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Rolling Stones vs. Dean Martin: 1964
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | FRIDAY, 16 MARCH 2012 | RICH KIENZLE

Posted on 03/30/2012 9:02:11 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Today the Rolling Stones are still Rock and Roll and pop culture icons, even as they battle over when (if ever) to do a 50th Anniversary Tour, a situation that may be easing now that Keith Richards apologized to Mick Jagger over remarks Richard made about his bandmate and collaborated in his best-selling 2010 autobiography. Scott Mervis posted a very astute Pop Noise blog entry regarding Bruce Springsteen's recollections of the legendary TAMI Show movie, James Brown's explosive appearance in that film and the Rolling Stones' unenviable task of following the Godfather of Soul.

It's also worth noting that nearly 50 years later, it's easy to forget how revolutionary the Stones were in, say, 1964. But here's an example that just about anyone can relate to. It was still the Mad Men era in those days, Beatle haircuts got kids thrown out of school and music that could (and is) played in churches nowadays was considered subversive and sick.

Their music, both the hardcore blues aspects, and the blues-based rock, was too authentically black-sounding for white picket fence, white bread Mainstream America. Hell, parents were only beginning to cope with the less threatening Beatles.

Enter the Stones, appearing on ABC's Ed Sullivan-like Saturday night variety show The Hollywood Palace on June 3, 1964. The show had guest hosts and this week's was Dean Martin, then in his prime and creating the legend that's honored today with Dino and imitators around the country, mostly as part of Rat Pack shows.

The Palace, taped in an LA theater, was produced by old-school showbiz types who had little truck with this whole youth movement, prefering instead to present the old farts of showbiz (Bing Crosby, Bob Hope, etc.) and the young farts who followed in their footsteps. The Stones, no less controversial in

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To: Lazlo in PA
"Blow it out your ass".

We thank you for the elegantly impressive (or impressively elegant, if you prefer) display of your high intelligence. No better way to introduce oneself to the world!

21 posted on 03/30/2012 9:52:43 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!
It's true that the Rolling Stones were essentially a different group post Nanker Phelge. I was pissed off for years after Jones died with some of the art they tried to pass off as rock.

But no way can I not recognize their greatness. The group that composed and performed (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction must forevermore be respected. Not to mention what they did to Decca was pretty cool.


22 posted on 03/30/2012 9:53:54 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Wow, that is a great song!!


23 posted on 03/30/2012 9:55:44 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: I see my hands

Full agreement from me.

(And I’m still hoping that they can get back in the studio one last time with Bill, Bobby Keys and some boogie woogie keyboard player, meaning someone other than their recent musical director.)


24 posted on 03/30/2012 9:58:37 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!; nickcarraway; I see my hands; deweyfrank
This is what I have blowing in the bar at this moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXOmbq3r9vE

25 posted on 03/30/2012 10:02:54 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Revolting cat!; nickcarraway; I see my hands; deweyfrank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXOmbq3r9vE

Sorry


26 posted on 03/30/2012 10:04:21 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Major Matt Mason

Nevertheless, to finish the thought, as an old rock’n’roller friend dating back to Elvis and Jerry Lee, said to me a while back: “We won, and now what?” He meant of course that rock and roll and the youth culture had won the cultural war that started in the 1950s, and the results, as we all, including him, know, ain’t pretty.


27 posted on 03/30/2012 10:04:32 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: nickcarraway

“Their music, both the hardcore blues aspects, and the blues-based rock, was too authentically black-sounding for white picket fence, white bread Mainstream America.”

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Shut.

Up.


28 posted on 03/30/2012 10:06:05 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: nickcarraway

While I grew up with the Stones I much prefer Deano these days. His voice was like liquid silk.

Mel


29 posted on 03/30/2012 10:07:50 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Kool. John Barry, who started out in England a couple of years before the Stones.


30 posted on 03/30/2012 10:08:49 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Lazlo in PA
HaHaHa..The bars down here in Dewey aren't that sophisticated. But, if you mosey on over to Rehoboth you might hear that crap. Not saying there's anything wrong with Rehoboth people.
31 posted on 03/30/2012 10:09:40 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: I see my hands

Their second significant departure was the passing of Ian Stewart, and the mark of a change is there after it happened.


32 posted on 03/30/2012 10:11:28 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: deweyfrank

33 posted on 03/30/2012 10:14:07 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

“Best Rolling Stones performance can be see on YouTube by searching Rolling Stones gimme shelter Amsterdam 95.”

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That’s a nice version; a truly spectacular female lead. A little too much on the vocal pyrotechnics for my taste, it takes away from the essential grit and raw power of that magnificent Stones masterpiece.

Among perhaps the most consistently excellent catalog in rock history, Gimme Shelter is the greatest of the Rolling Stones songs.


34 posted on 03/30/2012 10:16:01 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: JoeProBono

Now, those were the days.


35 posted on 03/30/2012 10:17:15 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: Major Matt Mason

Absolutely true. There were black radio stations and there were white radio stations. Alan Freed combined the two on his show, but the music itself didn’t start to be combined until the Rolling Stones. Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis did pretty well before that. I think someone said about Jerry Lee Lewis he had a black left hand and a white right hand on the piano.

Whereas the Beatles did covers of Chuck Berry songs, the Stones immersed themselves in all the great black American musicians and came up with their own amazing blend.


36 posted on 03/30/2012 10:18:15 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: JoeProBono

I’m guessing that’s New Jersey?


37 posted on 03/30/2012 10:20:26 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: gunsequalfreedom
there aren't many cohesive videos of that tune, but that's a goody.

the tune itself, it seems (and by this I guess I mean the studio release) is continually in my top 5 greatest ever songs.

A timely one, these days, too.

38 posted on 03/30/2012 10:20:56 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: firebrand

The Beatles did covers of Chuck Berry, the Stones took ownership (listen to Down the Road Apiece, while not Berry’s tune, he did a cover, while the Stones recorded the best version of all.)


39 posted on 03/30/2012 10:22:12 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

In my opinion, Chuck Berry started it all and he got screwed.


40 posted on 03/30/2012 10:24:50 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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