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Global Cooling Coming? Archibald uses solar and surface data to predict 4.9C fall (!)
JoNova ^ | January 26th, 2012 | Joanne

Posted on 01/27/2012 12:37:31 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Global Cooling Coming? Archibald uses solar and surface data to predict 4.9°C fall (!)

David Archibald, polymath, makes a bold prediction that temperatures are about to dive sharply (in the decadal sense). He took the  forgotten correlation that as solar cycles lengthen and weaken, the world gets cooler. He refined it into a predictive tool, tested it and published in 2007. His paper has been expanded on recently by Prof Solheim in Norway, who predicts a 1.5°C drop in Central Norway over the next ten years.

Our knowledge of they solar dynamo is improving, and David adds the predicted solar activity ’til 2040 to the analysis. Normal solar cycles are 11 years long, but the current one (cycle 24) is shaping up to be 17 years (unusually long), and using historical data from the US, David predicts  a 2.1°C decline over Solar Cycle 24 followed by a further 2.8°C over Solar Cycle 25. That adds up to a whopping 4.9°C fall in temperate latitudes over the next 20 years. We can only hope he’s wrong. As David says ” The center of the Corn Belt, now in Iowa, will move south to Kansas.”

He also predicts continuing drought in Africa for another 14 years, with droughts likely in South America too.

If he’s right, it’s awful and excellent at the same time. Cold hurts, but wouldn’t it be something if we understood our climate well enough to plan ahead?

See his post below for all the details…

-  Jo


(Excerpt) Read more at joannenova.com.au ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; climatechange; globalcooling; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax

1 posted on 01/27/2012 12:37:36 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: TigerLikesRooster; landsbaum; Signalman; NormsRevenge; steelyourfaith; Lancey Howard; ...

fyi


2 posted on 01/27/2012 12:39:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Heresy! Witch! Burn him!


3 posted on 01/27/2012 12:42:52 PM PST by glock rocks (I didn't leave the Republican party, it left me.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So, if I have this right (and I usually don’t) a day that would be 85 degrees would now be 77? WHERE DO I SIGN UP FOR THAT!!!


4 posted on 01/27/2012 12:44:40 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Um

Holy crap?


5 posted on 01/27/2012 12:45:01 PM PST by Lazamataz (Norm Lenhart knows nothing about reloading.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Bad news for the resurgent wine industry in northern Europe and the UK.


6 posted on 01/27/2012 12:48:56 PM PST by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What did he do go back to the seventies Time pieces?


7 posted on 01/27/2012 12:50:43 PM PST by jessduntno ("Newt Gingrich was part of the Reagan Revolution's Murderers' Row." - Jeffrey Lord, Reagan Admin.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Will our temperatures in North America decline in Celsius or Fahrenheit?
I don’t want to switch systems...


8 posted on 01/27/2012 12:57:13 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Proud RINOmney Denialist since 2007!)
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To: zot; Interesting Times

cooler times comeing, break out the insulated underwear.


9 posted on 01/27/2012 1:00:36 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: glock rocks; jessduntno; All
Some correlations...from Watts Up With That?:

What in the world is going on with global temperatures?

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Posted on by

Multiple indicators show global temperatures headed down this month, and fast.

by Joe D’Aleo, CCM, AMS Fellow

As shown above (see the datapoint in the square box), the UAH AMSU daily temperatures are the coldest for the globe at 600mb of all the years tracked since 2002 (warmest 2010, previously coldest 2009).

The new Dr. Ryan Maue reanalysis based global temperature anomalies has declined dramatically this month – almost a full degree Celsius!

Forecasts for temperature 8 days in advance are appended to the reanalysis values.

Is this a reflection of the stratospheric warming pushing the cold to middle latitudes?

The cross section suggests that initial warm burst has ended. Often they repeat as the cold reloads and dumps again.

10 posted on 01/27/2012 1:01:20 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: MeganC
Bad news for the resurgent wine industry in northern Europe and the UK.

Not as bad as the coming imposition of Sharia Law.

11 posted on 01/27/2012 1:07:48 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: jessduntno; All
His article on WUWT:

First Estimate of Solar Cycle 25 Amplitude – may be the smallest in over 300 years

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Posted on by

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/latest_256_45001.jpg?w=640

Guest post by David Archibald

Predicting the amplitude of Solar Cycle 24 was a big business. Jan Janssens provides the most complete table of Solar Cycle 24 predictions at: http://users.telenet.be/j.janssens/SC24.html

Prediction activity for Solar Cycle 24 seemed to have peaked in 2007. In year before, Dr David Hathaway of NASA made the first general estimate of Solar Cycle 25 amplitude:

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/10may_longrange/

Based on the slowing of the Sun’s “Great Conveyor Belt”, he predicted that

“The slowdown we see now means that Solar Cycle 25, peaking around the year 2022, could be one of the weakest in centuries.” He is very likely to have got the year wrong in that Solar Cycle 25 is unlikely to start until 2025.

In this paper: http://www.probeinternational.org/Livingston-penn-2010.pdf,

Livingston and Penn provided the first hard estimate of Solar Cycle 25 amplitude based on a physical model. That estimate is 7, which would make it the smallest solar cycle for over 300 years.

This is figure 2 from their paper:

image

Livingston and Penn have been tracking the decline in sunspot magnetic field, predicting that sunspots will disappear when the umbral magnetic field strength falls below 1,500 gauss, as per this figure from their 2010 paper:

image

Dr Svalgaard has updated of the progression of that decline on his research page at:

http://www.leif.org/research/Livingston%20and%20Penn.png

With data updated to year end 2011, the line of best fit on Dr Svalgaard’s figure of Umbral Magnetic Field now intersects the 1,500 guass sunspot cutoff in 2030:

image

Using the Livingston and Penn Solar Cycle 25 amplitude estimate, this is what the solar cycle record is projected to look like:

image

And, yes, that means the end of the Modern Warm Period.

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Further reading:

Sun Headed Into Hibernation, Solar Studies Predict -Sunspots may disappear altogether in next cycle.

NASA Long Range Solar Forecast – Solar Cycle 25 peaking around 2022 could be one of the weakest in centuries.

12 posted on 01/27/2012 1:08:00 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: glock rocks

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13 posted on 01/27/2012 1:09:46 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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14 posted on 01/27/2012 1:11:06 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The next ice age cometh, sooner than expected!


15 posted on 01/27/2012 1:13:28 PM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed
Alaska gets it first.....from WUWT:

Alaska On The Rocks

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Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

From the “weather is not climate” department, the sea ice is in early and thick in Alaska. It makes me shiver just to look at the picture. They had to use an icebreaker to get fuel to Nome.

Figure 1. The Bering Sea region in Alaska. Anchorage is at the upper right. The Aleutian peninsula and chain runs down to the lower left. Ice covers all of Bristol Bay, and extends well out from the shore to the west. Photo Source

I fished commercially up there, in the Bering Sea. I’ve lived in a container in the Peter Pan Cannery boatyard in Dillingham, and gill netted for the noble salmon in Bristol Bay, drunk too much and worked it off laughing in a blazing hot steam bath with some Yupik guys trying to roast me out the door by cranking up the heat. I’ve made great money in driving sleet arguing with the herring regarding the eventual fate of their roe in Togiak, and seen the walrus hauled ashore in their thousands on Round Island. Those fisheries kill a man or two a year, plus the usual crushed hands and feet and the like. But I haven’t fished the January Bering Sea crab fishery, the one made famous as “The Deadliest Catch”. Figure 1 shows why I don’t do that.

The Bering Sea ice this year is in early, and it’s thick. Not only that, it’s moving south fast. The crab fleet has some $8 million dollars of gear in the water, and the ice is moving south at twenty miles an hour. Usually ice comes in later and thinner, and moves south at three miles an hour. Boats are tied up to the Dutch Harbor docks. At St. Paul Island, out of the photo to the left, the crab boats usually sell their loads to the processor boats. It is also totally iced in. Millions of dollars have already been sunk into moving the crab boats and the processor boats and the crab pots to Dutch. If this cold continues, the season will likely be a total bust.

My point in this post? Awe, mostly, at the damaging power of cold. As a seaman, cold holds many more terrors than heat. When enough ice builds up on a boat’s superstructure, it rolls over and men die. The sun can’t do that. The Titanic wasn’t sunk by a heat wave.

The thing about ice? You can’t do a dang thing about it. You can’t blow up a glacier, or an ice sheet like you see in the Bering Sea above. You can’t melt it. The biggest, most powerful icebreaker can’t break through more than a few feet of it. When the ice moves in, the game is over.

Now me, I’m a tropical boy. My feeling is that well-behaved ice sits peacefully in my margarita glass, making those lovely cold drips run down the outside, and giving me a brain freeze when I hold the glass to my forehead.

But when ice jumps out of my glass and starts running all around painting the landscape white and solidifying the ocean and falling on my head and freezing my … begonias, well, at that point the fun’s over. I call that “water behaving badly”.

And if you want to worry about a climate related occurrence, I certainly wouldn’t worry about the dread Thermageddon™, the long-foretold and ever-receding premature heat-death of civilization.

I’d worry about water behaving badly …

Best of the cold to my friends in Alaska, stay safe on the ocean, and my regards to all,

w.

16 posted on 01/27/2012 1:21:54 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. We will have to burn more fossil fuels to offset global cooling.


17 posted on 01/27/2012 2:04:01 PM PST by zot
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; SolitaryMan; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; grey_whiskers; ApplegateRanch; ...
Thanx for the ping Ernest_at_the_Beach !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

18 posted on 01/27/2012 2:30:07 PM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I love global warming ,,,, today in Baltimore temps climed near 60* . I would love to be able to sell my snowblower to some spotted owl , snail darter , polar bear , tree huggin wimp in Los Angeles .


19 posted on 01/27/2012 2:36:00 PM PST by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“Will our temperatures in North America decline in Celsius or Fahrenheit?”

Kelvin. It’s absolute!


20 posted on 01/27/2012 2:45:58 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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21 posted on 01/27/2012 3:07:34 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I was actually hoping for Global Warming. I just didn’t like the impoverishing-the-Western-economies-to-pretend-to-stop-it part.


22 posted on 01/27/2012 4:25:42 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: South Hawthorne
"So, if I have this right (and I usually don’t) a day that would be 85 degrees would now be 77? WHERE DO I SIGN UP FOR THAT!!!

Don't bother to sign up. Just move up here. Of course, it's supposed to be around -20 F tonight and tomorrow night, but that shouldn't be a problem. Summers are usually in the 70's.

23 posted on 01/27/2012 4:45:18 PM PST by redhead (, , , comedian)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
See my work at nationalforestlawblog.com Sun Hotz, license plate. The guy is a smart and confirms my work
24 posted on 01/27/2012 7:56:41 PM PST by Paul Pierett (Paul Pierett)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
See my work at nationalforestlawblog.com Sun Hotz, license plate. The guy is a smart and confirms my work
25 posted on 01/27/2012 7:56:47 PM PST by Paul Pierett (Paul Pierett)
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To: Paul Pierett
Got sidetracked when I saw the Newsweek cover and posted this thread...:

New Emails Reveal Fraud of Climate Science ( This is from NEWSWEEK...)

The article contains Sen Boxer's propaganda that all the Climate Scientist that are skeptics are well funded by Companies like Exxon Mobile...

26 posted on 01/27/2012 10:28:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; ...

Thanks Thanks Ernest.




27 posted on 01/28/2012 8:36:22 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

As much as I like seeing the global warmist scam artist’s called out and ridiculed, the project of a vast cooling globally are obviously not good news for anyone.


28 posted on 01/28/2012 8:41:51 AM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: redhead
Just move up here

Y'know, red, if I had it all to do over again, Alaska would probably have been an outstanding choice.

I've long said, people are made out of meat, and meat should be kept refrigerated. 80 degrees plus, that's just not healthy.

29 posted on 01/28/2012 3:23:37 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Florida, here I come. Any nice communities near Tampa that are on or near the water and affordable?


30 posted on 01/28/2012 3:59:53 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; blam; no-to-illegals; All

The article title speaks of a 4.7 degree C drop in temperature in the next decades. That is close to 7 degrees F. The drop during the Maunder Minimum, “Little Ice Age” was nowhere near that severe. Here is a world map showing temperatures during the MM. You will see that the cold areas of North America and Europe were .7 degrees C and perhaps slightly more. This is around 1.5 degrees F.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=7122

Don’t believe this alarmist fertilizer. The only way we are going to have that huge a drop is with a major volcano like Tambora or Toba, or a giant meteor strike.


31 posted on 01/28/2012 5:26:52 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All

I guess Alaska is getting the cold, because here in the Middle Atlantic states, the winter has been unusually mild.


32 posted on 01/28/2012 5:33:41 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin; South Hawthorne
"I guess Alaska is getting the cold, because here in the Middle Atlantic states, the winter has been unusually mild."

It has been what the weather service calls "Bitterly cold" for the last month or so. Supposed to be down around -20 F here in Wasilla again tonight.

People always want it to be cooler. They never stop to think that us poor guys up here where it's ALWAYS cooler would love to have a little gorbal warming. So, just say, for instance, "Well, send that global warming to Alaska, where it will be appreciated!"

33 posted on 01/28/2012 8:39:01 PM PST by redhead (, , , comedian)
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To: Paul Pierett

The good part is people are wising up. The bad part is, so many poor studies are surfacing as the answer.

I tend to believe we are in our last warm year until about 11 years from now, when the next peak is expected. We will seen some nasty weather starting with a severe tornado season this year. I observe that they come in pairs when the earth is cooling; 1970 data.

The thinning of the herd has begun and we will see unbelievable things. Cooder winters, longer winters, shorter summers, ruined crops both in the Northern and Southern Hemisphere.

Florida is already hurting for water and if tropical storms are bounced off our shores and headed to England, Europe will lose a lot of crops and farm animals.

The dream of the environmentalists will be realized as farmers posts their bodies to the fence post.


34 posted on 01/28/2012 9:28:18 PM PST by Paul Pierett (Paul Pierett)
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To: gleeaikin

Watch the trend. Things will fluctuate. But watch the trend.


35 posted on 01/28/2012 9:41:23 PM PST by Paul Pierett (Paul Pierett)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming—Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html

Mine ice age ahead?


36 posted on 01/29/2012 6:09:09 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Paul Pierett
We will seen some nasty weather starting with a severe tornado season this year.

Global cooling is a partial explanation. A more complete explanation is La Nina. It's the main thing factor the 2011 and 1974 outbreaks have in common. The forecast for this year is dicey:

The forecast rapid rise from a strong La Nina to neutral is the worst case scenario for tornadoes as it will create a very strong jet over the US during the spring.

37 posted on 01/29/2012 6:17:42 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: gleeaikin

Thanks glee’.


38 posted on 01/29/2012 9:03:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Paul Pierett; SunkenCiv; no-to-illegals; All

I have been watching the trend for close to 60 years. At age 15 my family moved from a NJ town 2 miles from the George Washington Bridge, to a semi-rural vacation community about 25 miles in the hills towards the NY/PA border. I became interested in the weather difference and started keeping a record of the daily high/low temperatures for my old WOR radio station, and temperatures I took out in the hills about 700 feet above sea level.

I discovered that the water around NY City kept the city warmer early in the winter, but cooler in the early spring. Also, not counting the water influence, it was about 10 degrees cooler out in the country. Start of a lifelong interest in natural phenomena. Actually, not the start: my father used to drive us to see hurricane damage, floods, and drought effects on reservoirs and waterfalls with accompanied lectures.


39 posted on 01/29/2012 4:01:15 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: redhead; All

I don’t know if people always want it cooler. When I was living in Iowa from 1957 to 1960, my first winter there was a solid week of 25 to 27 below night temperatures and it never got above 21 f below. My first summer there is a solid week of 105 to 107 daytime temps. and it never got below 93 at night. This was pre air conditioning. When my new husband wanted to move back to Iowa from the East Coast because he had a guaranteed job there, I told him in no uncertain terms that our marriage would not survive Iowa weather. We stayed and he finally found his life’s career and we were married 44 years.


40 posted on 01/29/2012 4:07:07 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

I spent 15 years in southern MN, and I can vouch for that. Minnesota weather is deranged. It was frequently over 100 F in the summer, and winters were bitter, dropping to -40 F and staying there for long periods. When I had the opportunity to move back to Alaska from there, I did it in a heartbeat. At least, up here, the gradients aren’t so steep. Alaska is so big that we have several climate zones, so we can more or less make a choice. Rainy and cool? Panhandle or Aleutians. Hot in the summer, cold in the winter? Fairbanks, hands down. The south coast is a nice place, cold snaps in the winter, but mostly tolerable, with warm sunny summers as a rule. (But, I could still like a little bit more “warm” in the summer... :o) )


41 posted on 01/30/2012 10:13:53 AM PST by redhead (, , , comedian)
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