question that earned that moniker or they would know they’re just suckers.

I rewrote it for truth.

I just find it hilarious that the ecat fanboys post every press release from all of the ecat blogs. Yet, you don’t see the irony, perhaps that isn’t all you’re failing to see...


22 posted on 12/10/2011 8:52:07 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx
I just find it hilarious that the ecat fanboys post every press release from all of the ecat blogs. Yet, you don’t see the irony, perhaps that isn’t all you’re failing to see...

Which is just flat out wrong. I've made a careful point of distinguishing between newsworthy updates and the less significant items, and only posted the former. Most updates at the Ecat news sites I do not post here, and many of them are not posted by anyone else either. Anyone can go to the site links (ecatnews.com and e-catworld.com), and see that you are lying on this point.

As is plain from my posts on the subject, I am not a 'fanboy' by any stretch of the word. I do find the subject very intriguing. But it is not a crime to be curious about something that could have momentous implications. Your 'thought police' attitude is tiresome.

23 posted on 12/10/2011 8:59:29 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: Liberty1970
Which is just flat out wrong. I've made a careful point of distinguishing between newsworthy updates and the less significant items, and only posted the former. Most updates at the Ecat news sites I do not post here, and many of them are not posted by anyone else either.

So of all the non-news fluff about Rossi you pick this non-mention-of-Rossi by RINO Mitt Romney to copy and paste on FR.

Your 'thought police' attitude is tiresome.

It's not a "thought police" attitude. We're just pointing out how lame you are, fan boy.

24 posted on 12/10/2011 9:15:40 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Liberty1970
Did it occur to you that I was talking to ALL of the fanboys and not just you? I didn't bother to cut and paste every Rossi worshiper so I just selected, "Post Reply"

Your 'thought police' attitude is tiresome.

You're inability to not think that every post is about you is most tiresome and likely the sign of a larger mental issue. You should probably see a Neurologist to catch it before it's irreversible. After all, we care for you.

25 posted on 12/10/2011 9:17:28 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Liberty1970
It’s the folks that make an irritating habit of going out of their way promoting every Ecat thread

So, you, yourself include yourself as one of the folks that do what I was talking about, yes?

26 posted on 12/10/2011 1:09:29 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Liberty1970

I Happen to be in Europe at the moment but maybe I should just have my wife deal with you. See zou in a week or so...


27 posted on 12/12/2011 2:56:31 AM PST by Lx (A)
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To: Lx

Yes, I must be Rossi”s biggest fanboy, do you even read these threads??
I never thought I would say this IPhones are pretty cool.
It sure is nice in Budapest!!!!


28 posted on 12/12/2011 7:04:32 AM PST by Lx (A)
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To: Liberty1970

Mitt “Stone-Cold Fusion” Romney! lol Love it :)


29 posted on 12/12/2011 8:35:56 AM PST by citizen (Fear the Newt, folks. He never has his thumb more than 6" away from the self-destruct button.)
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To: Da Coyote

I’m no brainiac and not even close to knowing much about physics but I very much doubt that mankind understands it all. Witness the recent reports of faster than light particles being detected in the CERN Swiss lab and also some new possibly neutrino-like particles being detected emanating from the sun that change the decay rate of radioactive isotopes.


30 posted on 12/12/2011 8:50:02 AM PST by citizen (Fear the Newt, folks. He never has his thumb more than 6" away from the self-destruct button.)
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To: citizen

*rate should be rates


31 posted on 12/12/2011 12:17:24 PM PST by citizen (Fear the Newt, folks. He never has his thumb more than 6" away from the self-destruct button.)
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To: Liberty1970

Romney making a ringing endorsement of Rossi... wow, how you guys will spin Rossi’s fake news stories from his sites.

If the Pope was giving a sermon, Rossi would claim it was about his scam


32 posted on 12/14/2011 10:24:29 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813
Romney making a ringing endorsement of Rossi... wow, how you guys will spin Rossi’s fake news stories from his sites.

That's called putting words in people's mouths. You are wrong on all points.

1. No one has claimed a 'ringing' endorsement.

2. It is clearly expressed in the write-up that the author isn't even sure Romney had the Ecat in mind; that was just a logical surmise based on Rossi's recent trip to Romney's home state of Massachusetts and meeting with Republican leadership there.

3. My own bracketed comment in the title was meant to be light-hearted, though I'm sure that is lost on the closeminded pseudoskeptics. Note also the presence of 2 question marks, to further emphasize the uncertainty surrounding this report.

So much for claiming a 'ringing endorsement'!

33 posted on 12/15/2011 7:01:23 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: Liberty1970

It is meant to invoke the false image even though there is absolutely no doubt that Romney doesn’t even know anything about this guy.

Why don’t you try to find Romney even mentioning Rossi before repeating this junk.

A lie is still a lie if the purpose is to deceive. It doesn’t matter the exact form of the words, only the intention of deceit.


34 posted on 12/15/2011 4:05:43 PM PST by dila813
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