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Posted on 01/14/2012 4:53:20 AM PST by goodwithagun

Today I want to write about something that has bothered me for the better part of a decade. I’ve carved out no fewer than a dozen drafts of this post, all strangely unalike, all ultimately failing to accomplish the job I’ve set out to do. Truth is, I’ve been trying to write it off and on for more than a year now, and the right words have been seemingly impossible to come by.

In the end, and in order to post it, I guess I had to care more about the message than I do about potential backlash. I’m not being facetious when I say that I hope I can get this message across without offending… well… everybody.

What I really hope is that this post will spark and encourage poignant and worthwhile discussion that will lead to some poignant and worthwhile changes in the lives of at least a few people who are hurting.

That being said, I believe some strong words need to be said today.

“God hates fags.” We’ve all seen the signs being waved high in the air by members of the Westboro Baptist church. On TV. In real life. It’s hard not to take notice.

Over the years, I’ve watched seemingly never-ending disgustingness and hatred spill across the media airwaves from those who belong to the organization. For those who don’t know much about that “church,” they have made a seedy name for themselves by doing drastic things like picketing beneath atrocious signs and hosting flagrant anti-gay protests at military funerals.

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A Facebook friend posted a link to this blog. I really don't know where to begin with all of the "facts" that this writer thinks he is presenting. I pray for our future.
1 posted on 01/14/2012 4:53:30 AM PST by goodwithagun
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To: goodwithagun

One of my favorite truths

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the Day of Judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

We love because he first loved us. Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

Much, Much wisdom in these words from 1 John


2 posted on 01/14/2012 4:58:40 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

If only people could see that their fear, anger, and hatred casts out love. Like doubt, it becomes the anchor that lowers us as it did Peter when he walked on the water.

PS. Guilt does the same thing!


3 posted on 01/14/2012 5:02:53 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: goodwithagun

Is the full essay posted on your blog page?


4 posted on 01/14/2012 5:10:42 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: tired&retired

The “God loves everyone” crowd always conveniently leave out the “God hates sin” part of the Bible. Those who want to create a religion which speaks only of God’s love without any requirement to obey God (which is where most of the old denominations have gone), are welcome to do so. But please don’t call it Christianity.


5 posted on 01/14/2012 5:11:24 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: goodwithagun

It doesn’t matter what I am. You’re gay, and that’s the problem.


6 posted on 01/14/2012 5:12:04 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (eat more possum.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Love the sinner. Hate the sin. Also hate blog pimps.


7 posted on 01/14/2012 5:14:10 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (The day liberals grow up is the day tyranny ends.)
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To: tired&retired
If only people could see that their fear, anger, and hatred casts out love.

As sophistry goes, this is in a class all by itself.

8 posted on 01/14/2012 5:15:22 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (eat more possum.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Love the sinner. Hate the sin. Also hate blog pimps

lol. It is written.

9 posted on 01/14/2012 5:17:51 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (eat more possum.)
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To: littleharbour

what did Jesus ever say about gays ? just wondering


10 posted on 01/14/2012 5:20:49 AM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative (u)
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To: goodwithagun

The author takes a lot of liberties with Christians, and basically lumps us all in with the Westboro baptist crowd. Frankly, I don’t care if anyone is gay - that is their choice.
I’m just sick and tired of having their lifestyle stuffed in my face, 24/7.

Guess that makes me “intolerant”.


11 posted on 01/14/2012 5:22:54 AM PST by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: goodwithagun; All

I think “Jacob” is full of sh*t and want to throw pity party for himself with plenty of whine.


12 posted on 01/14/2012 5:28:47 AM PST by j.argese (Newt ... the Nixon of our time ...)
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To: mkleesma

Homosexuality is a disease/disorder in the same way that alcoholism and drug addition are. Yet do we go around praising the drug addict in the same way the media wants us to glorify the homosexual lifestyle? I will not condemn an individual for the way he enjoys sex but I will condemn the State for the way they are pushing this degeneracy on our society.


13 posted on 01/14/2012 5:41:12 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

A concise explanation can be found here.

http://thebible.net/modules.php?name=Read&itemid=81&cat=9

Christianity is not only the four gospels of the New Testament, with no reference to the Old Testament books which came before or the Epistles which came after. You can’t understand the teachings of Jesus without understanding where he came from and the Faith he created. Read the entire Bible and you won’t have to ask that question.


14 posted on 01/14/2012 5:41:29 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: goodwithagun
That was the most insipid thing I've read in months.

What's going on when every week there's a juvenile attack on religion which is usually; "oh sure Christ is good, but these "christians", huh, what a bunch of hypocrits"

And everybody is a bigot, except our humblw author, who has "studied" the great religions and yet, still can't grasp a single element of any of them except "love evrybody"

What is this? The 60s?

Goodness me, if this is what passers for enlightenment we are in deep, deep sh!t.

15 posted on 01/14/2012 5:42:04 AM PST by Pietro
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To: goodwithagun
That was the most insipid thing I've read in months.

What's going on when every week there's a juvenile attack on religion which is usually; "oh sure Christ is good, but these "christians", huh, what a bunch of hypocrits"

And everybody is a bigot, except our humblw author, who has "studied" the great religions and yet, still can't grasp a single element of any of them except "love evrybody"

What is this? The 60s?

Goodness me, if this is what passers for enlightenment we are in deep, deep sh!t.

16 posted on 01/14/2012 5:42:12 AM PST by Pietro
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To: goodwithagun

I didn’t choose this. I didn’t want this. And I’m so tired of people hating me for it.

Yes. Yes you did chose it or at the very least you choose not to do anything about it.


17 posted on 01/14/2012 5:43:45 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

“what did Jesus ever say about gays ? just wondering”

As part of the Trinity, He rained fire on their cities.


18 posted on 01/14/2012 5:45:33 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: goodwithagun

Good post. But I suspect that the supposed loving quotes from Islam were made up out of thin air. I’ve been studying Islam for 10 years and don’t think there is anything like that in the Quran or hadiths. In the meantime, we have perhaps the best documented article about homosexuality on the web:http:

//www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/gay-rights.


19 posted on 01/14/2012 5:45:33 AM PST by grumpa
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To: SECURE AMERICA

That “I didn’t choose this” sounds like a serial killer at sentencing.


20 posted on 01/14/2012 5:47:46 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: goodwithagun
As Christians, we are to love the sinner, since we are all sinners, but not to condone or approve of the sin. In this case, how could we accept a sinful lifestyle that is anti-social, unhealthy, self-destructive and against God's Law, leading to everlasting punishment? That would not be loving the sinner.

God certainly is loving. He is also just.

21 posted on 01/14/2012 5:48:36 AM PST by Dr. Thorne (Fall on your knees before Christ, your only salvation!)
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To: littleharbour

read


22 posted on 01/14/2012 5:48:57 AM PST by sauropod (OCCUPY THE WHITE HOUSE! Vote Republican!)
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To: goodwithagun

That story is a boatload of crap.

We all have friends or family that are gay, we don’t drop them, most of us don’t pay that much attention to them except when they get in our face with their sickness.

What we do not like is having them push their sick agenda in schools , in parades, and in wanting to call their sick sex practices with a partner, a marriage.


23 posted on 01/14/2012 5:53:50 AM PST by Venturer
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To: goodwithagun

What did science ever say about “It wasn’t my choice?” BTW, I’ve just been wondering , how can “B” be if it isn’t a choice? If it isn’t a choice , how long until LGBPT?


24 posted on 01/14/2012 5:54:14 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: goodwithagun

I don’t hate gays, nor do I hate those engaged in adultery, those filled with envy who covet the property of their neighbors, or others who in some way fall short of following God’s Word. I fall short, as infrequently as possible but still on occasion, so I understand both temptation and failure. I have clear evidence that God does love gays and adulterers and wants them to become worthy of heaven, as he wants all of us to become worthy. I also have clear and convincing evidence that God wants those people who consciously choose to violate the guidance He has provided to repent: place their duty to God above their lesser drives, and suppress or resist those aspects of their desires. Whether someone is attracted to the same sex (or to someone of the opposite sex other than their spouse) by choice or because of their inborn wiring is not important. Whether someone chooses to act on that attraction, knowing what the Bible says, is central to who they are in their relationship with God.

I see no hate in that condemnation of a person’s choices and actions. Rather, I see failing to uphold the Word of God as the ultimate guide to life as one of most hateful things one can do, because abandoning the Bible would encourage more people to go astray.I will not watch or allow my kids to watch a TV show with gay characters presented in a positive light, one that celebrates adultery, or one that celebrates any other violation of God’s Word. Again, that is not hate for gays or for those who cheat, just good parenting.


25 posted on 01/14/2012 6:02:01 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: mkleesma
"I’m just sick and tired of having their lifestyle stuffed in my face, 24/7."

That's how I feel too, but it goes beyond that. Not only are we bombarded, show anything but open acceptance and WE are the problem. Well I'm all done with the PC game. "Homophobe" means no more than "racist" to me.

26 posted on 01/14/2012 6:04:10 AM PST by Mich Patriot (I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. Ronald Reagan)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Matthew 19:4-6

4And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.


27 posted on 01/14/2012 6:08:58 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Pollster1

Your post is quite good. The problem, as I see it, is that we have allowed the emphasis and abuse of SEX to become endemic in our society....precisely because we did not understand how GOOD and PROTECTIVE God’s commandments are. The wrong ideas of sex began slowly to warm up (think of the frog sitting in a pan of cooking water....tepid at the beginning) in our printed media and then via TV and radio (with advertising)...until it has become a raging fire seen almost everywhere. That fire is now spreading pornography and perversion across the planet. Love became defined as sex and the notion of divorce mushroomed as many could not get enough satisfactory sex with one partner for life. Sexual sin has run rampant and even encouraged the idea of abortion as a way to avoid the consequences of that sin...in addition to the most depraved versions of sex that we now see.

WE desperately need God’s help to reform our culture and I am CONVINCED that our economic woes are merely another part of our turning our backs on God and His ways in our society.


28 posted on 01/14/2012 6:29:49 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: goodwithagun

If you are a Christian and you love somebody, do you “accept” their homosexual behavior? Of course not. Love does not equal permissiveness.

Hebrews 10:26-27 “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.”

Deliberate and unrepentant sin such as homosexuality will lead your loved one to eternal separation from God. If you love them, reject their sin. Of course, homosexuality is not a sin against me (like theft, or murder) but a sin against the Lord. If homosexuals loved their friends and family, they would listen to, and consider their rebukes.

1 Samuel 2:25 “If a man sins against another man, God may mediate for him; but if a man sins against the LORD, who will intercede for him?” His sons, however, did not listen to their father’s rebuke, for it was the LORD’s will to put them to death


29 posted on 01/14/2012 6:31:10 AM PST by LibertyJihad
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To: Pietro; goodwithagun

Exactly. Manipulative garbage. Last I checked we’re all free to associate with whomever we like. If I don’t want to associate with homosexuals, why is that wrong?

Should the homosexual feel guilty about choosing perversion over friendship? No, of course not, it’s always the straight person’s fault.

And you want to bring Christianity into it? This clown has no clue what’s in the Bible. All love and no consequences, right?


30 posted on 01/14/2012 6:32:40 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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31 posted on 01/14/2012 6:41:15 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: goodwithagun
If someone is an unrepentant sinner, then they have a problem.
If we love them, we will point out their sin, and try to get them to repent and live a different sort of life.

It may be that someone is, at their core, homosexual. Or a glutton. Or greedy. But we are all supposed to repent of our sinful nature, to struggle against our unworthy desires, and to live -- as much as possible -- a life that is pleasing to God.

The folks wallowing in homosexual lust need intervention, as an act of Christian love.

32 posted on 01/14/2012 6:43:38 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: tired&retired

and the Christian has a duty to rightly divide the word of God—to understand the terms used in their natural sense. Too often those who call themselves Christian confuse the term “love” with our post modern sense that if we love somebody we dare not question what they do that puts them in danger of the fire to come.What man could claim to love a neighbor whose house was being consumed with fire —and love that it is the neighbor who chose to live in a house that is now burning up—but refuse to do everything possible to pull him/or her from the fire?A father loves his children-a good father will guide them in the paths of righteousness.


33 posted on 01/14/2012 6:54:38 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: goodwithagun

What sort of love would let a person go to hell without telling them the truth. People’s idea of love is a bit twisted nowadays and it does not include discipline.

Mel


34 posted on 01/14/2012 6:56:12 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: littleharbour

“conveniently leave out the “God hates sin” part of the Bible.”

You are correct... However, a better way to say it is that God Loves sin to pieces! As the perfect Love destroys sin.


35 posted on 01/14/2012 7:03:29 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: StonyBurk

I tend to give more credibility to the words of Jesus than those of Paul. The two are not always on the same side of an issue.

Let those without sin cast the first stone and live by and be judged by the law. I prefer to live by Love. That doesn’t mean that I don’t follow and obey the same law for myself. However, I follow it out of Love, not out of fear of retribution, consequences or abandonment if I violate it. Yes, I trip and stumble, especially when I see someone else’s actions harming so many such as our current president. But I’m working on it.


36 posted on 01/14/2012 7:11:12 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: goodwithagun

“God hates fangs”...’True Blood’


37 posted on 01/14/2012 7:13:40 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: tired&retired

Amen to that


38 posted on 01/14/2012 7:14:48 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: melsec

Maybe there isn’t really a hell?


39 posted on 01/14/2012 7:17:44 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: goodwithagun

Does anyone here remember when they chose to be heterosexual?...just asking


40 posted on 01/14/2012 7:18:35 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: stuartcr

“There is wishful thinking in Hell as well as on Earth.”


41 posted on 01/14/2012 7:24:44 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: the invisib1e hand

“As sophistry goes, this is in a class all by itself.”

Only misleading to those who don’t understand it. Lack of knowledge and/or understanding does not create sophistry. Or else I could say the same thing about the directions for programming the DVR!


42 posted on 01/14/2012 7:25:19 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: stuartcr

A much better question would be, “Does anyone remember when he/she began to lust?”


43 posted on 01/14/2012 7:27:54 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: goodwithagun

After reading these posts I guess I’m intolerant and a bigot. If you want to be gay then STFU.


44 posted on 01/14/2012 7:34:25 AM PST by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: goodwithagun
So this overwrought emotional drivel was written by "Single Dad"? Two thoughts:

1) Bit surprised he's a dad.

2) Not surprised he's single.

45 posted on 01/14/2012 7:37:40 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: tired&retired

I am not too sure of this, but doesn’t scripture also say to shun the public sinner if he does not repent?


46 posted on 01/14/2012 7:45:23 AM PST by goat granny
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To: mkleesma

“I’m just sick and tired of having their lifestyle stuffed in my face, 24/7.

Guess that makes me “intolerant”.”

Same here. I do a fair amount of work with gays and lesbians. What I have often found is that they carry a lot of inner guilt for the contradiction between their lifestyle and and what they learned as a child. Thus they try to justify their behavior by self measuring their ability to convince others that their lifestyle is acceptable. That’s why they become activists. A person who is comfortable with themselves has no need to convince others that they are correct.

I had one case where a young woman attended catholic school K-12 and had a very controlling mother. So controlling that the daughter could never form a self identity and was locked in a strong controlling dependency relationship. When the daughter attended the college of her mother’s choice and her mother’s selection of major, she was finally away from her mother’s strong control.

She had a lesbian affair, went home and told her mother she was a lesbian. The mother screamed, “Then you are no daughter of mine!” The daughter had instantaneously achieved the separation from her mother she had been trying to obtain since age 12.

The daughter, having no sense of self identity was very weak and thus needed a peer group in order to find her identity. There are few peer groups as strong and self validating as the gay and lesbian communities. They congratulated her on coming out and being one of them. She became a lesbian activist, i.e. if she could convince others it was ok, then she could believe it too.

Ten years later, when she came to me she was emotionally empty, drained and suicidal. (And still fighting the battle with her mother) By pointing out her inner conflict and why she was motivated in the behavior pattern she chose, it empowered her to find who she really was. I did not judge her, but I pointed out that she was judging herself. I did not have to condemn her behavior, she was already beating herself up pretty bad. I have found the same thing in people who cheat on their spouses. Guilt can be far more torture than a penetrating knife.


47 posted on 01/14/2012 7:46:37 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

From the book of Matthew:

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Now, from Leviticus (that’s the law He was referring to.)
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Jesus did not invalidate the law, as He pointed out. God ordained at the beginning that we were to be male and female. Anything else is outside God’s law and therefore, wrong. And those who go outside of that, well:

From Matthew:
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


48 posted on 01/14/2012 7:54:51 AM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: kearnyirish2

“That “I didn’t choose this” sounds like a serial killer at sentencing.”

The choice to enter a same sex relationship is totally based upon what is intellectually acceptable. Attraction is toward the masculine or feminine aspect of consciousness in a person. Even gay relationships have this balance. If a gay lifestyle is not intellectually acceptable, a feminine man will just look for a relationship with a woman who wears the pants. The reverse is also true for a masculine woman. This is easy to prove.

Often a straight male can not deal with the stimulation experienced by the energy of a feminine man,as it is intellectually unacceptable to them. This is what creates the inner turmoil often associated with gay bashing.
I’m not judging. These statements are the result of a lot of research working with gays and straight over the past twenty years.


49 posted on 01/14/2012 7:58:38 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Pollster1

Thank you for such a great post.


50 posted on 01/14/2012 8:01:42 AM PST by tired&retired
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