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Penn State Sanction
ESPN ^ | 07/23/12 | Me

Posted on 07/23/2012 8:06:58 AM PDT by aft_lizard

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To: Paladin2
NCAA piling on to help their 2012 budget.

(1) "Piling on"? - they soft-pedaled instead of giving the program a richly-deserved death penalty.

(2) All the fines are being given directly to child abuse prevention programs and are not being paid to the NCAA.

21 posted on 07/23/2012 8:21:20 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: mylife

The NCAA is not a court of law.


22 posted on 07/23/2012 8:23:04 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: hoagy62

“But the football program STILL EXISTS.

WHY?”

I heard something about not wanting to levy the death penalty because it negate some cultural goals or gains or some such crap.

What I heard was they did not want to upset the homosexuals.

I agree, the death penalty should have been just the start of the punishment.


23 posted on 07/23/2012 8:23:04 AM PDT by crude77
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To: aft_lizard

Why not just shut down the program? What effect, for instance, does going back and changing the win loss ratio from 1998 forward? And why would anyone want to play in the Penn State program?


24 posted on 07/23/2012 8:23:28 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: aft_lizard
But what about PSU's annual "C#ntfest," started by Spanier? Will that still take place?

Does Spanier keep his cushy professorship?

25 posted on 07/23/2012 8:24:48 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: aft_lizard

Also, any FB player who wants to stay at Penn St but NOT play football, will be allowed to keep their full scholarship without penalty.


26 posted on 07/23/2012 8:24:56 AM PDT by BamaDi ("The definition of a racist today is anyone who is winning an argument with a liberal.")
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To: Paladin2

If I were running Penn State, I would pull out of all NCAA sports and tell them all that Penn State and the State of Pennsylvania will take care of it’s own problems instead of paying a fine to an institution that is just as guilty of what it’s trying to assess the fine for.


27 posted on 07/23/2012 8:26:10 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: JaxLaxDad

I think it’s saying they can only field 65 players now instead of 85 per year.


28 posted on 07/23/2012 8:26:55 AM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: Random_User_250

It would seem so.


29 posted on 07/23/2012 8:28:13 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: IndyTiger
ER is nice but Division 1-A is a different beast in terms of the competition among recruiting against schools. Also Eddie Robinson's first wins were against unknown opponents, lol.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/southwestern/grambling_state/yearly_results.php?year=1945

30 posted on 07/23/2012 8:30:28 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: johniegrad

I would worry about being in Division I after this is done, they might be better off doing Division I-AA where they could still compete for titles.

They might as well blow up Beaver Stadium, or at least remove about half of their seats.


31 posted on 07/23/2012 8:30:51 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: JaxLaxDad
If so, that IS the death penalty.

That was my reaction as well, but I'd be interested in a full explanation from those "in the know," if my understanding of how the NCAA scholarship rules work is wrong.

At first glance, what the NCAA has done here may be rather clever, in addition to appropriately harsh. From what I gather, that $60 million fine is roughly equivalent to the revenues generated by the Penn State football program for one season. So, the school gets to keep its beloved football this season, but doesn't make any money from it. "You guys like football that much? Fine. Trying playing this whole season for nothing." The jock-sniffers get their Saturday afternoon entertainment, the hot-dog vendors can still sell their wares, and the State College economy isn't totally crushed, but the school takes it in the pocketbook.

Vacating Paterno's wins from 1998 may seem a meaningless symbolic gesture to some, but as Paterno's pursuit of the "all-time" Division 1 record was apparently that sad old man's obsession in his last days -- and may well have been what ultimately underpinned his willingness to, at a minimum, "look the other way" as to Sandusky -- it's a nice "twisting of the knife" in context. It's the NCAA's own way of "taking down the statue," as it were it.

And, as you say, if the NCAA really did reduce Penn State's allotment of scholarships as is being reported here, then they've killed Penn State as a Divsion 1 program without actually "killing it."

I hope all this proves to be the case.

32 posted on 07/23/2012 8:31:15 AM PDT by DSH
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To: aft_lizard

sanctions?

what a joke

unless they’re going to focus on the homosexual that molested the kids... and the fact that homosexuals are 20+ times more likely to molest kids... then it’s all just an attack on a conservative

companies must be held liable if any kids are molested by homosexuals under their employ... since those employers put the kids in harms way by allowing the homosexual access to them


33 posted on 07/23/2012 8:31:22 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: wideawake
Former preezzy (and current faculty member) Spanier apparently escapes responsibility.

Punishing the school seems to be the wrong approach. Where does the NCAA get its jurisdiction and power?

Punishing the actual perps and enablers would be much better Justice.

34 posted on 07/23/2012 8:31:52 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: hoagy62
But the football program STILL EXISTS.

Probably because the NCAA is on shakey legal ground with all this. There's already a report that PSU has retained legal counsel, so it might be challenged.

The reason for the stiff fine is that the NCAA's "Death Penalty" is reserved for programs that are already on probation. PSU is NOW on probation, but wasn't before the Sandusky-affair. So the NCAA is fining PSU the equivalent of 1 year's revenue of the PSU football program (interesting that they know the amount).

35 posted on 07/23/2012 8:32:14 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Truth29

Just change the official name of the university to Pedo State. Put a statue of a crying child nearby the statue of Joe as he averts his eyes in perpetuity. Anyone who wants to be associated with the school after that is free to do so.


36 posted on 07/23/2012 8:32:44 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: momtothree

By covering up Sandusky’s behavior, Penn State won a lot of games they would not have won otherwise. That was the whole consideration for the cover-up, keeping the football program at a high level. That’s why vacating the wins is perfectly justified, IMHO.


37 posted on 07/23/2012 8:33:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: dfwgator

It’s tough to see where the draw is going to come from. They will get demolished by even the weakest sisters in the Big Ten. Paterno is retired so people won’t come out for that reason. They will have to rely on the tradition that they had before Sandusky.


38 posted on 07/23/2012 8:33:41 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Dixie Yooper
Yeh, it's long been my opinion the the NCAA needs to move out of Indianapolis, Indiana.
39 posted on 07/23/2012 8:34:30 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: aft_lizard

Penn State is now officially a basketball school.


40 posted on 07/23/2012 8:34:57 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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