2012: The Year of Cold Fusion?

Forbes ^ | 12/31/2011 | Mark Gibbs

[Kevmo]

2012: The Year of Cold Fusion?


If this topic is new to you, the really short summary is that the E-Cat is a Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) or “cold fusion” device that generates large amounts of heat for a miniscule cost.

I first wrote about the E-Cat and its implications in my Backspin column in Network World back in October and then again a couple of weeks later here in my Forbes Technobable blog. Since then I have covered various aspects of the topic ... here’s the list:

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Why so many postings on this topic? Simple … as I pointed out at some length in the first columns, should Rossi’s E-Cat work as claimed, it will transform the world making oil, coal, and conventional nuclear power along with wind and solar power obsolete as energy sources.

Alas,... the question of whether the E-Cat really works remains unproven because over the last year the E-Cat’s inventor, Andrea Rossi, has given a number of impressive but inconclusive demonstrations. These were inconclusive because they weren’t run in such a way as to remove doubt about what’s really going on and whether more energy was being generated by the E-Cat than was being put into it.

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If the whole thing is a fraud it’s going to be one of the greatest in modern times. If it’s not, 2012 is going to be the year when everything changes.

[Kevmo]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/12/31/2012-the-year-of-cold-fusion/

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

[Kevmo]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/12/31/2012-the-year-of-cold-fusion/

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

[Jonty30]

Why so many postings on this topic? Simple … as I pointed out at some length in the first columns, should Rossi’s E-Cat work as claimed, it will transform the world making oil, coal, and conventional nuclear power along with wind and solar power obsolete as energy sources.

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Because you’re bored and have no social life. It’s a sincere possibility that you live in your mom’s basement and have a lot of time on your hands. :)

[ClearCase_guy]

I'm cautiously optimistic on this topic, but I did think that there would be more news and acceptance of LENR starting in the Fall of 2011. In terms of proof and acknowledgement of the reality, it feels to me like the Spring of 2011 -- not so much to show.

But I remain cautiously optimistic.

[PAR35]

“If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn’t”

or, perhaps

“There’s a sucker born every minute”

[CincyRichieRich]

Kinda thinking this is one of those things God isn’t letting us achieve...

Also, if Obama really wanted to achieve green energy he’d be funding this instead of the fake green energy companies.

[Incorrigible]

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Mr. Fusion at last! .

[Moonman62]

Why so many postings on this topic?

Because scam fanatics like Mark Gibbs and Kevmo keep regurgitating the same thing over and over again. It's worse than a dog that eats its own vomit.

[Moonman62]

If the whole thing is a fraud it’s going to be one of the greatest in modern times.

At least Mark Gibbs has covered himself for the inevitable. What else can we expect when the object of his affection is an ex-con with at least one fake degree?

[DManA]

I was looking forward to October 2011 to be the start of the year of cold fusion.

But then for the 25th consecutive year [This Year + 20] will be the year of hot fusion.

[Kevmo]

This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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[Kevmo]

This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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[Mr. K]

wow that’s great~!

Can we see it working? I didn’t think so.

[DrDavid]

But then for the 25th 35^th consecutive year [This Year + 20] will be the year of hot fusion.

Hot fusion has been 20 years out since the mid '70's....

[The Duke]

If the whole thing is a fraud it’s going to be one of the greatest in modern times.

It would still pale in comparison to the great global warming swindle.

(Ever wonder why, if the ice caps are melting catastrophically, why there isn't water pooling in the lobbies of beach-side hotels that have been in Florida for decades?)

[Moonman62]

Plus with hot fusion there are known rates of reaction with very predictable and consistent results. Cold fusion only produces anomalous and non-existent results.

[Johnny B.]

Reasons to doubt Rossi

• Still no independent confirmation that the E-Cat does anything useful from any known, credible company, university or other organization.
• Still no independent confirmation that Rossi has any customers.
• In spite of Rossi's claims to have sold his house to pay for it, and in spite of the millions of dollars in alleged sales of his E-Cats, Rossi has still not paid anything to the University of Bologna for testing as he had promised. (LINK)
• No one has found a single record indicating that Rossi's "secret NATO Colonel" really exists.
• Every public demo of the E-Cat was tightly controlled by Rossi, and they all had significant flaws that prevented an honest and full evaluation of his claims.
• NASA investigated Rossi's E-Cat, and determined that Rossi had failed to prove his claim of producing excess energy. (LINK)
• In spite of a coordinated attempt to claim an association with the University of Bologna, there was no such association. (Italian, English)
• The only bit of physical evidence, the "samples" of his "secret" Nickle-based fuel, contradict everything Rossi and his associates have claimed about the process they claim to be occurring in the E-Cat. (LINK, LINK, LINK and LINK)
• NEW: LENR/Cold Fusion researcher, Sven Kullander, promised to have a "detailed isotopic analysis" of the "fuel" and "ash" supposedly transmuted in Rossi's gadget by Christmas. We're still waiting. (LINK)
• Rossi's "Journal of Nuclear Physics" is nothing more than a blog, stealing the name of a now-defunct legitimate journal.
• Rossi has partnered up with a man (Sterling D. Allan) who has a long history of supporting energy scams. (Too many links to include: just Google "Sterling Allan scam")
• Rossi's European partner supposedly is selling a "genuine" perpetual motion machine. (LINK)
• Rossi's company and AmpEnergo, the company that supposedly bought the American distribution rights for his E-Cat, have been operating out of the same rental office for the last several years, making it unclear that they are really separate companies at all. (LINK)

And, the biggest reason to doubt Rossi:

• Rossi has a extensive history of racketeering and fraud in Italy. (LINK) (NEW: Documentary about Rossi and his E-Cat HERE. The relevant part about his earlier criminal activities start at 12:00)

[Vaquero]

Cool...cold fusion, just like the sun, the stars.....oh wait...Hot Fusion? lots of heat and pressure?? is that right?

Oh...

....never mind.

[darth]

Since I not aware of any LENR company in which I can invest I have come up with another way to make money.

I understand that you are ABSOLUTELY convinced that Rossi is a scam. If that is true, would you consider a private wager with me? How about $100? We need a time limit to discover is Rossi is a scam or not. How about 5 years from today?

BTW, from your screen name, were you involved with Apollo?

I hope you take my offer in good humor. I am not making fun of your opinion. It is entirely possible that you are right. My interest in LENR comes from years of visiting DOE and USAF labs where “cold fusion” experiments were quietly being pursued by some damn good scientists.

Some of those scientists told me that they just did not understand why they got inconsistent results. IMHO, this is because there is a lot more to learn in the world of physics.