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A Second Look at the Mosin-Nagant Rifle
Survivalblog.com ^ | 5-2-12 | "Frog"

Posted on 05/02/2012 8:44:25 AM PDT by dynachrome

My rifle is a round receiver Tula, 91/30. I was lucky enough to get one with an excellent bore, bolt, and all the accessories (oiler, tools in cloth wrap, sling, bayonet and two ammo pouches), while paying only $90 in-person. $80 online is still a perfectly fair price, even after transfer and shipping -- though I would advise anyone purchasing multiple specimens, or other qualifying weapons, to consider a Curio and Relic license, if that is in your interest.

The rifle's main detriment that I've determined thus far? The sights. They're not bad -- though I'm biased, and apparently an abnormality when it comes to American shooters raised with traditional American guns, for the most part. However, the majority of my open-sight shooting since adulthood has been with an AK variant, which has very similar sights, anyway. That doesn't change what they are, though; crude, dark, and on some guns, not even adjustable to make your point-of-aim the same as point-of-impact. A $5 part fixes this, and I suspect that the better quality sample you acquire, the less likely the phenomenon is. If you're new to Russian sights, try to remember that it's something you get used to. There's nothing directly 'wrong' with them; they're not always as precise, and they're just different.

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KEYWORDS: banglist; moain; mosin; nagant; prepping; wtshtf
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To: GOPsterinMA
Mosins, Mausers and Springfields are all great guns with different strengths and few real weaknesses. Of the three, the Mosin is arguably the most reliable.

The beauty of the Mosin is that you can have 6 of them and 900 rounds of ammo for the price of a single decent Springfield (sans ammo) or 3 of them for the price of a single decent 8mm Mauser (also sans ammo).

The closest thing to a weakness that there is in the Mosin is the magazine. There is a leaf spring that puts pressure on the cartridge rim. If it is weak or worn the rifle will have feed problems. I've seen this in a few older guns (and one M44 carbine). It is an easy fix and a common part, and you could even fabricate the part yourself with hand tools in a pinch.

41 posted on 05/02/2012 11:08:36 AM PDT by jboot
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To: Sea Parrot

I’ve got a ‘43 Sako M39. It’s a tight gun and it shoots better than I am capable of taking advantage of, but I’d rather shoot my old beat up 91/30. It’s lighter and faster and has a better “feel” somehow. I wondered if anyone else felt that way.


42 posted on 05/02/2012 11:14:54 AM PDT by jboot
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To: mnehring
Have found them the fastest for target acquisition.
43 posted on 05/02/2012 11:42:05 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Nations are only truly great when it's people are struggling against all odds, growing and expanding)
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To: mnehring
I'd steer clear of mismatched numbers between a Mosin bolt and rifle. That goes double for anyone shooting one near you.

Probably best to keep an arsenal refinished Mosin rifle intact and complete.

44 posted on 05/02/2012 12:11:28 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: The KG9 Kid; mnehring

If you are unsure of headspace on a mosin bolt, these guys sell “coin” style gauges. I have a set and they work well. They also have 8mm Lebel, .303 british and 8x56r steyr gauges:

http://www.okiegauges.com/


45 posted on 05/02/2012 12:32:36 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: crusadersoldier

“bolt has a number stamped on it and slashed out and the serial number matching the receiver stamped back”

Probably a refurb somewhere along the way. Still collectible.

An original would have a blade front sight and a ‘roller coaster’ rear sight in arshins.


46 posted on 05/02/2012 12:43:13 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome
Ping for some Mosin love!

I can make 300 yd shots with mine, pretty consistently.

I tried to qualify at Appleseed with it, but reloading is just too slow. Still, it's a fun shooter. I have the M44 carbine and the M39 rifle variants.

47 posted on 05/02/2012 1:21:54 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

“How does/would a Mauser or Springfield ‘03 compare to the Mosin?”

I have all three. The Mosin has a crude appearance and feel compared to the others, but it is simple, rugged and reliable. I would recommend finding a clean Finnish version, I think they are better made. My Finn is very accurate. If you really want to compare two extremes, cycle the gritty bolt on a Mosin, then cycle the silky bolt on a Krag.


48 posted on 05/02/2012 3:02:13 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic

I should have mentioned in my previous post that if I really had to fight with only one bolt action rifle, it would be a late British .303 Enfield. More compact, very rugged, 10 rounds in the magazine, and peep sights. The only negative is the rounded butt plate.


49 posted on 05/02/2012 3:09:27 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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I just found this on Gun Broker. They are asking way-way too much for it (reserve at $2K) but it does give me some customization aspirations.

It looks like he is using the same stock I bought (pictured up-thread).

50 posted on 05/02/2012 3:59:49 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Fiji Hill
In addition to the slip-on recoil pads that are widely available, I recently found a pad from tickbitesupply.com that mounts directly in place of the steel butt plate, using the same screws. Haven't been to the range with it yet, but I think it will do just fine. I like the added benefit of it not being able to slip or twist around like the limbsaver type slip-on pad.

51 posted on 05/02/2012 4:52:26 PM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: dynachrome

Very nice, but at that price I start thinking why not just buy a Remington 700...


52 posted on 05/02/2012 5:17:08 PM PDT by Scutter
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To: TexasRepublic

Thank you for the feedback, I’m taking notes.


53 posted on 05/02/2012 5:19:22 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The stench of Earth Pimp-age is permeating over the internet...)
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To: Lurker
Ammo is plentiful and cheap.

Right you are. Got a catalog in the mail today from Midway, and their regular price on mil-surp for an 880 round crate (2 440 round spam cans) is $179.99. Ammotogo has Bulgarian mil-surp for $144.95 for the same quantity. At that price, a man can shoot until his shoulder falls off. lol

54 posted on 05/02/2012 5:27:15 PM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: Scutter

It’s a collector thing. Do you happen to have an Albanian 91/30, only made for one year, 1961? LOL


55 posted on 05/02/2012 5:31:59 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: GOPsterinMA

56 posted on 05/02/2012 5:43:35 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Sea Parrot

I removed the rear sight on one of my 91/30’s and put a small red-dot scope on the dovetail. Shoots a pretty good group, but the recoil keeps pushing the scope forward, even with screws really snug, and set with blue Loctite. Of course, when that happens I lose my zero, and have to start all over again. I’m still puzzling over a way to solve that. Lots of fun tinkering with these classic old battle rifles.


57 posted on 05/02/2012 5:45:18 PM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: smokingfrog

Nice!!!


58 posted on 05/02/2012 5:48:56 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The stench of Earth Pimp-age is permeating over the internet...)
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To: mnehring

“asking way-way too much for it (reserve at $2K)”

Yikes! Way over priced.


59 posted on 05/02/2012 6:27:33 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: deoetdoctrinae

I just installed that very one (on the one I’m not customizing). It wasn’t a good fit. I had to let it sit in boiling water for about ten minutes to soften it up enough where it would fit cleanly, and it still doesn’t look that great. (I’ll take a photo later).


60 posted on 05/02/2012 6:29:59 PM PDT by mnehring
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