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Employer Says She's Been Looking For A Year, Can't Find A Soul To Hire
AOL ^ | Aug 10, 2012 | Claire Gordon

Posted on 08/10/2012 12:48:46 PM PDT by Macoozie

For the country's 12.8 million unemployed, it may seem like the jobs just aren't out there. The average jobless American is out of work, after all, for nine months. But a somewhat different lament is coming, increasingly, from the employer's end: They can't find good enough people to fill all their open jobs.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
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"Good enough" people? Employers can't find employees when they don't pay market rate wages. $30-$50K? Guess where you will start with no experience. That's just over $16 an hour for full-time, with travel, off-hour engagements and no benes. You can make twice that cutting lawns and plowing snow AND never have to leave your own neighborhood.
1 posted on 08/10/2012 12:48:49 PM PDT by Macoozie
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To: Macoozie
Yasa says that she started hunting to fill an opening over a year ago, a work-from-home job that pays $30,000 to $50,000

That's codespeak for 100% commission.

2 posted on 08/10/2012 12:54:09 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: Macoozie

The job she was looking to fill was a “work from home” - no need to go past the driveway.

She wanted somebody right out of college with no experience.

I think many college grads would be happy with $30K per year while they looked for something better.


3 posted on 08/10/2012 12:59:40 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Macoozie

Let’s also ad that most of these businesses are insisting on years of experience for entry-level positions.

I think that employers got a little excited by the unemployment numbers. They got it into their heads that they could get the cream-of-the-crop for next to nothing and pushed it too far.

What I don’t understand is why it’s not starting to balance out yet. What’s stopping the free market from raising wages or stopping unemployed people from taking these jobs?

Could it possibly be that two years of free unemployment is discouraging people from taking jobs? Have unions driven up the expensive perks-packages so far that employers can’t afford to raise actual wages? Have we inflated college kids’ heads and expectations on what they’ll get when they do enter the job market so much that they refuse to work for less?

Probably a combination of factors.


4 posted on 08/10/2012 12:59:59 PM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Macoozie

It’s been more than a year and she hasn’t hired anyone.

It sounds unimportant to her.


5 posted on 08/10/2012 1:06:41 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: trailhkr1
Yasa says that she started hunting to fill an opening over a year ago, a work-from-home job that pays $30,000 to $50,000, depending on experience, but with no benefits (it's an independent contractor position). The only requirements are a four-year college degree and some writing and editing skills,...

"Independent contractor" = you're paying both sides of Social Security Tax.

If you have the experience, why is a 4-year degree required?

At least this employer received a bit of free advertising for her efforts.

6 posted on 08/10/2012 1:06:41 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Macoozie

In my neck of the woods, dealing with trucking and a small retail store, the biggest problem is the drug test. 8 out of 10 refuse it or don’t pass it. That leaves 2. One doesn’t show up the first day the other leaves after a week, wrecks a vehicle or is nasty to customers. It is frustrating


7 posted on 08/10/2012 1:07:37 PM PDT by cork
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To: Marie; PeteB570
The job in question has no pay, 100% commission. The type where you do it for 6 weeks, no sales and you quit. Think Amway.

If this woman was paying $30k actual salary to start she would have people lined up.

8 posted on 08/10/2012 1:08:31 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: trailhkr1

hahahaha.. exactly hahahaha...


9 posted on 08/10/2012 1:08:55 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Macoozie

It happens. We spent a year and a half trying to fill a QA automation spot. The candidates either didn’t have the skills or didn’t gel well with the team.


10 posted on 08/10/2012 1:09:32 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: trailhkr1

Herb-a-Life


11 posted on 08/10/2012 1:11:07 PM PDT by cork
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To: Macoozie

A lot of it has to do with the fact that employers don’t want to train. If a person has at least an AA degree, he’s probably reasonably easy to train and most entry level positions can probably be mastered within a month or so.

But employers don’t even want to invest a month into good people.


12 posted on 08/10/2012 1:24:49 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Macoozie

She just opened herself and company to allegations of age discrimination....

“How many millions of kids graduated this year?” she asks exasperatedly. “How many are out of work? How many want to work from home?”

So she’s publicly saying they just want kids out of school. Brilliant.


13 posted on 08/10/2012 1:31:31 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Macoozie

I don’t know how serious this job is, but I can tell you right now that there might be a ton of people unemployed out there, but there’s not a lot of GOOD unemployed people.

At my last job, we went through quite a few new hires. You’d think such people would be grateful to have a job, but for whatever reason, most of these new hires did whatever they could to weasel out of their shift, put forth little effort and do the least amount of work they could get away with, among other things. I honestly can’t understand it.


14 posted on 08/10/2012 1:34:17 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Macoozie
From DegreeDirectory.Org comes this description of what a market analyst does:

“Job Duties
As a marketing analyst, you'll gather consumer information and examine buying trends to create marketing plans for companies. One of your primary job duties in this career is to design surveys that identify consumer preferences and prospective markets for products. You'll conduct these surveys over the phone, on the Internet, through the mail and in focus groups. A marketing analyst usually oversees a team that helps with the surveying process.

Once this research has been completed, you'll evaluate the feedback and organize it into reports for company use. You'll also advise your employer on what products will be most beneficial to produce, as well as on the design, distribution and promotion of these products. With the information you provide, your employer is able to target the most profitable markets in order to generate the maximum amount of revenue possible.”

In other words..a survey taker, who as an independent contractor, will be paid for only for those surveys accepted.

15 posted on 08/10/2012 1:39:41 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: cork

A number of years ago, I audited the safety program of a business in Pittsburgh. They were all temps, he couldn’t get full time permanent employees. One of the items in the audit was proof of a drug and alcohol prevention program, which he showed me the WRITTEN program. Being honest, he took me to the window which overlooked the floor where 200-250 workers labored. “ If you took piss samples from every ONE of those people out there, you would find about five drug-free and not intoxicated at his time in the morning.” I just realized at that time, how big the situation is.


16 posted on 08/10/2012 1:44:07 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: RWB Patriot

Kids who live at home don’t starve when they don’t get a cheque.

You’ll find much of those unwilling to work probably live at home.


17 posted on 08/10/2012 1:44:12 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Macoozie

“You can make twice that cutting lawns and plowing snow AND never have to leave your own neighborhood.”

I don’t think there are any “lawn cutting” and/or snow plowing jobs LEFT available, that will bring in $30-50K a year, except - maybe, for the owner of an already established provider, and they are not about to quit; and others wanting in can only divide up an already fixed pie, not expand it; which would likely mean a further division of the local “lawn cutting” and snow blowing revenue.


18 posted on 08/10/2012 1:48:05 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Marie

“Could it possibly be that two years of free unemployment is discouraging people from taking jobs?”

I keep hearing that UI benefits are 2 years. However, upon losing my position in 2009 my UI ran out 2 weeks after the 26th week. Reason; my previous job experience justified the termination. Translation, experience dictated that I was employable. However over 50, white males (even with experience) are very low on the hiring list. Considering all contact I made with employers was through email (no return replies) or company websites (again no replies). In every case I was qualified for the advertised positions.

Oh, BTW, disabled veterans do not have a leg up in the hiring process. The only benefit is for the employers to interview DV’s, this is a plus when they report DOL quarterly numbers.


19 posted on 08/10/2012 1:57:23 PM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: Macoozie
You can make twice that cutting lawns and plowing snow AND never have to leave your own neighborhood.

If no one else is already doing that in your neighborhood, of course. What I see in my work (and I do a LOT of hiring) is that younger people (grads and those with a few years exp) expect to be paid a lot more than they are worth. The "special snowflake" syndrome has bled into the labor pool, and we have liberal arts majors from second tier state schools asking for $70k out of school. I'm not kidding.

20 posted on 08/10/2012 1:59:53 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Marie
if you've NEVER had a job you don't get unemployment in this country. Right now we have 53% of our recent college graduates UNEMPLOYED.

That's several million people dating back to the beginning of the Great Obama Recession 2008!

21 posted on 08/10/2012 2:04:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Macoozie

In America’s past, internal migration, whether during or before the depression, set Americans to migrate to the places in the country where job opportunities were better.

Now the entire complex web of government programs tells them, leads them, to expect that is no longer necessary, that the government will one way or another, sooner or later, some day get around to making it unnecessary to pack up and put your dreams in your own effort and in somewhere else.

I am sure many employers who can’t find employees with the skill set they are looking for could find them, or at least more of them, if more Americans gave up on holding out for the job that has not come, or come back to them, in the past few years and just “headed west” in the figurative sense - just headed to all the different places where unemployment was less and where more hiring is happening.

Now the Feds tell everyone that a mortgage foreclosure need not force the unemployed to seek work elsewhere, they’ll do all they can to keep you in your foreclosed house.

When the government “loves you” so much, tough love measures are harder to come by and, as a result, true economic recovery - re-balancing - takes longer or never comes.

After Oabama, too many are holding out for his messiahship. Good luck with that.


22 posted on 08/10/2012 2:05:35 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Fully Awake DAV

“all contact I made with employers was through email”

Problem number 1...


23 posted on 08/10/2012 2:07:27 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: count-your-change
Real quick ~ when doing cold-calling you get as much information on your targets as you can before calling ~ then, with that info on the left, and black space on the right, you prepare notes as you talk to them.

Your next call to them is not a cold-call, but there's your marketing guide already done.

I did a bit of large dollar value "Bill collecting" and you do the same thing ~ some of your information might end up in your company's lawyer's brief to take to court so be careful to note your sources.

24 posted on 08/10/2012 2:09:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: kcvl

“Problem number 1...”

Exactly! I have walked into companies who advertised open positions, only to be instructed to use the company website and submit resume online. What better way to cull the herd?


25 posted on 08/10/2012 2:15:33 PM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: WKUHilltopper

The usual way companies get around that now is to specify 0-1 years of experience. More than one year of experience? Why that’s not what they’re looking for!

As to this woman and her opening, the ad itself is very poorly written.

She seems to have in mind a fresh college graduate, but asking a fresh college graduate to be a world-traveling, research-report writing and editing dynamo while working from mom and dad’s basement is asking a lot. It’s not 22-year-olds who want to, or should, be workers from the isolation of home.

Also, what kind of college degree is in a related field—chemistry? Trying to hire a recent chemistry graduate with an effective salary in the $25K range (about $12/hour) is asking a lot as well.

So 77 LinkedIn ad respondents are all useless for this effectively $25K/year job? I don’t see how an employer who writes such a tangled ad should really complain simply because respondents express in their cover letter in interest in gaining experience.

But yes, now she’ll get hundreds of applications, I would think.


26 posted on 08/10/2012 2:15:44 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Macoozie
If anybody is curious, the job description is below...


Job Description

ChemOrbis is looking for an intelligent, flexible and independent Junior Market Analyst who is willing to learn a new industry from scratch, build up market knowledge over time to become an expert in the field and be able to contribute to writing market reports related to the plastics industry. We are also looking for people who are able to communicate well with professionals to gather market information from players in our industry.

ChemOrbis is a leading market intelligence source for the global plastics industry with office locations in all major regions including Europe, Middle East, Asia and the US. Our writers aim to keep members informed of all market developments so they can make the right decision when buying and selling plastics raw materials.

The job location is working from home. Only candidates from North America will be considered. ChemOrbis US is located in Weston, Florida.

Desired Skills & Experience

Responsibilities include:

Skills/Qualities

Must be authorized to work in the United States. No H-1B sponsorship available for this position.

Company Description

Global Network for the Polymer Industry

Web based, industry focused, global platform. Connects plastics industry companies and their top tier professionals/owners globally by providing them with:

- Most reliable and dynamic market information analysis and tools
- E-commerce tools and platforms
- Web advertising opportunities
- Offline industry conferences
- Industrial publications


* Get connected to plastics industry companies and their top tier professionals/owners globally
* Access daily, precise, accurate, independent and globally acknowledged market information
* Sell/buy at better prices and meet new business partners
* Gain exposure to a refined community of decision makers
* Network with key market players and learn about latest developments ChemOrbis

Additional Information

Posted:
July 31, 2012
Type:
Full-time
Experience:
Entry level
Functions:
Analyst 
Industries:
Information Services 
Job ID:
3477224

27 posted on 08/10/2012 2:17:30 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Macoozie

Bump! ;-)


28 posted on 08/10/2012 2:18:43 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Macoozie
I recently stood in line at a restaurant with several empty, unbused tables. When finally seated, our waiter told us they can't hire enough bus-boys or waiters because the people they would hire are on welfare or unemployment and don't want a job.

If that wasn't bad enough, he told us that the new hotel next door had to close off their top two floors because they couldn't hire cleaning people.

29 posted on 08/10/2012 2:20:04 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Poorly written job descriptions are a big problem - I say this as a father of two kids who graduated college in the last three years. The lady in the article complains that too many people just send out resumes whether or not they are qualified. The other side of that is that there are a lot of young people who read a job description like this and conclude the same thing you did - hey, my degree is not related to chemicals, and I don’t think I can travel internationally for a trainee-level job.

Her job description should be closer to what she said in the article - we want a recent graduate for an entry level job. Ambition, willingness to learn, and writing skills are most important.


30 posted on 08/10/2012 2:23:38 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: RWB Patriot

I witnessed the same thing when I was training new recruits. The job wasn’t hard, the pay was good, but there were too many people who were trying to see how little work they could get away with and still get paid. Some of them went to unbelievable contortions to do it, too.

I got nicknamed “The Assassin”. I hated it every time I had to fire someone, but they’d make sure there wasn’t a choice. Some even said straight out that they only applied so they could qualify for unemployment again.


31 posted on 08/10/2012 2:25:26 PM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: PhatHead

Is that the ad? Entry level? Hell it sounds to me like they want someone to run the company.


32 posted on 08/10/2012 2:26:36 PM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: lonestar

That doesn’t surprise me IN THE LEAST!

Welfare, food stamp credit cards(EBT), etc. pays more for them to sit on their butts than working AND PAYING TAXES.

Throw in a few ‘crazy checks’ and they are doing quite well for themselves if you exclude self respect and motivation to live free from government.

Stand in any grocery store, Walmart, etc. line and see for yourself. They have NO PROBLEM having government pay their way. NONE...and they also have no problem getting manicures put on those EBT cards either. Just like they have no problem putting gambling money, cigs, liquor, porn, strippers, etc. on there.

And they don’t even appreciate the taxpayers who are footing the bills! They expect it!

I am so sick of it I could punch someone.


33 posted on 08/10/2012 2:29:36 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Macoozie

Oh, and her opening as she outlines it sounds illegal to me: an independent contractor who is supposed to be ‘guiding’ and editing the work of other staff members?

It’s posted as both a regular, salary-type position, with the expectation of carrying out various tasks as assigned—and yet she’s trying to avoid paying the taxes and benefits due to an actual employee.

I wonder if all of this attention will backfire on her and get her an IRS audit.


34 posted on 08/10/2012 2:29:57 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: PhatHead

I think she’d be better off with someone like a work-experienced mom trying to get back in the workforce while still staying home—someone who has been a trade journalist in the field or maybe was in industry research before having a couple of kids.

That’s someone who could deliver more high quality work on a half-time basis (and thus at a reasonable level of pay), without trying to figure it all out from scratch.


35 posted on 08/10/2012 2:38:43 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

You’re right. Most kids who have just graduated from college won’t be interested. After four years of full-time partying the transition to full-time employment will not be attractive.


36 posted on 08/10/2012 2:41:20 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: kcvl

Companies are making it extremely difficult if not impossible for candidates to contact them outside of the prescribed application process. No phone numbers, “noreply@” addresses for their outbound communications...I even had one company state that any inquiries to the status of a submitted application would cause the application to be dropped from consideration.

It’s not just a brutal market out there, it’s a downright hostile one.


37 posted on 08/10/2012 2:43:46 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Macoozie
Last week we ran an add for a shipping/receiving position at $13 an hour. In 48 hours we had over 400 applicants.
38 posted on 08/10/2012 2:43:46 PM PDT by Gettin Betta
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To: Ellendra
The job wasn’t hard, the pay was good, but there were too many people who were trying to see how little work they could get away with and still get paid.

Exactly right. My experience also. We have a tremendous moral and ethical character deficit in this country - thanks primarily to government schools.

39 posted on 08/10/2012 2:44:28 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Mr. Bird
we have liberal arts majors from second tier state schools asking for $70k out of school. I'm not kidding.

It's not just what they expect, it's what they NEED. $50-100K in loans is a hell of a burden.

40 posted on 08/10/2012 2:44:37 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: ladyjane

They’re looking for work, but definitely want—and probably need—a more social environment.


41 posted on 08/10/2012 2:52:51 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: cork

Someone I know in the industrial temp staffing business told me he had a client with a manufacturing plant in a small town about 90 miles from here. They were begging him to find them more help. Biggest problem has been that the failure rate on the drug test is 71%!


42 posted on 08/10/2012 2:55:25 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 9YearLurker

“Web based, industry focused, global platform. Connects plastics industry companies and their top tier professionals/owners globally”

This is the Companys discription. Haven’t looked them up. Sounds like some pie in the sky start up looking to get bought out as quickly as possible.

“You want a tip son? Plastics. That’s where the future is”

From “The Graduate”. Well, it’s close anyway


43 posted on 08/10/2012 2:57:21 PM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: saleman

Ha ha—that’s what it sounds like!


44 posted on 08/10/2012 3:00:19 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: saleman

Yes, that’s the actual job listing. It is linked from the article.


45 posted on 08/10/2012 4:27:49 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: 9YearLurker

Maybe so - either way, the job description is mostly a load of crap. Entry level people don’t need two page resumes, and entry level jobs don’t need two page descriptions.

I read some job advice column a while back about mistakes people make on resumes and cover letters. One of them was that the candidate matched the requirements too closely. Huh? The hiring manger said “there’s nobody out there like that.”

Then why did you say that’s what you were looking for?


46 posted on 08/10/2012 4:33:12 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Macoozie

Sounds like a sh*tjob. Walmart would be a better alternative than that job she can’t fill.


47 posted on 08/10/2012 4:53:11 PM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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To: PhatHead

I agree.


48 posted on 08/10/2012 4:54:33 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Gettin Betta

Did they all have cover letters?


49 posted on 08/10/2012 4:58:57 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Gettin Betta

I would have applied for it. I am in an IT tech job (contract) that doesn’t pay much more than that but it is a fairly good place. If I make my tour and assuming other things hold, a perm job pays a bit better.

If not, it isn’t bad for me as it stands now.


50 posted on 08/10/2012 5:28:00 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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