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Florida ordinance could give ‘transgender’ men access to women’s restrooms
life news ^ | 5/21/2012 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 05/21/2012 6:48:57 PM PDT by Morgana

JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, May 21, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – A proposed “civil rights” ordinance could open public restrooms and showers to transgender members of the opposite sex, its critics warn.

The city council of Jacksonville, Florida, is considering passing an ordinance to outlaw “discrimination” on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in employment, public accommodations, or housing. That means no employer, landlord, or owner of any facility open to the public may refuse to hire or rent their property to anyone who claims to be homosexual or transgender.

The measure, supported by Councilman Warren Jones, also leaves employers vulnerable to lawsuits if an applicant claims he is a victim of discrimination.

“This ‘civil rights’ ordinance takes away more rights than it supposedly grants,” said Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel, a pro-family legal organization.

Such a measure would “further infringe on the religious freedoms of Christians, and the majority of mainstream Americans who do not accept such alternative lifestyles as normal,” Joey Vaughn, a local business owner, told the Florida Baptist Witness. “There is no exemption or protection under the ordinance for followers of Jesus Christ who own or work in a business.”

The Jacksonville Baptist Association has been active in opposing the measure. However, members of the Religious Left have supported it, including two churches affiliated with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, as well as clergy of the Episcopalian, Lutheran, and Jewish faiths.

The measure follows shortly after a similar motion passed the city council of Hutchinson, Kansas. The final measure, passed city council by a 3-2 vote last week, removed the transgender provision. However, it still opens public accommodations – including any church that rents its facility to the public – to homosexuals. A fact sheet on the ordinance states, “If a church has a parish hall that they rent out to the general public, they could not discriminate against a gay couple who want to rent the building for a party.” The council will vote on the specific legal language on June 5.

Adding transgender rights could facilitate another kind of abuse. Campaign Life Coalition national president Jim Hughes has warned that such laws give sexual predators “legitimized access” to women’s restrooms.

“Wherever this [provision] is passed, privacy and decency are eroded,” agrees Staver.

Canadian women have suffered a flurry of restroom attacks by men. In 2010, an Ottawa man was sentenced to three years in prison for assaulting a 15-year-old girl at Nepean High School. The year before, a Halifax woman was assaulted with a sharp object in a restroom at the mall.

In the United States, Concerned Women for America’s Donna Miller was shocked to see a man urinating in a women’s restroom in plain view, “very intentional, in your face” in 2009.

Yet a Macy’s store in San Antonio, Texas, fired 27-year-old Natalie Johnson for denying a man who identified himself as transgender access to the women’s restroom.

Staver cited a case in Orono, Maine, where a teenage boy uses the female restroom on the grounds of his perceived gender identity.

Citing the inherent controversy, Jacksonville City Councilman Doyle Carter believes the motion should be settled by a public referendum. “I just think it’s an important issue and the citizens of the city should vote on it, not 19 people,” he said. The former mayor, John Delaney, who supports the ordinance, disagrees. “It’s not a democracy were everyone votes on everything, like ancient Greece,” he said.

“This has never been about discrimination,” Staver said. “These ordinances are meant to legitimize and codify the homosexual and transgender lifestyles.”

Public comments will be accepted at the council’s next meeting on May 22. The body could vote on the issue by June 12.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: culturewar; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; napl; privacyrights; restroom; sexualharassment; transgender; waronwomen
This is just asking for trouble
1 posted on 05/21/2012 6:49:21 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana
This is just asking for trouble

Insofar as we are living during an epidemic of stupidity, odds favor its passing.

2 posted on 05/21/2012 6:55:12 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: Morgana

This BS is already happening in Gainesville.


3 posted on 05/21/2012 6:58:58 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Morgana

This is a bad idea. If my wife comes out of a restroom with a dude looks like a lady behind her, it’s not only going to freak her out...


4 posted on 05/21/2012 7:03:49 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Morgana

I’m a lesbian trapped in the body of a middle aged man. Which way to the giurl’s shower?


5 posted on 05/21/2012 7:04:58 PM PDT by far sider
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To: Morgana

I’m a lesbian trapped in the body of a middle aged man. Which way to the girl’s shower?


6 posted on 05/21/2012 7:05:32 PM PDT by far sider
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To: Morgana
I've seen this happen -- had a very muscular "transgendered" person (a man pretending he was a woman) follow me into a women's restroom.

I was stunned. Luckily I wasn't alone (there were several women waiting in line in the restroom).

None of the other women said boo. But everyone in that restroom was uncomfortable, to put it mildly.

This happened in a public building in a conservative town ... in a police academy, of all places.

7 posted on 05/21/2012 7:15:22 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Morgana
I wonder how this will strike all of those ladies who “just love their Gay and or Male Trans-gender friends”?

I happen to work at place that seems to cater to fagots. It makes me want to hurl watching the women treat them like one of their girlfriends. I hope they feel the same way when Steve/Eve joins them in the little girls room to take a pi$$ standing up!

8 posted on 05/21/2012 7:26:56 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Morgana

My father had a homo come on to him in a restaurant lavvy in the 70’s. Put his hand on him at the urinal. He knocked him out.......COLD. I was 9. Wondered why we left the establishment so quickly. Mom filled me in some years later about what happened. LOL!

Love ya’, Dad! Miss you!


9 posted on 05/21/2012 7:29:23 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: far sider
I’m a lesbian trapped in the body of a middle aged man. Which way to the girl’s shower?

LOL!

Sounds like a classic case of middle age male sexual orientation confusion disorder to me..........Hmmmm....

Sign me up, there must be some free money in it somewhere.

Oh, and which way to the girl's shower?

/s


10 posted on 05/21/2012 7:30:05 PM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: Morgana

Probably easier and cheaper in the long run to have public restrooms for men, women, queers, freaks and perverts.


11 posted on 05/21/2012 7:32:02 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Morgana

Imagine perverted grown men in the same bathrooms as your daughter.


12 posted on 05/21/2012 7:32:02 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: EEGator

In Maine, they had people wanting unisex bathrooms for all schools. Yuck.


13 posted on 05/21/2012 7:33:12 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: far sider

Will allowing visits to the women’s shower be reserved just for those men dressed in drag or for ordinary dressing dudes as well?


14 posted on 05/21/2012 7:34:29 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: Morgana

Sick Aholes!

An man that even acts like he’s a trans gets a kick in the nuts
if they come around my ‘space’.


15 posted on 05/21/2012 7:35:35 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Criminaliens or Crimigrants...0bamao's people?)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

They make special rooms for muslims, don’t they?
They can make special rooms for ‘sickos’, too.


16 posted on 05/21/2012 7:37:26 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Criminaliens or Crimigrants...0bamao's people?)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

We women must put up with trans. and lesbos but men don’t have to have their space intruded? BS!


17 posted on 05/21/2012 7:39:41 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Criminaliens or Crimigrants...0bamao's people?)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

“They can make special rooms for ‘sickos’, too.”

Make ‘em use the curb...


18 posted on 05/21/2012 7:40:51 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: TribalPrincess2U; Chode

some muzzie women want to have a “women’s only” swimming hour at public pools.

Oh I can’t wait till these two worlds collide. Transgenders and muzzie women at the women’s only swimming hour!

For real I would don a burkini just to see it!!


19 posted on 05/21/2012 7:42:54 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: GeronL

I’ll never understand pandering to .00001% of the population.


20 posted on 05/21/2012 7:48:02 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Morgana
or one of them thumps the tar out of them for invading their space
21 posted on 05/21/2012 7:51:22 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: EEGator

I don’t either. It’s insane.


22 posted on 05/21/2012 7:52:06 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Morgana

I’m going to say I’m a man trapped in a woman’s body so I can gawk at the good-looking men in the bathroom/shower.


23 posted on 05/21/2012 7:52:20 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you so much,Pumpkin. You're the best cat in the world.)
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To: Morgana
The Jacksonville Baptist Association has been active in opposing the measure. However, members of the Religious Left have supported it, including two churches affiliated with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, as well as clergy of the Episcopalian, Lutheran, and Jewish faiths.

Uh, Chabad of Jacksonville and 2 other Orthodox Jewish chapters are AGAINST it (and their membership is FAR larger than the liberal "Jews" who support it), but the media won't bother with little facts in their determination to make this a "Retrograde Baptists vs. Everyone Else" narrative.

24 posted on 05/21/2012 7:56:07 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Morgana

I caught a short segment of Miller Time on BOR last week (my wife watches that guy - not me).

He said something to the effect that progessive NAG’s are going to all be in favor of this until they find themselves sitting in a stall next to some guy who’s producing a real “growler” one morning...


25 posted on 05/21/2012 8:13:30 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: EEGator

yeah, and I think Tallahassee too. I remember reading about this years ago there.

Creepy.


26 posted on 05/21/2012 8:21:30 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: Morgana

How will they ever know who is transgender and who is a pervert trying to get a peek at women? Will there be bathroom guards? Will transgender carry cards to verify their status? This is getting beyond idiotic.


27 posted on 05/21/2012 8:27:11 PM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: Morgana; EEGator

And, it having passed— what will happen when the first “cross dressing” “female/actual male” rapist enters the women’s room and commits rape or worse?

Since the access is guaranteed under the law... what will be the proof required to show someone is “transgendered” and not a psycho (which could be the same thing.. anyway).


28 posted on 05/21/2012 8:33:54 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: 43north
Quite right.

The only way this can end is by reductio ad absurdum - take this b.s to its [il]logical conclusion. When people are forced to share bathrooms with LGBTQ freaks the consequences of their feel-good voting will be brought home to them.

Incidentally, this is why I'm so strongly opposed to homosexuals in the military. Servicemen and women don't get to choose their bathroom arrangements. It's one [wrong] thing to condemn criminals to be harassed in the showers, quite another to inflict it upon people volunteering to serve their country.

29 posted on 05/21/2012 8:40:25 PM PDT by Vide
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To: Vide

Who knows? One of these days we might even get an LGBTQ commander in chief.


30 posted on 05/21/2012 8:57:47 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: far sider
I’m a lesbian trapped in the body of a middle aged man. Which way to the giurl’s shower?

Me too, which way to the cheerleader's showers?

31 posted on 05/21/2012 9:02:18 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The President who ate the dog, will soon wag the dog.)
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To: haroldeveryman
Who knows? One of these days we might even get an LGBTQ commander in chief.

It will never happen. No one would elect some dude who throws a baseball like a sissy, wears momjeans and has only a composite girlfriend.

32 posted on 05/21/2012 9:05:27 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The President who ate the dog, will soon wag the dog.)
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To: Vide
What's going to happen is that companies will be forced to replace each pair of Men's and Lady's rooms with a collection of individual unisex toilets.

That will be the only way to satisfy the freaks and the women that will otherwise be freaked out.

Just another cost that will be passed onto business and then onto the consumer.

33 posted on 05/21/2012 10:29:00 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Morgana

women’s restrooms - - -

Didn’t Colorado do this some years ago?

But when I was there visiting relatives about 3 years ago, I had forgotten about it.
And it ever happened when I was in public places.


34 posted on 05/21/2012 10:57:51 PM PDT by USARightSide ( SUPPORTING O U R TROOPS)
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To: USARightSide

-— never /ever - ‘scuse!


35 posted on 05/21/2012 11:00:10 PM PDT by USARightSide ( SUPPORTING O U R TROOPS)
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To: Envisioning; farside

A word of warning: you do NOT want to claim you are a lesbian in a man’s body. I once worked with a gay guy and I mentioned to him that that was one of my dad’s favorite jokes. The guy looked at me puzzled, saying he was confused and was I sure it was a joke? I explained that my dad meant that he was attracted to women. Gay dude explained that orientation and gender are separate things and that saying you’re a lesbian in a guy’s body means that you believe you are woman. You genuinely believe that you a woman who happens to be a lesbian. He said that kind of thing is no joke and there are people who actually think this. Say that to a gay person and they will take you literally.

I promptly informed my dad. He hasn’t made that joke since. No reason to get some sicko out there interested in you.
Straight people will get the humor but watch out for the freaks and the freaks who believe them. I know you’re joking, you know you’re joking...
Just never say that outside of FR and you should be safe.

Still, it figures that the homos would ruin our fun at their expense.


36 posted on 05/22/2012 6:25:30 AM PDT by Conservaliberty (25 and conservative. I guess I have no heart, Oh, well, makes shooting the bad guys easier.)
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To: Conservaliberty; Chode; GeronL; Slings and Arrows; Jim Robinson; WVNan; Tax-chick; ...

“No reason to get some sicko out there interested in you.
Straight people will get the humor but watch out for the freaks and the freaks who believe them. I know you’re joking, you know you’re joking...
Just never say that outside of FR and you should be safe.”

It has been my experience that there are a lot of jokes best kept to Free Republic! We are the only ones who get it and if one must explain the joke it loses the punchline.


37 posted on 05/22/2012 9:00:17 AM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ...


38 posted on 05/22/2012 11:39:35 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Morgana; wagglebee; Slings and Arrows; Revolting cat!

What if your sexual identity is “voyeur”, why do only homosexual and crossdressing fetishists get their sexual needs met?


39 posted on 05/22/2012 12:02:04 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: shhrubbery!

We already know that homosexuals solicit sex from strangers in bathrooms.

Bi-sexuals would be permitted access to solicit sex in the ladies rooms if this becomes law.

While there are currently laws on the books prohibiting sex in bathrooms and other public areas, they are selectively enforced against homosexuals and the national gay rights lobby is seeking to have them ended altogether.

Homosexuals have put up websites with information as to where the best bathrooms are for public sex (including certain courthouses).

Their identity revolves around random hookups.


40 posted on 05/22/2012 12:06:50 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
My father had a homo come on to him in a restaurant lavvy in the 70’s. Put his hand on him at the urinal. He knocked him out.......COLD. I was 9. Wondered why we left the establishment so quickly.

Today they call that "gay bashing" and "homophobia" when actually it is self-defense against sexual assault/harassment.

Any woman who was in the same situation with a man soliciting her for sex would be fully understood within her rights to smack the guy.

And some homosexuals deliberately court what they call "rough trade" that might be physically abusive. Homosexuality is a mental disorder.

41 posted on 05/22/2012 12:15:06 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: a fool in paradise

Amen.


43 posted on 05/22/2012 8:00:20 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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Some dude in the restroom with me, I’m obliged to give him that surgery he’s bucking for - halfway there, at least. The wimmins room is sacred, dangit.

That’s where we go to do what we claim we don’t do - sometimes after painfully holding it in for hours! LOL The ladies loo is Vegas, baby. Leave it be.


44 posted on 05/23/2012 7:59:46 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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