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Morris: Lame Duck Dems to Destroy Country through Treaties
Fox News Channel (no link) | 5/7/12 | Morris

Posted on 05/08/2012 6:30:07 AM PDT by pabianice

Dick Morris was on, forecasting the rest of the political year. He forecast a Dem loss of both the White House and the Senate, followed by blood-letting. According to Morris, a lame duck Obama will pass every imaginable communist treaty he can before he leaves office. Banning guns, sea treaty, banning all fossil fuel power plants, etc., a real nightmare vision. But the Constitution requires a 2/3 vote in the Senate to ratify a treaty. Where would Obama get 67 votes to ratify such insane treaties? I would have thought Morris would know this.


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1 posted on 05/08/2012 6:30:12 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Executive order


2 posted on 05/08/2012 6:33:13 AM PDT by ibytoohi
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To: pabianice

Didn’t hear, but perhaps he means they will try....maybe picking off a few idiotic pubbies on various issues.


3 posted on 05/08/2012 6:33:19 AM PDT by chiller (Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: pabianice

0bummer plans to do it by executive order. He will dare anyone to do anything about it. He’s already started.


4 posted on 05/08/2012 6:33:28 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: pabianice

Lame-duck republicans like Olympia Snowe, Richard Lugar and (hopefully) Orrin Hatch will help him. They love this crap.

Treaties are not permanent. The president can abrogate a treaty, though I doubt Romney would have to stones to do it.


5 posted on 05/08/2012 6:36:00 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: luvbach1

Whatever he does needs to be counter-ordered by the next executive immediately. He is in the slave business just as were his ancestors.


6 posted on 05/08/2012 6:38:47 AM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: cotton1706
Speak of the devil....just down thread

Heritage Foundation ^ | April 30, 2012 | Lachlan Markay

Former U.S. Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott is lobbying for the Senate to ratify a treaty that would undermine American sovereignty and damage the country economically – incidentally, characterizations that Lott himself has advanced. During his time in the Senate, Lott vehemently opposed the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, also known as the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST), saying it would create a “U.N. on steroids” that “would undermine U.S. military operations … and impair navigational rights” by subjecting maritime disputes to U.N. .......

7 posted on 05/08/2012 6:38:47 AM PDT by chiller (Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: pabianice
And on top of the treaty talk, now Dick Morris echos my prediction on Hannity last night..

That 60 in the Senate is not out of the question....

I think he is a closet Freeper reading my post...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877527/posts

8 posted on 05/08/2012 6:39:52 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: cotton1706

He will try to do as much damage as he can so the next congress will have to spent an inordinate amount of time repairing damage instead of solving our economic problems.


9 posted on 05/08/2012 6:41:06 AM PDT by ibytoohi
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To: pabianice

What if, once he is out of office they address the constitutional elligibility issue hanging over Obama? What if they find his presidency unconstitutional? Does that mean everything he has done is undone? I’m just curious. I don’t really much about this scenario, I was just doing a little wishful thinking this morning over coffee.


10 posted on 05/08/2012 6:41:06 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: chiller

What are they using to extort/blackmail Lott?

Another Turncoat.


11 posted on 05/08/2012 6:41:44 AM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: chiller

Lott is one of the liberal handmaidens. He played conservative when he was minority whip. When he became majority whip and then leader, he sold conservatives down the river.


12 posted on 05/08/2012 6:41:56 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: pabianice

Cannot happen. While they have 60, they don’t have 67.


13 posted on 05/08/2012 6:43:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: pabianice

Cannot happen. While they have 60, they don’t have 67.


14 posted on 05/08/2012 6:43:43 AM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: pabianice
No way these would get ratified and the House would Impeach Obama for doing so. Too much toe-jam, Morris. See also Unratified Treaties, Domestic Politics, and the U.S. Constitution which discusses the limited force such a signed but unratified treaty enjoys.
15 posted on 05/08/2012 6:44:51 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Chen Guangcheng: Gutsy call, Obama /UltraMegaDrippingSarc)
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To: pabianice

How did this gay Clinton supporter become a Republican?


16 posted on 05/08/2012 6:44:51 AM PDT by TigerClaws (He)
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To: pabianice

He won’t be able to get any treaty past the Senate, but people are going to be outraged by his clemency pardons.


17 posted on 05/08/2012 6:46:17 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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18 posted on 05/08/2012 6:47:24 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: pabianice

anything the commie usurper can do, he will do.


19 posted on 05/08/2012 6:53:04 AM PDT by biggredd1
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To: pabianice

Yes if Dick said that he was wrong....but he was CORRECT in assuming Obama will be VERY DANGEROUS between November 6, 2012 and January 20, 2013.

I expect him to pardon terrorists, give away military secrets to our enemies, and open the border floodgates.


20 posted on 05/08/2012 6:54:20 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Surrounded_too
Whatever he does needs to be counter-ordered by the next executive immediately.

Here, here. Let's hope (pray?) it's not Obama.

21 posted on 05/08/2012 6:57:32 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: marstegreg
What if, once he is out of office they address the constitutional elligibility [sic] issue hanging over Obama?

Unfortunately IMO, nothing will be done about it after the disaster leaves office. Let's hope he doesn't declare himself El Presidente for life by executive order.

22 posted on 05/08/2012 7:01:20 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: TigerClaws
How did this gay Clinton supporter become a Republican?

He's gay? So his marriage to a woman is a cover?

23 posted on 05/08/2012 7:03:38 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Lazamataz

They haven’t had 60 since Scott Brown was elected in Massachusetts early in 2010. Right now they have 53 counting the two “independents” who vote with the Democrats.


24 posted on 05/08/2012 7:05:43 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ibytoohi

Nonsense.

A treaty cannot be implemented by Executive Order.

Any Executive Order can be rescinded by a future president using the same method.


25 posted on 05/08/2012 7:05:43 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Lazamataz
Cannot happen. While they have 60, they don’t have 67.Read the US Constitution. It is not 67 votes. It is 2/3rds of the Senators present. The Federal Reserve Act was passed on December 23rd. If Obama could get 60 Democrats to show up on December 23rd they would only 40 votes
26 posted on 05/08/2012 7:12:04 AM PDT by Why So Serious (There is no cure for stupidity!!!)
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To: pabianice

Dems get help from folks like Lugar. He is especially enamored of treaties that surrender US sovereignty.


27 posted on 05/08/2012 7:12:58 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: pabianice

Dude can sign all the treaties he wants but two things:

1. He cannot usurp the Constitution

2. He will never ever get a 2/3rd affirmation in the Senate.

Sounds scary though.

We will control 57 votes for sure and if we get lucky barely 60 and in a pipe dream 62.


28 posted on 05/08/2012 7:15:08 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: cotton1706

That’s what I’m concerned that Romney will not have enough pressure to do anything about it. Unless the American people are made aware of how serious this treaty is and how much constitutional rights we will be losing to these foreigners all because of the likes of Hillary Clinton and Obama and the Liberals!


29 posted on 05/08/2012 7:17:33 AM PDT by classified
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To: Lazamataz

they have 60 today but, come November they will have only two months before the balance shifts to us and we have 57 for sure and if we get lucky 60+, which is not out of the realm.


30 posted on 05/08/2012 7:18:10 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Surrounded_too
What are they using to extort/blackmail Lott?

It's all about the Benjamins! MONEY!

31 posted on 05/08/2012 7:19:46 AM PDT by Why So Serious (There is no cure for stupidity!!!)
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To: Lazamataz
Cannot happen. While they have 60, they don’t have 67.

Read the US Constitution. It is not 67 votes. It is 2/3rds of the Senators present. The Federal Reserve Act was passed on December 23rd. If Obama could get 60 Democrats to show up on December 23rd they would only 40 votes

32 posted on 05/08/2012 7:22:45 AM PDT by Why So Serious (There is no cure for stupidity!!!)
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To: Why So Serious

Then it will be important for Republicans to be around until Obama is removed.


33 posted on 05/08/2012 7:35:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: Surrounded_too
What are they using to extort/blackmail Lott?

Lots of money.

Lot was, and still is, nothing more than a political whore.

Like 99% of politicians he would be shoveling cow dung on a farm if he were not in politics.

34 posted on 05/08/2012 7:41:45 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: pabianice
Where would Obama get 67 votes to ratify such insane treaties? I would have thought Morris would know this.

I'm sure he does but Morris is never reluctant to stretch the truth to sell a few more books. IMHO he is no longer a reliable source.

35 posted on 05/08/2012 7:43:23 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: marstegreg

Re: “What if, once he is out of office they address the constitutional elligibility issue hanging over Obama?”

Sadly, there is little hope of that. Consider the rationale for burying all info on the Kennedy assignation until everyone alive at the time had died - and at the other extreme of significance, the suppression of the wholesale vandalism by exiting Clintonians, from theft of public property by the Clintons themselves to the removal of all the “W” keys from white house computers.

Bush presaged his coming failure to respond to leftist misdeeds by instructing his staff to quietly ignore the “petty” crimes.

What we need is for the incoming republican administration to make an honest investigation (not a witch hunt) and then formally abandon the absurd policy of burying truth in the classified wastebasket, “..because the american public couldn’t stand the truth..”

The lesson from recent European elections is that we are going to have to go through some pain to recover from a century of the “progressive agenda” and the american public will only bite the bullet if they are convinced they are fully informed and acting in their proper character as “we the people” who authorize our government to take the necessary action.


36 posted on 05/08/2012 7:45:18 AM PDT by LoneStarC
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I was hoping that they have all been avoiding this issue in order to avoid a “constitutional crisis”. Since this really has very little to do with his presidency and only his life before the presidency I thought it might be fair game. You are right about Republicans, they lack the fortitude to address something this controversial. It's too bad that they don't understand that this kind of passive acceptance of Democratic wrongdoing is exactly how we got Obama
37 posted on 05/08/2012 7:53:36 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: pabianice

Morris is a media whore. He’s figured out he can make money pimping to conservatives. Still don’t mean he right.

When nobama loses, all we’ll get to see lots of pissin our money away on GOV paid vacations. Those really in power will whisper in his ear to not try to pull some shite, as it might not be in his best longterm interest.


38 posted on 05/08/2012 7:57:55 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Sherman Logan

“A treaty cannot be implemented by Executive Order”

True and there are not 67 votes in the Senate for any of these treaties. It makes for great scare talk but its not going to happen.

That being said I think The Kenyan will do what damage he can as soon as he sees he has lost the election. Its a long time from Nov to Jan.


39 posted on 05/08/2012 7:58:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: pabianice

Don’t forget that another motivation to do this is to clog up the legislative process—allowing more mischief to be done—bills and compromises to be passed, due to lack of time.

Treaties do have to have Senate action, and overloading the system—even with things that won’t pass—is just another democRat method of getting other stuff through that a more deliberative process would of rejected.

Personally, I fear a national emergency—financial or terrorist—will allow 0 the excuse to seize dictatorial powers...


40 posted on 05/08/2012 8:04:00 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: Vendome

After the election, the dems will treat nobama like he’s got the clap. It’ll be “obama-who”. Count on it, the dems always look out for “their” cushy deal and “their” future.


41 posted on 05/08/2012 8:05:10 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

They only need 51 for a quorum and therefore only 35 for a valid vote.


42 posted on 05/08/2012 8:32:43 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: taildragger
At a certain point a national Conservative leader will step forward and advocate that individual states ignore and defy the unconstitutional executive orders of both the Democrats and past Republican presidents.

Executive orders is legislating via fiat of the executive branch. The constitution is very clear this is a function of the legislative branch, which is congress.

43 posted on 05/08/2012 9:03:29 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: pabianice

Obama will pass every imaginable communist treaty he can before he leaves office.

Obama’s replacement has a case of Bic lighters for his first day in office.


44 posted on 05/08/2012 9:30:38 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: CharacterCounts
He won’t be able to get any treaty past the Senate, but people are going to be outraged by his clemency pardons.

That probably deserves a thread in itself. He can't pardon state prisoners like Mumia Abu-Jamal, but pretty much any federal inmate with a union or Democrat Party connection will get out of jail free.

45 posted on 05/08/2012 9:38:26 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: pabianice
A Treaty that can destroy a nation is always voidable. See Jefferson's classic Memo to President Washington (1793):

Memo To George Washington.

But the immediate focus must be in making sure that the Obamination is not reelected. We will have the mass bussing of those dependent upon Government, as well as multiple voting, to deal with, before anyone can relax & breathe easy.

William Flax

46 posted on 05/08/2012 9:48:38 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ratman83

Thats not going to happen. Its going to take 67 votes to get the Law of the Sea or the small arms treaty passed and there are not 67 votes in existence.

If you are that worried about it then call your senators and make sure they know which way to vote. I’m not worried about it and I’m still going to call my 2 potted plants.


47 posted on 05/08/2012 9:50:01 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I have no faith in the GOP to make sure that they are in place at votes. They were out maneuvered on Obamacare so they do not have a go track record. I have communicated with my meatheads; unfortunately one is Lugar who wants LOST.


48 posted on 05/08/2012 10:05:15 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Never underestimate the political power of a strong threat of blackmail.


49 posted on 05/08/2012 10:19:29 AM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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To: marstegreg

Like it or not, he was sworn in as President. He took the Oath of Office. His terrm runs until 2013 (unless re-elected) or Impeachment and Conviction. And then it is a matter of history.

There is no mechanism to “undo” the actions of a prior administration except for repealing legislagtion by congressional vote or executing executive orders as allowable.


50 posted on 05/08/2012 10:29:59 AM PDT by ace2u_in_MD (You missed something...)
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