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Fossil Fuels. When are we going to stop using this false description of anaerobic oil?
General Knowledge verses historical (mis-knowledge)

Posted on 06/04/2012 10:05:51 AM PDT by jongaltsr

How long are we going to continue referring to oil as Fossil fuel when we have known for many (Many) years that oil as we know it comes not from Dinosaurs etc but rather from "other" organic materials such as "trees" etc.

Animals that die (including dinosaurs) do not leave a trace of "oil" when they die. They putrefy, dehydrate and turn to dust, leaving only their bones to be discovered later on.

Yes there are fossils in the La Brea Tar Pits and many other such surface Tar Pits around the world but that is because animals fell in the oil that already existed and drowned because they could not swim or breathe.

Tar comes from trees, grasses, moss, peat moss etc and any fossils that are found in them were the result of those items being buried in amongst the organic material before it sunk down and decomposed far beneath the earth's surface.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; History; Reference
KEYWORDS: abiogenic; anaerobicoil; anwr; cassini; energy; fossilfuel; huygens; keystonexl; oil; opec; saturn; tar; thomasgold; titan
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To: JRandomFreeper
I was responding to a post stating pre-exist the earth
61 posted on 06/04/2012 4:36:37 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
And what would a gas cromatograph and a mass spectrometer have told us about Terra? And whether there were asphaltics?

Zip. Nada. Nothing.

It does give us some information on the above-ground atmosphere.

Nothing for underground.

Any seismic devices included?

/johnny

62 posted on 06/04/2012 4:36:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Methane is a hydrocarbon. But it is a simple, not a complex hydrocarbon as you stated.


63 posted on 06/04/2012 4:38:03 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Ummm. there are clouds of ethane and methane and other hydrocarbons out there in the universe that do pre-exist the earth.

/johnny

64 posted on 06/04/2012 4:39:27 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You have a good night.

I’m not interested in arguing over something no one as found.


65 posted on 06/04/2012 4:39:42 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
So, we have established that there is methane on Titan, and it is a hydrocarbon.

We'll move on to establishing whether there is or is not more complex hydrocarbons.

And.... that's still up in the air, so to speak (methane, if you want to be correct).

/johnny

66 posted on 06/04/2012 4:42:31 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
You might have a more pleasant discussion if you would stop tossing smartass jibes in with your posts.

Here's something for you to read

67 posted on 06/04/2012 4:44:54 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: thackney
I will ask one final question... If Titan is loaded with carbon and hydrogen... is there a non-biotic mechanism to build those into more complex hydrocarbons?

I think there is.

Have a good evening, and thank you for the discussion.

/johnny

68 posted on 06/04/2012 4:45:43 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MHGinTN
SRI. Never meant to be a smart-ass. I got whacked pretty hard for that recently.

/johnny

69 posted on 06/04/2012 4:48:14 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: thackney
Thanks. I work in this world but I don't necessarily understand the basic chemistry.

when the organic debris remains in contact with sufficient oxygen, it eventually goes to the lowest energy state, carbon dioxide, water, sulfur dioxide, etc. When sediment at the bottom of the lake/ocean cover over and bury the organics away from a source of oxygen, we get hydrocarbons.

Reminds me of the frozen methane deposits at the bottom of our own oceans.

70 posted on 06/04/2012 4:59:55 PM PDT by marron
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To: Ann Archy

Since we are pulling oil from 7 miles below where any trace of dead dinosaur may have once died and decayed, we know the origin of oil isn’t from dinosaurs.

Full stop.

Bottom line: We don’t know how oil was formed.

Add that to the mountain of stuff we thought we knew about and didn’t. Salt’s good for you now as well, if you didn’t get the memo. Scientist said so.

Credibility is getting thinner every day for modern science.


71 posted on 06/04/2012 5:06:41 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Got it. Thanks. And here's another interesting paper for your reading pleasure.

Thought you might find these Van Flandern papers interesting, EATB.

72 posted on 06/04/2012 5:26:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
I meant for the accusation that I was a smart-ass. Not for actually being a smart-ass.

YMMV. Mine was pretty poor.

/johnny

73 posted on 06/04/2012 5:33:13 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sioux-san
Our wonderfully designed planet constantly produces the brown ooze from deep within and up it creeps through any and all debris, organic and otherwise, left behind from times long ago.

We know the planet consists of a large amount of hydrocarbons.

We know that 'gravity' and 'heat' from the 'core' of the Earth make the depths of the planet a giant pressure cooker.

That liquid hydrocarbons would be produced and force their way 'up' through the more solid matter (running away from the heat?) seems to make a lot of sense.

74 posted on 06/04/2012 9:56:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

When I was a kid in school and even when I was in college, we were taught that oil and coal came fromt he same source, biomass conversion. The fossilized leaves, etc. found in coal were shown as proof positive. Interesting how such myths take hold and are so difficult to shake off.


75 posted on 06/04/2012 10:03:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: upsdriver
Can someone explain how trees, animals, etc formed the oil that lies two miles below the surface here in the Bakken formation?

If the Bakken formation is around 350 million years old, it only required an inch of new sediment every 2762 years to build up to a depth of two miles in all that time.

As I understand it, the standard theory is that oil was formed from algae, not trees and animals.

76 posted on 06/04/2012 10:29:55 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: MHGinTN
When I was a kid in school and even when I was in college, we were taught that oil and coal came fromt he same source, biomass conversion. The fossilized leaves, etc. found in coal were shown as proof positive.

Well... isn't that pretty much true?

Coal-in it's various forms, oil-in it's various forms, come from biomass. Although that may not be the only 'source' for coal/oil.

Diamonds were supposed to be formed by tremendous heat and pressure deep within the Earth. Now we think it may have been produced by meteorite impacts. After all, many diamonds were found on the surface. Maybe they were formed also, by both.

Many things that we 'were' taught , we now know are not true. Many things we know 'now', are not true either.

At least when we were young, teachers TRIED to tell us the 'accepted' truth. Nowadays, it seems most 'teachers' are only concerned with paychecks and politics.

77 posted on 06/04/2012 10:54:19 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: wideminded
As I understand it, the standard theory is that oil was formed from algae

Well, maybe not the algae themselves, but algae poop.

Even more likely is that oil is formed from bacteria. After all, SOMETHING ate all the oil from the BP leaking seafloor well. Maybe oil is produced from algae and bacteria poop.

78 posted on 06/04/2012 10:58:24 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: freedserf

Hydrogen is the building block for just about everything in the world. Guess it was designed (can I say - by God) to be that way.

It is the purest form of energy (EVER) devised and we have an ocean full of the stuff.


79 posted on 06/06/2012 11:16:03 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: UCANSEE2

yes. Algae, moss (from bogs) and just about any other type of vegetation that got trapped beneath the surface and worked its way (through the eons) down close to the earths molten core.


80 posted on 06/06/2012 11:19:05 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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