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How do I (we) counteract the success of this birth control wedge issue? (vanity)
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Posted on 02/18/2012 8:42:00 AM PST by occam's chainsaw

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To: occam's chainsaw

First, let me say that I’m one of the ladies in the Catholic Church who comes and gives the talk about Natural Family Planning to RCIA classes and to anyone else who shows an interest. I am a firm believer and practitioner of what I believe. So, that is where I am coming from.

That said, what we “should” do is drop the subject from every angle EXCEPT the one involving the taxpayer and religion.

No more jokes about aspirin from rich men. No more tone-deaf panels of mostly-men.

If you want to talk about how this is a tax payers issue or a religious issue, fine. Everyone is entitled to do that and everyone should.

What we should stop doing: We don’t have to make fun of the issue, we don’t have to condemn anyone, we don’t have to make jokes. As stupid and harmless as the “jokes” and comments seem, birth control is a serious issue. Treat it as such. Off-the-cuff remarks are insensitive. Don’t make them.

We can stick to the facts, not get sucked into the morass, and stay out of the trap the media would like us to fall into.

I can tell you all day about why artificial birth control is a terrible idea, but if people don’t want to hear it, they won’t. Yelling and telling jokes does not make it better.They make it worse.

All I am left with is being able to tell you, in a few words, why I, as a taxpayer, should not pay for someone else’s decisions. Stick with that. It is simple and makes sense.

Some people want to “make points” and feel superior in the moment. Nothing will stop them from saying things that they want to pass off as “funny” or as a “joke”. I can tell you as someone who has done pro-life counseling, that it is anything but funny to the vast majority of women.

If we want to change minds about this subject, we should do so prayerfully and with a tender heart. If we want to “make a point” and feel like we’ve gotten one over, to feel morally superior while losing the war, rage on and continue on doing what we’re are doing.

It hasn’t been working, but why let failure stand in our way of feeling superior?

Too many on our side want to tell the liberals that it isn’t all about “feelings”, but cannot control their own feelings in a way that allows us to make progress.


61 posted on 02/18/2012 12:38:14 PM PST by mountainbunny (Seamus Sez: "Good dogs don't let their masters vote for Mitt!")
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To: Claud

Oh, that’s good! I’ll try that as well.

Universal firearm insurance LOL

Yeah, more ammo (whoops, pun) for our side. If the priests have to pay for your birth control, then you should have to pony up for poor people who want guns!! At least that IS an enumerated right!!!!

It’s perfect. It’s the right of every American to bear arms. But everyone buys their own. No one has it paid for out of their insurance or gets it free from the government... It makes a great argument.

62 posted on 02/18/2012 12:40:54 PM PST by Yaelle (Go Santorum!)
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To: occam's chainsaw

Calling all men:

It’s time for you to organize, in private, to turnout the male vote.

“Leave the women at home!”

63 posted on 02/18/2012 12:43:28 PM PST by donna (I want to live in a Judeo/Christian country where we know that, before God, men & women are equal.)
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To: Twotone

Brilliant point.

64 posted on 02/18/2012 12:44:03 PM PST by Yaelle (Go Santorum!)
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To: Claud
"I wanted to vote for a candidate who would force PETA to pay for my pastrami."

I like it enough to steal it...maybe tweak it a little by saying "I want PETA to pay for my KFC" or "my hunting license."

65 posted on 02/18/2012 12:48:39 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: occam's chainsaw

Of course, their uteri are under attack. They’re right! How would you react if the Government tried to force your employer to purchase a management plan that allowed your doctor to disable a major bodily organ system? What’s the function of the uterus? The uterus serves as a proper, healthy environment for the development of babies in their embryonic and fetal stages.

Abortifacient “contraceptives” work by making that environment so hostile that to the babies that they die, effectively disabling the uterus. If the government compelled every doctor to give out free pills that disabled the lung, the liver, the kidney, or any other organ, then we’d protest. For some reason, our society considers this particular disability fashionable, just as the medieval Chinese considered foot-binding fashionable for girls.

And given that the full range of procedures will be offered without cost to the patient, what then keeps unscrupulous doctors from coercing, deceiving, or duping unsuspecting women to take this disabling drug without their full knowledge, understanding of its effects, and express consent? Remember folks, doctors use numerous words that most of us don’t hear often. How many Americans outside the medical fields understand well medical terminology?

Given that Big Government soon will control effectively the alleged health insurance market (which won’t provide much in the way of health or insurance), what more will keep federal bureaucrats with a hideous eugenic agenda from quietly manipulating the system to manage your usage of your own uterus to procreate children? The Government does that in the People’s Republic of China.

I know that some doctors already nudge women into disabling their own uteri. This activity will become far more commonplace in the coming years.

66 posted on 02/18/2012 1:12:35 PM PST by dufekin (Stop Obama and the Democrats from making war against the Catholic Church)
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To: Yaelle

Thank you. I seem to always end up posting just as a thread dies, & then no one notices my brilliance. ;-)

67 posted on 02/18/2012 2:05:04 PM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Twotone

That was brilliant, thanks for posting.

68 posted on 02/18/2012 5:27:30 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Jim Noble
Obama was leading this demographic 54-37 in November. He is now leading 65-30.

So you're saying the women, en bloc, are that foolish.

There's no way those numbers will materialize. But if they do, the People will deserve what they get in re-electing 0bama.

And we men will be justified in blaming the women of this country, as a supermajority, for the debacle...

69 posted on 02/18/2012 10:19:08 PM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: dangerdoc

Walmart has several generic bcp’s for $9 a month.

70 posted on 02/18/2012 11:56:00 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Reddy

That is good news.

When my wife was suffering from migraines a few years ago, they thought that part of it was hormonal and recommended a beta blocker and BCPs.

The beta blocker was $4 per month or $10 for 90 days without insurance. The BCPs were $60 per month with no generic equivalent and our insurance would not cover it even though it was prescribed for a medical condition.

I’ll have to go to the WalMart site and see what they have added.

71 posted on 02/19/2012 5:27:07 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: apillar

Correct. Or, as I sometimes say “ My actual constitutional rights trump your make-believe rights”.

72 posted on 02/19/2012 6:57:24 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: mountainbunny
That said, what we “should” do is drop the subject from every angle EXCEPT the one involving the taxpayer and religion.

Outstanding post from beginning to end. You should really post this on every thread dealing with this issue.

73 posted on 02/22/2012 10:06:39 AM PST by Drew68
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